"Metal IV" Challenge Results Recalculated

Sigma 24-35mm f/2 DG HSM A

03/20/2023 10:42:23 PM · #1

The former Blue Ribbon image in the "Metal IV" challenge has been disqualified for failing to follow the rules governing the use of "artwork" in a challenge submission. Congrats to our new ribboner and HM.

Please note that this was a much-discussed DQ within SC: It was not a unanimous decision, but a solid majority voted to DQ. It is clear that we need to tweak the rule a little to make it do what we want it to do. Because one member of SC had, in fact, advised the photographer that he thought the usage was "legal", we have agreed to make this a "no-penalty" DQ; that is to say, should the photographer suffer another DQ in the relevant time frame, it will not require a suspension.

dmadden

Canon EOS-40D

03/21/2023 10:22:51 AM · #2

Yes it's kinda confusing looking at others such as this image. and a couple others.

However being a no penalty DQ and my originally suggesting it be removed. Can the entire submission be removed???

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

03/21/2023 11:32:10 AM · #3

Originally posted by dmadden:

Yes it's kinda confusing looking at others such as this image. and a couple others.

However being a no penalty DQ and my originally suggesting it be removed. Can the entire submission be removed???

The key is this:

Originally posted by Common Editing Rules:

"You may include existing artwork in your entry, but photo-realistic artwork such as printed photos, monitor images or realistic illustrations must either be clearly presented as artwork or used only as a minor supporting element."

By a split decision, your BG sun/sky wasn't obviously enough artwork to be allowed.

We will leave the image as it is (i.e. not remove it) so it's accessible for learning purposes.

Message edited by author 2023-03-21 11:33:27.

LevT

Olympus OM-1

03/21/2023 11:39:43 AM · #4

Yeah, it's a tricky one. On one hand, it was more-less obvious that the background was not real but projected somehow. On the other, it is not an art object inside your photo but an image used to create a composition, and I'm guessing if it were an extended rules challenge, SC would probably want a proof that that background image was taken by the author within the allotted time frame. It is quite different from the example with a magazine cover posteed by the author. There the magazine is shot as a magasine, it does not "simulate" anything else. In this photo,the background monitor image is used to simulate the real moon. I think the rule as written makes this distinction pretty clear.

posthumous

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

03/21/2023 11:40:52 AM · #5

I agree with the decision because if you had approved this image, it would pave the way for those godawful wine glasses in front of a computer monitor images that used to hog the front page.

dmadden

Canon EOS-40D

Sigma 24-35mm f/2 DG HSM A

03/21/2023 12:11:06 PM · #6

Originally posted by LevT:

The magazine used to simulate a replacement of the models face I'd say becomes the primary 'focus', of that submission and its foreground. The magazine cover is the first thing a viewer sees. Mine would be the reverse with the moon in background.

Pentax DA 18-135mm F3.5-5.6ED AL [IF] WR DC

03/21/2023 03:26:43 PM · #7

Originally posted by dmadden:

Yes, but the rule says "must be clearly presented as artwork" OR "used as a minor supporting element". Our issue with your submission is that in your case the moon is more than a minor supporting element AND it's not "clearly presented as" artwork. It was a tough call.

In the other image, the magazine cover is obviously artwork, just like a billboard would be if you photographed it in its context.

Message edited by author 2023-03-21 15:27:42.

tnun

Ricoh GR III

03/21/2023 03:53:22 PM · #8

Originally posted by posthumous:

I agree with the decision because if you had approved this image, it would pave the way for those godawful wine glasses in front of a computer monitor images that used to hog the front page.

I would like some artwork here to illustrate your point.