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12/04/2015 05:12:35 PM · #1 |
| Shamekh Bluwi creates cut-out paper figures then photographs them. The results are incredible. I can't help but think there's some sort of photo challenge here... |
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12/04/2015 07:24:56 PM · #2 |
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12/04/2015 07:47:57 PM · #3 |
| very cool but how many of us really possess those kinds of drawing skills? |
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12/04/2015 08:05:39 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
very cool but how many of us really possess those kinds of drawing skills? |
Well, you don't really NEED 'em from a challenge point of view. You can take some art from somewhere else and cut it up, and that would be legal... |
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12/04/2015 09:05:12 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by snaffles:
very cool but how many of us really possess those kinds of drawing skills? |
Well, you don't really NEED 'em from a challenge point of view. You can take some art from somewhere else and cut it up, and that would be legal... |
Yes, exactly! |
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12/04/2015 10:46:41 PM · #6 |
| It would also be cool to do our own if we feel up to it. |
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12/04/2015 11:56:48 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by jomari:
It would also be cool to do our own if we feel up to it. |
You betcha! |
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12/05/2015 06:18:07 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by snaffles:
very cool but how many of us really possess those kinds of drawing skills? |
Well, you don't really NEED 'em from a challenge point of view. You can take some art from somewhere else and cut it up, and that would be legal... |
If we can use others' art then just make sure you set that yellow flag to counteract any violations of this rule...
You may include existing artwork in your entry, but photo-realistic artwork such as printed photos, monitor images or realistic illustrations must either be clearly presented as artwork or used only as a minor supporting element. Using photo-realistic artwork to simulate physical objects or backgrounds that provide the primary impact of an entry will be grounds for disqualification.
...given that the cutout would certainly be providing the "primary impact" of the entry.
And what if you have drawing skills but can't cut for beans?! ;) |
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12/05/2015 06:25:03 AM · #9 |
why stop at this?
lets have straight away a KITCH challenge |
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12/05/2015 03:34:08 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
If we can use others' art then just make sure you set that yellow flag to counteract any violations... |
...and how about getting permission to use said other persons art if not in the public domain. |
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12/06/2015 07:25:56 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by RKT:
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
If we can use others' art then just make sure you set that yellow flag to counteract any violations... |
...and how about getting permission to use said other persons art if not in the public domain. |
While I do not disagree with the spirit of your point, as Richard Prince has shown us time and again it is possible to use others' art in (and even as) your own work when you add to or otherwise modify it. Cutting out portions of it to shoot through would certainly qualify. |
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12/06/2015 09:28:36 AM · #12 |
I read a general confusion here. The title of the post asks us 3 questions and here are my answers:
- is it art? NO - To me, the fashion design idea is pretty good, (we see often printed fabrics with landscapes, animals etc - this time it's more of a blending) but the drawing of these fashion "princesses" is awful and yes kitschy in an involuntary way: this is how this highly popular architect draws.
- craft? YES, since it's requiring manual ability
- photography? NO - at least not in the spirit of DPC.
I disagree strongly with The results are incredible
Personally I see no point in imitating this as is.
We already use in our photography similar technique. Let's leave good fashion drawings for the professionals |
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12/06/2015 12:31:24 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by snaffles:
very cool but how many of us really possess those kinds of drawing skills? |
Well, you don't really NEED 'em from a challenge point of view. You can take some art from somewhere else and cut it up, and that would be legal... |
If we can use others' art then just make sure you set that yellow flag to counteract any violations of this rule...
"You may include existing artwork in your entry, but photo-realistic artwork such as printed photos, monitor images or realistic illustrations must either be clearly presented as artwork or used only as a minor supporting element. Using photo-realistic artwork to simulate physical objects or backgrounds that provide the primary impact of an entry will be grounds for disqualification."
...given that the cutout would certainly be providing the "primary impact" of the entry. |
This is a misunderstanding of the "primary impact" portion of the rule: it modifies "to simulate physical objects", which phrase itself is connected to "photo-realistic artwork". In other words, if it's obviously a drawing the rule doesn't apply. If it's cut full of holes, the rule doesn't apply. The rule only applies to the extent that the entrant is attempting to fool us into thinking that a previously-created work (usually a photograph) is the actual current work of the photographer. |
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12/06/2015 06:07:58 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by snaffles:
very cool but how many of us really possess those kinds of drawing skills? |
Well, you don't really NEED 'em from a challenge point of view. You can take some art from somewhere else and cut it up, and that would be legal... |
If we can use others' art then just make sure you set that yellow flag to counteract any violations of this rule...
"You may include existing artwork in your entry, but photo-realistic artwork such as printed photos, monitor images or realistic illustrations must either be clearly presented as artwork or used only as a minor supporting element. Using photo-realistic artwork to simulate physical objects or backgrounds that provide the primary impact of an entry will be grounds for disqualification."
...given that the cutout would certainly be providing the "primary impact" of the entry. |
This is a misunderstanding of the "primary impact" portion of the rule: it modifies "to simulate physical objects", which phrase itself is connected to "photo-realistic artwork". In other words, if it's obviously a drawing the rule doesn't apply. If it's cut full of holes, the rule doesn't apply. The rule only applies to the extent that the entrant is attempting to fool us into thinking that a previously-created work (usually a photograph) is the actual current work of the photographer. |
Here's why I went there. If we can use others' artwork, why can't we use a photograph and cut out sections? Would it have to be a drawing? Could I use a painting? Could I run a photograph through something like Topaz Impression and use that? It's not a misunderstanding, it's a desire to be clear on what would be allowable for the non-drawer to use. |
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12/06/2015 07:21:29 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
Here's why I went there. If we can use others' artwork, why can't we use a photograph and cut out sections? Would it have to be a drawing? Could I use a painting? Could I run a photograph through something like Topaz Impression and use that? It's not a misunderstanding, it's a desire to be clear on what would be allowable for the non-drawer to use. |
Well, I already stated earlier in this thread, that what you're suggesting IS legal.
So let me repeat my point: The "Artwork Rule" has nothing to do with artwork-in-general: it refers ONLY to the use of photorealistic artwork, and it ONLY applies if the artwork is not obviously artwork AND plays more than a minor role in the composition. Speaking broadly, the purpose of the artwork rule is to keep me from going to a museum, photographing their copy of "Moonrise, Hernandez, New Mexico", and then entering it as my own image. Note that if I photograph, the *installation* (the gallery wall, some floor, the framed "Moonrise" hanging", that's perfectly OK (but the voters won't score it well.) The devil, of course, is in the details, and sometimes interpretation is not that obvious, but for sure if you take a photographic print and cut holes in it for this particular challenge, that's gonna be OK, it's obviously presented as artwork...
Message edited by author 2015-12-06 19:22:07. |
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12/06/2015 07:33:59 PM · #16 |
...including your hand, holding it up, in the final composition -- for example?
Message edited by author 2015-12-06 19:34:31. |
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12/06/2015 08:37:21 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
...sometimes interpretation is not that obvious, but for sure if you take a photographic print and cut holes in it for this particular challenge, that's gonna be OK, it's obviously presented as artwork... |
Do we need to present a written permission slip from the creator and/or curator of the artwork? ;-) |
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