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02/07/2003 08:28:20 AM · #1
Greetings to the Critique Club :)

How is everything going so far? Is everyone still happy with the current system?

I have one item for investigation that I have not looked into yet. This item is the 'default' of the checkbox that requests a CC comment on the submit page... i will be looking into that very soon...


02/07/2003 10:11:28 AM · #2
Works for me. I love it. I am slow ant it lets me take my time.
02/07/2003 10:15:56 AM · #3
I am not too crazy about photos being held hostage. If a comment is not submitted on the photo, the photo should stay in the queue.

Neither of my photos have had a critique yet, and it's friday. If by Sunday, those people decide to not go back, my photos will not get a critique (well, I know that John will 'figure something out', but he shouldn't have to do that every week)

Why not have the system mark the photos off the queue only when the comment is submitted, not when a photo is requested.

Just a thought.
z
02/07/2003 10:23:50 AM · #4
When I chose one I immediatley put a note on it that says something like "the CC computer has assigned this photo to me. I'll be back." That way they know who to blame if I'm just too slow or if it doesn't get done and they know it is out of the black hole.

Would it be possible, or even advisable for your name to get posted on the pics you draw.
02/07/2003 10:36:46 AM · #5
Originally posted by zadore:

I am not too crazy about photos being held hostage. If a comment is not submitted on the photo, the photo should stay in the queue.

Neither of my photos have had a critique yet, and it's friday. If by Sunday, those people decide to not go back, my photos will not get a critique (well, I know that John will 'figure something out', but he shouldn't have to do that every week)

Why not have the system mark the photos off the queue only when the comment is submitted, not when a photo is requested.

Just a thought.
z


There is no easy way to fix this. Last week, I unassigned photos that had been selected all week and was asked NOT to do that by several CC members.

I would like to suggest to those of you who select photos on Monday and don't critique them till the weekend to stop doing this. You are ultimately holding up critiques for CC members when you select on Monday or Tuesday. If you want to select a photo and hold it till the weekend, please wait till Wednesday or Thursday to do so...


02/07/2003 12:21:10 PM · #6
Maybe it's just me, but WHY the heck are people getting a photo out of the queue if they are not ready to critique it????

When you are ready to write a critique, then grab a photo...otherwise, leave it alone...geez ;)

I did that the first week the systems was implemented, just to see the process...but now, i don't request a photo unless I have the time to write the critique....please do the same!

z
02/07/2003 12:42:11 PM · #7
I often request one, let it sink in, do the critique a day later. Or when I am in the mood I will do three in one hour. I requested the first of this week on monday morning, about four hours past midnight in your time and did the critique on wednesday evening. Asked for the second one, was planning to do it thursday (no time) and I will probably do that one later this evening (it is 18.40 here) or tomorrow morning.
Didn't have much time this week, last night I went in early because today I had to ride the whole day starting 5.30 in the morning and I am just back (could somebody massage my neck please?).

I like the system and I don't think it is a problem that some are taken hostage for a couple of days, the photographer won't notice.

Message edited by author 2003-02-07 13:50:02.
02/07/2003 01:31:59 PM · #8
I agree with Azrifel. I would like to make a suggestion. Make it possible to de-select a photo and get another. I will critique any photo given me but if I left a comment during the challenge week there may be nothing else I can add. In fact the photo I just pulled from the queue is one I commented on during the week and there's nothing else I can say about it. I feel if we can de-select a photo maybe someone will come along and grab it and do it. If it can't be an option should I just contact you(John)if I want another photo to be assigned to me? Sorry to be a pain, but I really think people deserve a good critique and I'd hate to say "Greetings from the Critique Club, I have nothing else to add read the comments below." Thanks.
02/07/2003 01:45:05 PM · #9
Jimmy, if you left that good of a comment then if I were you I would just copy my comment and leave it as the CC critique. No problem. I don't think we should be able to de-select a photo. People will be choosing only the one's they want as we previously disscussed this in a previous thread.

02/07/2003 02:19:29 PM · #10
I spend at least a day thinking about a photo - sometimes I look at it on another monitor. It takes me half a day to write the darn thing in bits and pieces too, with interruptions.

Everyone has a different work style and different blocks of time. I like the current system because it accomodates all.
02/07/2003 02:21:32 PM · #11
Originally posted by jimmyn4:

I agree with Azrifel. I would like to make a suggestion. Make it possible to de-select a photo and get another. I will critique any photo given me but if I left a comment during the challenge week there may be nothing else I can add. In fact the photo I just pulled from the queue is one I commented on during the week and there's nothing else I can say about it. I feel if we can de-select a photo maybe someone will come along and grab it and do it. If it can't be an option should I just contact you(John)if I want another photo to be assigned to me? Sorry to be a pain, but I really think people deserve a good critique and I'd hate to say "Greetings from the Critique Club, I have nothing else to add read the comments below." Thanks.


I don't know what the best way to handle that is... I agree that if this option was available, lots of the less favorable photographs would filter to the bottom of the list and never get critiques.

What I have done to eliminate this problem is that I have stopped leaving detailed comments during the challenge. I may leave some brief comments, but I always leave myself a lot of room to expand if I should get the photo as a CC assignment.

I could allow people to send me a note requesting an un-assignment, but if I do, I am surely gonna be hammered with requests all week long...

02/07/2003 03:59:37 PM · #12
I don't necessarily think that it's the "bad" photos that people would rather skip. I did a couple of critiques in a row and then got one that I just don't know what to say about. It's been waiting a couple of days for me to come up with something. I've also been assigned photos that did very well before and just didn't feel that I had much to add. Sometimes those that need the most help are the easiest critiques to write.

Message edited by author 2003-02-07 20:18:38.
02/07/2003 04:49:38 PM · #13
Or somtimes you get the same person twice in a row and wonder if they'd like someone elses perspective.
02/07/2003 04:52:58 PM · #14
I think the current system is working fine and we should be careful not to change anything without a lot of thought. I do agree with EMorgan49 that if you are going to think about a shot for a while, you should post a comment that you have been assigned the image and are considering it. Maybe even give an estimate as to when you think you will be done. I think that's a great idea...

One other suggestion I have is that after all the current challenge shots are gone, maybe the system could let us start on the archived challenges. This way no one will feel the need to "grab one early" so they don't miss out on being able to leave a critique.

Of course this may well be easier said then done, but if possible it'd be a nice addition.

Once again, thanks for the vision and hard work to make this happen John :)

Message edited by author 2003-02-07 16:53:30.
02/07/2003 11:13:19 PM · #15
I think it is working very well, John. I still wish there was notification on the photog's profile page or something to alert them that a critique has been done...maybe turn the link with the photo title a different color until they click on it to view it?
02/08/2003 04:52:51 AM · #16
Originally posted by goodtempo:

Jimmy, if you left that good of a comment then if I were you I would just copy my comment and leave it as the CC critique. No problem. I don't think we should be able to de-select a photo. People will be choosing only the one's they want as we previously disscussed this in a previous thread.


I'm not saying that I left such a great comment that I don't want to leave another. I think copying the same thing I said for a critique is a great dis-service to the photographer. I think that person would appreciate getting someone else's opinion that's all.
02/08/2003 10:49:48 AM · #17
John: any idea if the "Doors and Windows" critiques will be finished this week? I was number 32 and am keen to get a critique if anyone's available.
02/08/2003 02:57:53 PM · #18
John, I like the system very much as it is now. I think it wirks very good.

Yes, I am one of those who fetches a photo on Monday and holds is "hostage" until the weekend. But I'm afraid that I wouldn't get one when I would wait until the weekend .

Of course I wouldn't do that if I had the feeling that I'll not be able to finish the critique.

But maybe would it be possible to make the assignment visible to the photographer? Then he/she could ask me directly if there are any questions about finishing the critque.

Also I think it's better to hold the photos hostage by people who will write their critque than leaving them in the pool and everybody else thinks "Oh, now there are still 10 photos left. Then I'll take some minutes and write a critique myself". I think diversity is good.

I also agree very much with Ellen. The current system allows us to accomodate the slow and the fast people. Personally I'm very slow, too ;-)

02/08/2003 03:37:56 PM · #19
Saturday afternoon and there's still over 100 left to do not counting any outstanding "hostage" ones. Allright, people... it's the weekend now... get to it! :P
02/08/2003 09:00:41 PM · #20
It's saturday night and we have critiqued less than half of the 216 images. As I write this, only 96 images have been critiqued. I have done 15 of those 96 myself.
02/08/2003 09:38:22 PM · #21
My sincerest apologies to the cc. I am one of those that had a "hostage" picture this week. I got it early in the week, planning on doing it, then had a little unexpected stay in the hospital with my son (we are home now, finally). I have asked John to unassign it, and if he is still feeling better tomorrow, I will try to do some.

As far as the system, I think it is working okay. I like being assigned a random shot, and I find that little button to be a bit addictive. I finish a critique and think, "Okay, I'm done." Then, I see that button, and it kills me not to know what shot is next. I'm hopeless.

Someone mentioned gettng the same photographer a couple of times. That has happened ot me. I was starting to think maybe I had a personal critic in the crowd! :-) It really wasn't so bad. In some ways, I liked it, because they could compare my work, and they seemed to get a bit more personal.

Two cents. Now, I gotta go.
02/09/2003 06:18:09 AM · #22
I've been pulling away from CC. Rather than feeling good about doing 1 critique if that's all I have time for I end up feeling castigated for not doing more.
I'd rather do none than do one and get to feel bad about it...
So...



PS Am (probably) on holiday from an hours time so will not be able to respond to any replies for a week. That said hub is pretty ill and we may have to cancel the whole trip.
02/09/2003 10:14:22 AM · #23
Sunday Morning, did 6 last night, gonna do more today.


02/09/2003 10:54:25 AM · #24
I did 6 already and no 7 is in hostage.
The downside is that I haven't commented on either of the current challenges yet. :(
(And I postponed some work, have to do that next week now).
02/09/2003 12:02:53 PM · #25
I think I'm with Kavey - the more complaining I get the less I feel like doing critiques. We never promised to critique all the pictures, did we? ANd that was before there were two challenges going. If a picture gets held hostage and gets a critique late, so what? If you don't get one, so what? I wish everyone would look at it as a gift of our time. We don't need to apoligize for our efforts. Ellen
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