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02/27/2022 09:06:14 AM · #1
Sadly, the former 3rd-place image in "Art of 2021" has been disqualified. The background images were shot out-of-gamut in 2015. The photographer thought of them as "textures", but because the BG was utterly obliterated by these images they cannot be considered such. It would have been OK to use similar cloud images in that way if they HAD been shot in 2021, FWIW.

Congrats to our new ribboner and HM.
02/28/2022 04:40:09 AM · #2
Truly, I am angry about this. If you paint the BG out with a brush I was told that's OK. So I could have painted the BG and THEN put the clouds on and that would be OK ... You will see a LOT of painted pictures from me ... just to make sure there is no problem ... its ridiculous. In any case, how do you then know that the BG was painted first?
Here I painted the BG with a brush then I finished as before with the cloud as an overlay (note, I didn't do all the steps from the original, there were several that I made on merged layers) . Vs the original:
02/28/2022 09:14:40 AM · #3
I think the reason is more that your photo was from 2015
02/28/2022 09:46:28 AM · #4
Originally posted by kasaba:

Truly, I am angry about this. If you paint the BG out with a brush I was told that's OK. So I could have painted the BG and THEN put the clouds on and that would be OK ... You will see a LOT of painted pictures from me ... just to make sure there is no problem ... its ridiculous. In any case, how do you then know that the BG was painted first?
Here I painted the BG with a brush then I finished as before with the cloud as an overlay (note, I didn't do all the steps from the original, there were several that I made on merged layers) . Vs the original:

When you spoke with me about this I misunderstood what you were saying. In no case could you have used the clouds in this challenge because it was not an archival challenge and the clouds were shot in 2015. I understood you to be asking me if it would have been allowable to simply obliterate the background with a brush and the answer to that is "yes". It might be helpful to this discussion, since you are airing it in public, to show folks what the ORIGINAL looked like, OK?
02/28/2022 05:39:14 PM · #5
kasaba Robert is right, it would help a lot if you posted you original and also the cloud image in question as it was superimposed on your image. If indeed the overall arrangement of bright and dark spots in the BG resembles the original, and does not resemble the cloud formation, then I would certainly side with you that clouds acted as a texture, and would be legal even though it was from a 2015 image.
02/28/2022 08:12:26 PM · #6
Originally posted by LevT:

kasaba Robert is right, it would help a lot if you posted you original and also the cloud image in question as it was superimposed on your image. If indeed the overall arrangement of bright and dark spots in the BG resembles the original, and does not resemble the cloud formation, then I would certainly side with you that clouds acted as a texture, and would be legal even though it was from a 2015 image.

Textures are an overlay enhancement, not a wholesale image insert.
02/28/2022 08:29:52 PM · #7
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by LevT:

kasaba Robert is right, it would help a lot if you posted you original and also the cloud image in question as it was superimposed on your image. If indeed the overall arrangement of bright and dark spots in the BG resembles the original, and does not resemble the cloud formation, then I would certainly side with you that clouds acted as a texture, and would be legal even though it was from a 2015 image.

Textures are an overlay enhancement, not a wholesale image insert.
I agree, that's why I wanted to see how it was used.
03/01/2022 05:13:08 AM · #8
Originally posted by JulietNN:

I think the reason is more that your photo was from 2015

The rodeo rider is from last year.
Only the cloud image, which to "me" is a texture, was from 2015
03/01/2022 05:42:29 AM · #9
Thank you all for engaging in this.
This was the original:

According to Extended rules, I can change and add and subtract as I please.
Here I painted in the background (after my original was DQed, I just want to know for future that this is OK). There were about 4 layers with different brushes, motion blur and gaussian blur added.
My first question: For extended editing, this is OK - correct?


I then, for the sake of this argument, used my clouds as a texture - texture images can be added even in Standard editing, correct? And are not part of the rules and regulations, correct? ("use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules")

And now I want to know, what makes this any different from the image that was DQed?


And for the record, maybe I must add that most of the coloring and overall blur of the BG was NOT from the clouds, but from a filter I used as part of my post processing, which was Topaz Impression (O'Keefe),


Message edited by author 2022-03-01 05:42:58.
03/01/2022 07:10:55 AM · #10
It was a photo from 2015 and is a photo of clouds not a texture but the biggest thing, it was a photo from 2015.....for a challenge that was due in 2022.

Amazing skills though to get all that background out, I am impressed , it is a great photo.
03/01/2022 09:56:25 AM · #11
Gaby, here's the processing notes you gave us:

"I cut out the rodeo rider and the sand.
Used my cloud image as texture overlay Used the other clouds with gaussian blur to create the "dust clouds".
Lots of adjustment layers and touching up, some use of dust brushes, some soft light gradient overlays."


So, speaking of THIS entry, AS SUBMITTED, that's a DQ. By your own description, you used the cloud images to replace the very busy BG, and the cloud images were not shot in 2021. We should all be clear on that.

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Now, as to your further question/discussion, had you submitted the second image in your list as shown, based on how you said you achieved it it would have been legal, yes. But it is difficult to see how you achieved that particular distribution of light/dark tones by blurring the original BG, and it's curious that this tonal distribution so closely matches what you achieved by working on the overlaid cloud originals in the actual submission. Something's not adding up here or I am missing something...

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Still, speaking of the DQ, it will stand. Out-of-gamut images were used to create the cloudy BG.
03/01/2022 01:58:47 PM · #12
Originally posted by Bear_Music:


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Now, as to your further question/discussion, had you submitted the second image in your list as shown, based on how you said you achieved it it would have been legal, yes. But it is difficult to see how you achieved that particular distribution of light/dark tones by blurring the original BG, and it's curious that this tonal distribution so closely matches what you achieved by working on the overlaid cloud originals in the actual submission. Something's not adding up here or I am missing something...

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Still, speaking of the DQ, it will stand. Out-of-gamut images were used to create the cloudy BG.


To clarify - I compete in far too many disciplines to "challenge" a judge's call. I did not start this thread to try and change the DQ. What I am trying to avoid is a future DQ for the same/similar thing. So, we are clear, I can "brush to my heart's content".
And yes, I did voice "my opinion" what I thought of the DQ decision but I think I am allowed to do so.

I work for days on my extended entries. I often have "many" (more than 10) images that I save as jpg in the process which I may return to and/or incorporate again in the last steps because I liked some particular aspect of it, but not others.
On the Rodeo rider I had "only" 8 jpeg versions (plus the original), the PS had 29 layers, incl the Topaz Impression, which is a major edit in itself (I don't use what Topaz gives me, I adjust it as well). To explain all that in the "edit" notes is just too laborious, and quite frankly I don't think I remember most of the time. Maybe it would be better to do a "PSD transfer" via one of the large file transfer platforms.

I subscribe to Tara Lesher (https://www.taralesher.com/), I find her use of gradient adjustments and general color adjustments "magical". If you know what you are doing (and I am faaaaar away of that), you can play beautifully changing and adjusting colors in Camera Raw and PS.

03/01/2022 02:17:56 PM · #13
[quote=Bear_Music]

But it is difficult to see how you achieved that particular distribution of light/dark tones by blurring the original BG,

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To clarify Robert. I never said I blurred the ORIGINAL BG. I created a mask and PAINTED a new BG in with brush strokes, which I blurred etc.
this is not the mask I used for the "new edit" it was one that came out of my original edit for one of the layers.I didn't keep that "new edit". I did it on a very small image, just to prove a point.

I could have also made a layer of "grey" (or any other color) and then added a BG that I painted in.

One last time - is that OK in extended edits?

03/01/2022 09:49:51 PM · #14
Originally posted by kasaba:

One last time - is that OK in extended edits?

As I said in my last post, yes. Your only "crime" was using in the composite images not-from-2021 that we felt were not used as "overlays"...
03/02/2022 02:44:27 AM · #15
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by kasaba:

One last time - is that OK in extended edits?

As I said in my last post, yes. Your only "crime" was using in the composite images not-from-2021 that we felt were not used as "overlays"...


Perfect, thank you, moving on :-)
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