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02/22/2022 01:16:51 PM · #1 |
I have to say that I am scared, very scared. Millions of innocent people could die. My parents were from a town called Medenice near Lwow (Lviv in Ukrainian). This was Poland before the second world war.
Are we going to have a third one? |
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02/22/2022 05:43:25 PM · #2 |
| Scary indeed! If we have a third world war it might just be the last one. How can a war proceed without resorting to all resources? Madmen and megalomaniacs with itchy trigger fingers are not likely to hold back. |
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02/22/2022 07:54:23 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955):
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. |
Message edited by author 2022-02-22 19:56:36. |
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02/22/2022 08:16:25 PM · #4 |
| My maternal grandmother came from Kiev (Kyiv) and was always referred to as Russian. So I Googled it and Kiev was ceded to Russia only in 1667. From 1921 the city was part of the Soviet Union, since 1934 as a capital of Soviet Ukraine. It now remains the capital of Ukraine, independent since 1991 following the dissolution of the Soviet Union. So yes, my grandmother would be considered Russian. |
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02/22/2022 08:43:58 PM · #5 |
| Lwow belonged to Poland since 1434 till 1945, should Poland get it back? |
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02/22/2022 09:39:13 PM · #6 |
| I heard a report the other day from a historian which suggested if you look far back enough Russia once "belonged" to Ukraine ... |
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02/23/2022 11:31:50 PM · #7 |
And the war has started, after the repeat of "Spanish flu", we have now repeat of "Hitler". Like the invasion of Poland in 1939 resulted in declarations of war from other countries but no action, Ukraine will be left alone and thousands will die, the new Hitler won't be stopped and will continue his march to form an new empire on the pretext of making space for his nation.
It makes me horrified and very sad about the human race.
And more is happening to seriously fear that democracy is dead.
I wish I were exaggerating and this was just a bad dream. |
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02/24/2022 12:46:02 AM · #8 |
I hear you Margaret and wish it were not so.
I could add…. The parallels are indeed striking.
Message edited by author 2022-02-24 00:47:39. |
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02/24/2022 12:55:43 AM · #9 |
Horrible and heartbreaking. Actually, this is more like 1938, anschluss of Austria and Czechoslovakia. But make no mistake, if/when Ukraine falls, Baltic countries and Poland will be in Putin's crosshairs next, and then what? I am so ashamed for my former country. I know for a fact that a lot if people there are as outraged by this aggression as we are, but unfortunately they have no voice now... it is a brutal dictatorship, has been for a while now.
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02/24/2022 04:54:05 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by LevT:
Horrible and heartbreaking. Actually, this is more like 1938, anschluss of Austria and Czechoslovakia. But make no mistake, if/when Ukraine falls, Baltic countries and Poland will be in Putin's crosshairs next, and then what? I am so ashamed for my former country. I know for a fact that a lot if people there are as outraged by this aggression as we are, but unfortunately they have no voice now... it is a brutal dictatorship, has been for a while now. |
That is exactly how I see it - HORRIFYING, that this can happen in the 21st century, after "all the lessons we learned" from Hitler. This is mind boggling. That man (Putin) does as he pleases and NOBODY seems to be strong enough or willing to stand in his way. And what is more scary, if someone would, it would be total bloodshed. It's like SciFi, only real |
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02/24/2022 08:30:02 AM · #11 |
| I never thought I'd see this in my lifetime. |
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02/24/2022 08:31:31 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by DonaldTrump:
That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen, ... There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re going to keep peace, all right. |
Why is everyone worried?
It's a peacekeeping mission!
Message edited by author 2022-02-24 08:31:50. |
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02/24/2022 08:37:33 AM · #13 |
I fear for democracy, as well. I never thought I'd see Russia invading. I never thought I'd see a former president of ours praising a leader who the next day invaded a country. I never thought I'd distrust everything. My first reaction was to try to find BBC or other international news instead of just U.S. news.
The last couple of years should have been so different. It should have been a world coming together to solve world problems. Not to have torn everyone apart. |
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02/24/2022 08:49:06 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
The last couple of years should have been so different. It should have been a world coming together to solve world problems. Not to have torn everyone apart. |
It was obvious where this was going once Trump was elected. Unfortunately he was never the cause, but simply the catalyst. As an outsider who lives so close to the US I keep well informed on the political leanings it was only a matter of time. The same was happening in other countries, but you could see the GOP becoming more nationalist with xenophobic tendencies.
Even worse is there are now a number of house and senate GOP members who don't care about the situation in Ukraine. They're more worried about the Southern border. Essentially Ukraine is too far away for them to give a shit.
Originally posted by TuckerCarlson:
As an American, what’s in this for me and my neighbors and the rest of us? And all I’m getting is that we can feel morally satisfied because we hate Putin |
Doesn't help when the above quote is said on the most watched show on cable television. The rest of the Fox News stooges were saying similar statements. |
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02/24/2022 09:35:21 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by vawendy:
The last couple of years should have been so different. It should have been a world coming together to solve world problems. Not to have torn everyone apart. |
It was obvious where this was going once Trump was elected. Unfortunately he was never the cause, but simply the catalyst. As an outsider who lives so close to the US I keep well informed on the political leanings it was only a matter of time. The same was happening in other countries, but you could see the GOP becoming more nationalist with xenophobic tendencies.
Even worse is there are now a number of house and senate GOP members who don't care about the situation in Ukraine. They're more worried about the Southern border. Essentially Ukraine is too far away for them to give a shit.
Originally posted by TuckerCarlson:
As an American, what’s in this for me and my neighbors and the rest of us? And all I’m getting is that we can feel morally satisfied because we hate Putin |
Doesn't help when the above quote is said on the most watched show on cable television. The rest of the Fox News stooges were saying similar statements. |
I am very curious to know what other countries think and how their news is covering it. I understand mothers not wanting to send their sons to a war in another country. But in my mind, that's like not trying to put a fire out in the neighbors yard. It can very quickly spread, you should help your neighbor, and you may need their help one day.
It should have been stopped before it got to this point, though. How do you move forward now? Either the world lets it happen -- which is a horrible, horrible thing. Or there are more lives lost because nothing was done to stop it in the beginning.
This is a question -- not a statement. What's going to happen now?
Plus, we're seeing yet another type of warfare. Not only actual, but cyber, as well. Russia has gotten extremely good at cyber attacks. And they'll be getting even more practice with this invasion, and belarus and georgia, etc. |
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02/24/2022 10:25:25 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I am very curious to know what other countries think and how their news is covering it. I understand mothers not wanting to send their sons to a war in another country. But in my mind, that's like not trying to put a fire out in the neighbors yard. It can very quickly spread, you should help your neighbor, and you may need their help one day.
It should have been stopped before it got to this point, though. How do you move forward now? Either the world lets it happen -- which is a horrible, horrible thing. Or there are more lives lost because nothing was done to stop it in the beginning.
This is a question -- not a statement. What's going to happen now?
Plus, we're seeing yet another type of warfare. Not only actual, but cyber, as well. Russia has gotten extremely good at cyber attacks. And they'll be getting even more practice with this invasion, and belarus and georgia, etc. |
let's see... what did the USA do when Russia invaded Afghanistan.... checks notes.... boycotted the Olympics.
NATO's going to boycott the Olympics.
What did Russia do when the USA invaded Afghanistan? laugh, I think.
Putin doesn't have the resources of Hitler, but there are similarities:
1. humiliating treaties from past defeats. Germany had the Armistice of 1918. Russia has the collapse of the USSR and the expansion of NATO
2. nations caught off guard because they thought that war was no longer a feasible option.
3. recognizing countries that don't exist combined with false flag operations, in order to disguise an invasion as not an invasion.
Will this blossom into a world war? Is Ukraine like Austria, or is it like Poland? I don't think Ukraine will fold as quickly as the countries Hitler invaded. But what the hell do I know?
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02/24/2022 11:02:48 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I am very curious to know what other countries think and how their news is covering it. I understand mothers not wanting to send their sons to a war in another country. But in my mind, that's like not trying to put a fire out in the neighbors yard. It can very quickly spread, you should help your neighbor, and you may need their help one day.
It should have been stopped before it got to this point, though. How do you move forward now? Either the world lets it happen -- which is a horrible, horrible thing. Or there are more lives lost because nothing was done to stop it in the beginning.
This is a question -- not a statement. What's going to happen now?
Plus, we're seeing yet another type of warfare. Not only actual, but cyber, as well. Russia has gotten extremely good at cyber attacks. And they'll be getting even more practice with this invasion, and belarus and georgia, etc. |
let's see... what did the USA do when Russia invaded Afghanistan.... checks notes.... boycotted the Olympics.
NATO's going to boycott the Olympics.
What did Russia do when the USA invaded Afghanistan? laugh, I think.
Putin doesn't have the resources of Hitler, but there are similarities:
1. humiliating treaties from past defeats. Germany had the Armistice of 1918. Russia has the collapse of the USSR and the expansion of NATO
2. nations caught off guard because they thought that war was no longer a feasible option.
3. recognizing countries that don't exist combined with false flag operations, in order to disguise an invasion as not an invasion.
Will this blossom into a world war? Is Ukraine like Austria, or is it like Poland? I don't think Ukraine will fold as quickly as the countries Hitler invaded. But what the hell do I know? |
Yeah . That’s what I was thinking too. Crap. :( |
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02/24/2022 11:09:05 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
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Will this blossom into a world war? Is Ukraine like Austria, or is it like Poland? I don't think Ukraine will fold as quickly as the countries Hitler invaded. But what the hell do I know? |
The military might of Russia is well ahead of Ukraine's, I think Ukraine should do what Czechoslovakia did in 1938 - capitulate and save lives. They are in no win situation. What happens next, only Putin and his inner circle know. I don't think he would move soon onto Poland being a member of NATO but some NATO strategists think it could be possible and that does mean third world war. Hitler waited a year before invading Poland, will history again repeat? |
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02/24/2022 11:43:56 AM · #19 |
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02/24/2022 01:24:58 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by tnun:
the big guys don't care. |
Most people don't care, Ukraine is too far away.
Anyway, I just thought that the British should reclaim USA! They lost it some time ago but they left a lot of their citizens behind. US was British before, why doesn't Britain take back the USA? It makes sense after Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
Message edited by author 2022-02-24 13:25:31. |
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02/24/2022 01:50:22 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
Originally posted by posthumous:
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Will this blossom into a world war? Is Ukraine like Austria, or is it like Poland? I don't think Ukraine will fold as quickly as the countries Hitler invaded. But what the hell do I know? |
The military might of Russia is well ahead of Ukraine's, I think Ukraine should do what Czechoslovakia did in 1938 - capitulate and save lives. They are in no win situation. What happens next, only Putin and his inner circle know. I don't think he would move soon onto Poland being a member of NATO but some NATO strategists think it could be possible and that does mean third world war. Hitler waited a year before invading Poland, will history again repeat? |
Ukraine's not going to give itself to Russia. The power disparity is not the same as 1938 Czechoslovakia. Of course, Russia is much more powerful then Ukraine. But this is a no win situation for both sides. |
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02/24/2022 01:53:05 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
Originally posted by tnun:
the big guys don't care. |
Most people don't care, Ukraine is too far away.
Anyway, I just thought that the British should reclaim USA! They lost it some time ago but they left a lot of their citizens behind. US was British before, why doesn't Britain take back the USA? It makes sense after Putin's invasion of Ukraine. |
I have a better example
https://observer.com/2016/10/on-alaska-day-russians-still-dream-of-getting-alaska-back/
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02/24/2022 01:57:37 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
Originally posted by tnun:
the big guys don't care. |
Most people don't care, Ukraine is too far away.
Anyway, I just thought that the British should reclaim USA! They lost it some time ago but they left a lot of their citizens behind. US was British before, why doesn't Britain take back the USA? It makes sense after Putin's invasion of Ukraine. |
I have a better example
https://observer.com/2016/10/on-alaska-day-russians-still-dream-of-getting-alaska-back/ |
Good one, they definitely have the case! |
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02/24/2022 03:33:49 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
Originally posted by tnun:
the big guys don't care. |
Most people don't care, Ukraine is too far away.
Anyway, I just thought that the British should reclaim USA! They lost it some time ago but they left a lot of their citizens behind. US was British before, why doesn't Britain take back the USA? It makes sense after Putin's invasion of Ukraine. |
I have a better example
https://observer.com/2016/10/on-alaska-day-russians-still-dream-of-getting-alaska-back/ |
Good one, they definitely have the case! |
I hope we kept the receipt. I wonder if the French will want Greater Louisiana back too ...
ETA: I keep wondering if Putin really wants to be remembered as the idiot who started WW III, assuming there's anybody left to remember anything.
It's almost enough to with the aliens would get here and remove all the borders ...
Message edited by author 2022-02-24 15:36:48. |
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02/24/2022 03:46:22 PM · #25 |
| Putin is a psychopath, he does not care what anybody thinks, he is in the world of his own and we cannot understand it unless we are also psychopaths. |
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