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Canon EF 35mm f/2.0

10/21/2004 05:41:36 AM · #1

This could be interesting.

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Beagleboy

Tokina AF 12-24mm f/4.0 AT-X Pro DX

10/21/2004 06:19:20 AM · #2

I'd rather sit butt naked on a fire ant colony.

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

10/21/2004 06:42:21 AM · #3

Neat site, but I won't give my email address to any site that doesn't have a clear and accessible privacy policy.

-Terry

biohazard

Canon EF 35mm f/2.0

10/21/2004 07:22:48 AM · #4

Thats a good point Terry. Although this is why i have separate mail accounts for anything of this nature.

biohazard

Canon EF 35mm f/2.0

10/21/2004 07:24:50 AM · #5

Originally posted by Beagleboy:

I'd rather sit butt naked on a fire ant colony.

lol, i want to see bush get stuffed, real or not.

10/21/2004 05:26:26 PM · #6

Well of course Europe would prefer a US President that asks whether he should get on his knees or just bend over vs a president who cares more about OUR interests...

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

10/21/2004 05:31:48 PM · #7

Originally posted by Russell2566:

Well of course Europe would prefer a US President that asks whether he should get on his knees or just bend over vs a president who cares more about OUR interests...

About 75 million American's appear to disagree with you on your definition of 'OUR'

Message edited by author 2004-10-21 17:31:54.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

10/21/2004 05:37:04 PM · #8

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by Russell2566:
Well of course Europe would prefer a US President that asks whether he should get on his knees or just bend over vs a president who cares more about OUR interests...

About 75 million American's appear to disagree with you on your definition of 'OUR'

At least.

One could look at it as, since the US has a say in whatever they want to have a say in with other countries, other countries aught to have a say of who runs the US.

Anachronite

Sony DSC-S85

10/21/2004 05:40:50 PM · #9

other countries have no say in who runs this nation... we have a say overseas because we have saved the other nations asses time and time again... I could care less who the other nations think should be president.. those nations are looking out for their interests, not ours... and it is our interests that I find the most important... if your so concerned with the other nations interests, maybe you should renounce your citizenship and go join their side...

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

10/21/2004 05:42:42 PM · #10

madmordegon -- don't think so

Message edited by author 2004-10-21 17:43:28.

myqyl

Nikon D3100

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G DX VR

10/21/2004 05:53:50 PM · #11

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Neat site, but I won't give my email address to any site that doesn't have a clear and accessible privacy policy.

-Terry

That's what I have my misc@e-clark.us addie for :) any site I don't want to hear from gets it... I check it once a week when i'm bored :)

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

10/21/2004 05:59:30 PM · #12

Originally posted by karmat:

madmordegon -- don't think so

Project for a New American Century . //www.newamericancentury.org

ClubJuggle

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

10/21/2004 06:02:35 PM · #13

Originally posted by MadMordegon:

Originally posted by karmat:
madmordegon -- don't think so

Project for a New American Century . //www.newamericancentury.org

Please don't take this the wrong way, but your posts would have more credibility if you made your own points, using the occasional link as a reference source to suppor them if needed. As a reader, when I see dozens of links posted by the same person, I eventually stop clicking them. If the material at the linked site was not important enough for you to summarize coherently (and, even better, offer your OWN insight), why is it important enough for me to click through and read?

-Terry

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

10/21/2004 06:09:26 PM · #14

I think it's widely acknowledged that the currently-constituted USA would still be a colony of Great Britain if not for the intervention of the French, with both arms and expertise. So, how deep does our debt run?

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

10/21/2004 06:11:46 PM · #15

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by MadMordegon:

Originally posted by karmat:
madmordegon -- don't think so

Project for a New American Century . //www.newamericancentury.org

Please don't take this the wrong way, but your posts would have more credibility if you made your own points, using the occasional link as a reference source to suppor them if needed. As a reader, when I see dozens of links posted by the same person, I eventually stop clicking them. If the material at the linked site was not important enough for you to summarize coherently (and, even better, offer your OWN insight), why is it important enough for me to click through and read?

-Terry

I assume his point is, that these are the people currently running your country. They essentially believe the US has to take a stronger role in leading the world, with an increased, permanent military presence around the world and a more militant doctorine of pre-emptive action.

Or put it another way, if your current administration's stated aim is to run the world, shouldn't the rest of the world have a say in it ? I'm not saying that they should, but I wonder how many voters for them, really have paid much attention to the publications of the PNAC. The project for the New American Century isn't some fringe wacko group - they are the majority of the current administration.

The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle; and that too few political leaders today are making the case for global leadership.

Message edited by author 2004-10-21 18:12:53.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

10/21/2004 06:22:12 PM · #16

Thank you Gordon. That was more or less, exactly what I was trying to point out.

The reason I often put links down instead of my opinion is because of those on here who like to trash me and my opinion in calling me a loony left, crazy liberal or whatever other catch fraises they use.

In posting those links I had hoped most people would get what Gordon got, which was my message.

If the SC would do better in controlling the personal insults and overall degrading and demeaning commentary that often gets shot in my way and others with similar opinions as me, we would be able to speak our own words with more credibility.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

10/21/2004 06:42:17 PM · #17

... You have to admire people ... It takes a certain amount of courage to get up in a coffee house or a college auditorium and come out in favor of the things that everybody else in the audience is against, like peace and justice and brotherhood and so on ...
Tom Lehrer, Introduction to The Folk Song Army (1965)

Message edited by author 2004-10-21 18:42:35.

bdobe

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

10/21/2004 06:44:33 PM · #18

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Ha, GenralE, you beat me to the punch -- unfortunately too many of us, Americans, don't even remember our grammar school history lessons, and yet offer empty statements like:

Originally posted by Anachronite:

we have a say overseas because we have saved the other nations asses time and time again...

Such statements are clearly uninformed and misguided.

LoudDog

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM

10/21/2004 07:28:35 PM · #19

Don't forget that since france saved our ass, we saved their ass and spilled a lot of blood doing so. I think the debt is paid. We don't owe France anything.

10/21/2004 08:28:57 PM · #20

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Ya, but in typical french style they didn't show up to help untill they knew we were going to win anyway...

How about the United States in more relevant events, such as WWI, WWII, Vietnam. Vietname you say? Ya thats right...

I bet almost none of you even know that france really started the Vietnam war did you? And that we were there cleaning up their fucking mess at first. All because they wanted to take over Vietnam. Shit the first American killed in Vietnam was only killed because he was mistaken as a Frenchmen...

On my honeymoon in the carribean, I learned from locals exactly how hypicritical France is. Shit some of those islands have been passed back and forth from French to Dutch control dozens of times. Here we are liberating entire countries while they call us an occupying forces, yet they ARE actualy doing it...

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L USM

10/21/2004 08:35:17 PM · #21

On October 17th General John Burgoyne surrendered an entire British Army to the colonials. News of the surrender arrived in Paris hard on the heels of news that colonial troops had caused supposedly invincible British regulars to flee in disarray in the early stages of the Battle of Germantown. Convinced by Benjamin Franklin and the news from North America that the Colonials had a good chance of victory, the French agreed to support the colonists.

Anachronite

Sony DSC-S85

10/21/2004 10:08:18 PM · #22

Originally posted by louddog:

Don't forget that since france saved our ass, we saved their ass and spilled a lot of blood doing so. I think the debt is paid. We don't owe France anything.

France didn;t save our asses. Most historians agree while they did help the revolutionary war, we would have eventually won it without them... and they by no means were acting out of benevolence.. they were here simply to spite the british.. and for no other reason

jimmythefish

Canon EOS-10D

10/21/2004 10:32:14 PM · #23

Well, you only entered WWII after your own country was attacked and the war spread beyond European borders. Up until then commonly held opinion in the US was that it was a European issue for Europeans. Canadians had a significant role in both WWI and WWII, as well as Australians and other industrialised nations, so to argue that there was something special about American action is incorrect. Furthermore, France was strategic, so it could be argued that the liberation of France was incidental to the goal of defeating the Axis nations, an Allied rather than an American-only effort. In terms of suffering for the war, Britain, for example, was gutted heart and soul for the sake of winning that war, and arguably still hasn't recovered. Similarly, while Canadians liberated Holland it wasn't a benevolent action. Was there anything special about Holland? Do we really like gouda and wooden shoes? No...it was strategic.

Originally posted by Anachronite:

Originally posted by louddog:
Don't forget that since france saved our ass, we saved their ass and spilled a lot of blood doing so. I think the debt is paid. We don't owe France anything.

France didn;t save our asses. Most historians agree while they did help the revolutionary war, we would have eventually won it without them... and they by no means were acting out of benevolence.. they were here simply to spite the british.. and for no other reason

Message edited by author 2004-10-21 22:39:30.

10/21/2004 10:50:07 PM · #24

Actualy, we had entered the war much sooner than that, but it was by means of sending weapons, food and supplies... TONS of it...

Yes we waited too long, and you know what, with another democratic presidend in office, we would wait too long again. Just think about how the war and the world today would be different if we didn't wait to be forced into war? For too long the rest of the world has found EVERY action fo the United States unacceptable.

I don't care if the world likes us, but I'd like some f**king respect, god knows we deserve it just as much or more than every other country.

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