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12/05/2015 11:08:47 AM · #1
I know nothing about these things other than my head starts to hurt after trying to research them.

There seem to be two schools of thought.....those who want to do everything they could before, only smaller....

Those who want to simplify. That would be me. I use my fifteen pound D810 w/28/300 & battery grip now.

As far as a general decent walkaround unit, could whomever is willing to take a look at this unit & tell me if they think it would be good for me.

Nikon 1 J5 Mirrorless w/10-100 Lens

TIA...

12/05/2015 11:21:35 AM · #2
no viewfinder
no hotshoe

why not an oly OM-D E-M5 II
12/05/2015 11:52:15 AM · #3
Originally posted by Tiberius:

no viewfinder

Yah.....that's a deal-breaker. Live View makes me seasick.
Originally posted by Tiberius:

no hotshoe

Don't care.......don't use flash. Ever. I hate it.
Originally posted by Tiberius:

why not an oly OM-D E-M5 II

'Cause the body alone costs as much as the N1 w/10-100 lens.

I do NOT want to spend DSLR money for what will be an occasional camera. I may be on the wrong path anyway.

Can I get a decent mirrorless with some kinf of 25-125/200 range zoom for under a grand that will be decent & shoot RAW?
12/05/2015 11:59:28 AM · #4
Sony a6000. Has a hot shoe, has a mirror, and with an adapter it can use your Nikon lenses. Pretty much the same sensor as a D7100. Love mine, and they're running some killer deals with the successor apparently around the corner.



Message edited by author 2015-12-05 12:00:42.
12/05/2015 12:18:10 PM · #5
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:

Sony a6000. Has a hot shoe, has a mirror, and with an adapter it can use your Nikon lenses. Pretty much the same sensor as a D7100. Love mine, and they're running some killer deals with the successor apparently around the corner.

Looks like I'm going to be a PITA to help with this......

Sony f*cked me royally on stereo equipment some years back. Plus, I got it from them again during the days of their PS2 debacle. I have heard that their customer service is still pretty bad. I will not buy Sony again.
12/05/2015 12:24:03 PM · #6
Originally posted by NikonJeb:



I do NOT want to spend DSLR money for what will be an occasional camera. I may be on the wrong path anyway.

... & shoot RAW?


that is why I ended buying the LX100. the zoom is limited though..

Message edited by author 2015-12-05 12:24:48.
12/05/2015 12:49:47 PM · #7
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:

Sony a6000. Has a hot shoe, has a mirror, and with an adapter it can use your Nikon lenses. Pretty much the same sensor as a D7100. Love mine, and they're running some killer deals with the successor apparently around the corner.


+1

I have one and that is a super cheap great camera! You can choose to buy vintage lenses as well (there's plenty of them out there). Super small and the kit lens (16-50) you risk to forget it somewhere since both are VERY small. Sony has the most advanced system (Sony is the only one - if we don't consider the super expensive Leica - full frame mirrorless system) but Fuji and Olympus have great cameras. IMO the best deal is A6000, no doubt. If you want to go full frame, all the A7 series is amazing, especially the last ones, A7RII and A7SII, but not cheap stuff.
12/05/2015 12:55:48 PM · #8
I am usually using a Micro 4/3 olympus these days. Very convenient size and image quality is better than my Canon DSLR's (50D and Rebel T2i). I can carry in on my bicycle in a handlebar bag, though it won't fit in a jersey pocket. Since you ride motorcycles, you may appreciate the small size for the same reason I do.

I do miss the viewfinder at times, but I'll eventually get a digital one that clips on the hotshoe.
12/05/2015 01:15:52 PM · #9
My main objection to the Nikon 1 series is the tiny sensors they put in them.
12/05/2015 01:20:15 PM · #10
Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

My main objection to the Nikon 1 series is the tiny sensors they put in them.


+100

Only Canon makes crap worse than Nikon mirrorless cameras, even if I've been told that some of those Nikons has a SUPER autofocus.
12/05/2015 01:46:09 PM · #11
Originally posted by Alexkc:

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

My main objection to the Nikon 1 series is the tiny sensors they put in them.


+100

Only Canon makes crap worse than Nikon mirrorless cameras, even if I've been told that some of those Nikons has a SUPER autofocus.


Perhaps someday the "big two" will get their act together on mirroless... sigh.

FWIW, I would take an EOS M3 any day over the Nikon 1 series. The Canon has an APS-C sensor, nearly three times the area of the Nikon. Now, Canon sensors are lagging a bit in technology, but not nearly enough to offset a 3x advantage in area. One thing I gotta give the Nikon is, I love the retro look.
12/05/2015 02:08:46 PM · #12
Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by Alexkc:

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

My main objection to the Nikon 1 series is the tiny sensors they put in them.


+100

Only Canon makes crap worse than Nikon mirrorless cameras, even if I've been told that some of those Nikons has a SUPER autofocus.


Perhaps someday the "big two" will get their act together on mirroless... sigh.

FWIW, I would take an EOS M3 any day over the Nikon 1 series. The Canon has an APS-C sensor, nearly three times the area of the Nikon. Now, Canon sensors are lagging a bit in technology, but not nearly enough to offset a 3x advantage in area. One thing I gotta give the Nikon is, I love the retro look.


I know what you mean. I was just making fun of Canon. I always love bigger sensors, but this EOs M is a real camera without heart, it has no future, while Nikon 1 cameras can be used in specific areas, incredible burst, super autofocus and that sensor crop can be useful in some particular areas of photography. But of course both photography giants NEED better mirrorless systems, no doubt.
12/05/2015 02:22:03 PM · #13
Okay.....so the general consensus is, Nikon/Canon mirrorless, no Oly, yes?
12/05/2015 02:52:36 PM · #14
He Jeb, tell me more about why you're thinking about going mirrorless. Or maybe to put it another way, why you want a walkaround camera. Maybe all you have to do is upgrade your phone. I sense a story.

Message edited by author 2015-12-05 14:53:24.
12/05/2015 03:15:12 PM · #15
I just picked up a used Sony NEX-6. If you don't like Sony and want mirrorless n I would take a good look at the Fuji line.
12/05/2015 03:24:35 PM · #16
Originally posted by Tiberius:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:



I do NOT want to spend DSLR money for what will be an occasional camera. I may be on the wrong path anyway.

... & shoot RAW?


that is why I ended buying the LX100. the zoom is limited though..


if Tib doesn't sell you try this luminous review
12/05/2015 03:42:28 PM · #17
Oly m43 yield same quality as an APSC DSLR - they are pretty impressive. The EM-10 is discounted and sells for $500 with kit lens (real good quality) and you can add a 40-150 zoom (300mm equiv) for another $100. Offers same retro look as the J1 you are considering, even better. With very nice collection of awesome primes to grow into the future, i'd give it serious thought:

//www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1026114-REG/olympus_v207021su000_om_d_e_m10_mirrorless_micro.html

Message edited by author 2015-12-05 15:45:24.
12/05/2015 03:46:28 PM · #18
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

I am usually using a Micro 4/3 olympus these days. Very convenient size and image quality is better than my Canon DSLR's (50D and Rebel T2i). I can carry in on my bicycle in a handlebar bag, though it won't fit in a jersey pocket. Since you ride motorcycles, you may appreciate the small size for the same reason I do.

I do miss the viewfinder at times, but I'll eventually get a digital one that clips on the hotshoe.


Rumor is that the new Olympus PEN cameras will have a built in view finder. Also, some f 1.0 primes on the way. Stay tuned...

OlympusJeb has a nice ring to it.
12/05/2015 03:52:56 PM · #19
BTW the OM-D series from Olympus all have built-in EVFs - and very nice high resolution ones. With the prices of gen 1 OMDs equal to or lower than PEN models, i'd pick it over any PEN.

Message edited by author 2015-12-05 15:53:26.
12/05/2015 04:56:34 PM · #20
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Okay.....so the general consensus is, Nikon/Canon mirrorless, no Oly, yes?


And Sony? :p
12/05/2015 07:18:25 PM · #21
and fuji and panny?
12/06/2015 08:26:02 PM · #22
Jeb, Do you have an ios or android smart phone, and how receptive are you to new tech?
Olympus Air You won't have to carry a traditional camera body.
coupled with: Pany 14-140mm lens
will give you smallness and simplicity with an almost identical focal range of your Nikon setup. While the lens is slow and you lose light gathering going to a 4x smaller sensor it does have optical image stabilization in the lens, just make sure the lens IS is compatible with the Oly Air.
There are 2.8 zooms as well but without the long zoom reach.
12/07/2015 12:23:36 AM · #23
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Oly, yes?

Yes. Maybe go the cheap route like I did? I found mine at a pawn shop for $250, including the 14-45 and 45-150. Will probably buy the 14-150 in the future to give myself a single lens solution.
12/07/2015 04:58:01 AM · #24
Sigh.....lots to absorb. I like the Oly systems. I also seem to be drawn to the EXPENSIVE Oly systems.

I think what I'm going to do is to stifle my hatred for Sony and go for the Sony a6000 w/16-50 Lens.

It's tiny, inexpensive, and everyone and their brother seems to think highly of it. I can move up later.

So.....anybody want a D600 w/28-300VR & a D7000 w/18-200VR & a 12-24 f4?

Keepin' the D810......
12/07/2015 11:45:20 AM · #25
As for Sony a6000 I find it strange that it does not have a touch screen. It makes selecting focus points and navigating menus harder/slower. Also reviewing photos - panning/zooming are natural with a touch screen. EOS M has a great touch screen and so does OLY OMD cameras. I've also heard that the Sony models that have the touch screen does not allow menu navigation via touch - seems like Sony is not embracing this technology whole heartedly...

Message edited by author 2015-12-07 11:45:52.
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