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11/10/2016 02:06:30 PM · #1 |
I think it's time to replace my 30" Dell monitor, a DELL3007WFPHC (2560x1600@60Hz). It has been a good monitor but it's very old now, and I suspect very inefficient relative to newer models. It also has some weird burn-in (almost like a stain rather than burn in) on the left side).
I usually have a two monitor setup. I am running to the left of the Dell a NEC P221W (1680x1050@59Hz) true color monitor which has it's own colorimeter (basically an i1, same as my generic i1 but with software specific to NEC).
This is tempting though...a one monitor solution: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1279018-REG/lg_38uc99_w_37_5_21_9_wqhd.html/prm/alsVwDtl
However, one feature I use in LR is to show the full version on the second monitor when I'm in library mode...sort of a REAL blow up of the tile. I don't know how that would work there.
I think I'd be happy enough with anything 27" and higher. Perhaps 28 or 29 would be better...but 27 might be ok. I didn't realize my NEC is only 22" and it doesn't seem super small to me.
Ideas, suggestions? I need lots of screen real estate not only for photography but for programming. Accurate colors for photography...easy to read text for programming (as I get older I find myself using the zoom feature a lot with enlarged text). No games, though I do watch Netflix movies sometimes at night on one monitor while I edit photos on the other.
I think somewhere between $500 and $1500 is ok. I need reliability too, and since it's no doubt going to be ordered via mail order, a brand with decent QC.
Message edited by author 2016-11-10 14:37:51. |
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11/10/2016 10:49:30 PM · #2 |
Neil, I can tell you that what I'm looking at for my next monitor is definitely going to be 4k resolution, and I've been impressed with what Dell is delivering as far as value in that area. I think the 27" size is the sweet spot for price/performance, with 30" still much more expensive with not that much additional real estate.
4k on a 27" monitor will result in a relatively fine pixel pitch, and that in turn will make it necessary for us old folks to ensure we are viewing with the proper, ahem, visual aids and at the correct distances to ensure we see all the detail available.
I know you do tend to run very capable hardware, but do look at your video card's capability to make sure you have the hardware to properly drive a 4k monitor.
The monitor you linked to seems like a very nice product, but personally I would choose to stick with something with a larger vertical resolution. One interesting choice might be the Dell 3216Q. Gets pretty good reviews, but I did see one review that noted it did not meet the specified color gamut (don't know if I trust the reviewer's results, it was just a buyer's review on BH).
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11/11/2016 05:55:01 PM · #3 |
Thanks...that looks like a good monitor.
Both monitors are tempting for different reasons. I'm going to write up here, to help my decision process.
For me, screen real-estate is the prime objective. For multitasking, for big spreadsheets with lots of columns, etc. Tall is important too for programming and reading, and portrait format photography (and I do have a lot of that).
Form factor Advantages of the Dell: More vertical resolution (500 px or so), similar format to my current monitor, seem like good color
Form factor Advantages of the LG: no gap between my monitors, no having to move the mouse to the middle to cross monitors (you can't cross from a higher to a lower res monitor unless you're in the common zone), very wide for spreadsheets
Some trepidations:
Not sure why I need 4K. I don't really edit videos, nor care much to see video in 4K on my computer. Will it enhance editing? Will the higher res, even on a 32" monitor, force me to enlarge the default system fonts?
Not sure if the curve of the LG will sit well with me. Will it negatively impact viewing straight lines in photos, or level horizons, for example?
The counter to the taller is better is that, while I've had a 30" monitor for 14 years or more, I do find the height way below my head (20% above my eyes, 80% below) a bit harder for some uses.
The LG has more modern connectivity, including USB 3.1 C connectors.
The Dell is on sale now for $400 off. I can't tell how long that will last. Makes me tempted to order. Especially given my new computer arrives on Monday!
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11/11/2016 07:15:59 PM · #4 |
In response to a couple of your questions:
- For photo editing, 4k is going to be a blessing, no doubt about it. You'll be viewing even very large files at 50% or more of native resolution, and the screen will look sharper because of the reduced pixel pitch.
- You may or may not need to adjust screen fonts; I would believe that Win10 should do a good job with scaling reasonably; some apps, however, may not be as tractable if they are not designed with higher resolution displays in mind.
- I wouldn't be sure of the curve either. I tend to regard it as more of a marketing gimmick than a real feature. That said, it may make more sense on a computer monitor where you are always viewing from the sweet spot near the center of the radius of curvature.
- I really can't stand the idea of "looking through a slot." These really wide monitors seem tailored to cinema, and not to general work. I want more vertical screen real estate.
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12/05/2016 04:48:21 AM · #5 |
good post sir
Message edited by author 2016-12-05 04:48:40.
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12/05/2016 09:24:36 AM · #6 |
Kinda glad this thread got bumped. By coincidence, I recently found myself in the position of having to replace a laptop quickly, and settled on a model that I knew had an IPS screen that I *thought* was 1080P, but in fact it turned out to be 4k. All I have to say is, oooooh yeh! It calibrated pretty nicely with my X-Rite i1 Display Pro. Even thought it is white LED backlit, color accuracy seems pretty good. I'm sure that gamut is not all that, but It really is a joy to edit on. And it's only 15.6 inches diagonal...
Edit to add:
Now I'm really wanting to update the monitor on my desktop to a 30" 4k model. Well, that will have to wait until some time in 2017.
Message edited by author 2016-12-05 09:33:40. |
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12/05/2016 09:49:59 AM · #7 |
I still haven't pulled the trigger on anything.
The Dell you recommended is my top choice though. I'm still kind of wary about getting everything enlarged to a size I can work with. I have enough trouble reading these days with my 2500x1600 30" monitor. I battle between small fonts to put as much on screen as possible for programming, and actually being able to read things comfortably. Heck, sometimes I make things large enough that I wonder if I'm going blind.
Also, then I have to figure out a good use of my current 30" Dell. I may just stay with it. I bought a Spyder5 Pro when it was on sale for $89 at Amazon. I have the i1 Display Pro (two of them actually because my NEC monitor came with one which only works with it). But I never found it did a good job of getting the two monitors to match. The Spyder seems to work better and the counterweight system is much more intelligent.
And today is the first day where I am working on my new computer. It was somewhat of an adventure getting it. I'll have to write about it later. |
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12/05/2016 01:10:48 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Neil:
I have the i1 Display Pro (two of them actually because my NEC monitor came with one which only works with it). But I never found it did a good job of getting the two monitors to match. The Spyder seems to work better and the counterweight system is much more intelligent. |
Interesting. I'm not really worrying about matching across multiple monitors at this point, though I will look at how close the laptop and desktop are in the near future. My gut says they are reasonably close, but the desktop is a 10-bit display, and pretty sure the laptop is not, though I could be wrong. One thing that has come to light recently during some of my research is that some monitors that claim 10-bit are actually implementing chroma subsampling to reduce the data rate, at least over some connection types. Something to be aware of.
Originally posted by Neil:
And today is the first day where I am working on my new computer. It was somewhat of an adventure getting it. I'll have to write about it later. |
I'd like to hear that story! Here's a little more elaboration on the laptop saga:
My trusty old Toshiba A665 suddenly kicked the bucket on a Friday, I was leaving on a trip on Monday. My choices were to either do the trip with out a laptop, or replace the laptop with something I could buy locally. I hit the local Best Buy with a smart phone in hand; one of the machines they had on display was the top-end version of the Lenovo Yoga 710 with an i7-7500U processor, 16GB of RAM, discrete graphics, a 256GB SSD and the 4k IPS monitor (that I erroneously thought was 1080P). The Best Buy price was, oddly, very competitive so I just pulled the trigger on the spot. So far, I've been very happy with the machine. It is not really a true "workstation replacement" laptop, but is powerful enough to easily run Ps and Lr, and will do so with battery life exceeding 5 hours. It's also pretty thin and light and has a 10-point multi-touch screen as side benefits. Biggest downside is lack of ports, but that's not really an issue for me, there is enough connectivity for what I need to do. The CPU is an interesting one; it is i7, but the 7500U is only a 2-core chip running at 2.7GHz with TDP of only 15W. I ran Passmark benchmarks on it, and it came up around 5200. That's about 43% of the compute power of my i7-6700K desktop (4 cores, 4GHz, 95W TDP) at only 16% of the power, a very impressive performance.
Message edited by author 2016-12-05 13:11:09. |
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12/08/2016 08:27:09 AM · #9 |
| I've heard excellent things about Asus monitors, also Samsung. |
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02/08/2017 02:08:48 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by aldin:
I've heard excellent things about Asus monitors, also Samsung. |
i'm bth hands for Asus monitors |
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