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05/27/2015 12:35:40 PM · #1 |
I seem to spend a good deal of time in the bottom half of the results lately. Sometimes it's deserved, sometimes I'm a bit thrown by it. A prime example:
To be fair, it probably isn't green enough. I did actually try to catch the guys with green kits... :) *I* think it's abstract enough. Is it? For comparison, it has over 20 comments and 50+ likes on FB, most of those from current or former DPCers. So just because a shot fails here, doesn't mean it's horrible. Bad, maybe, but not horrible. :)
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05/27/2015 12:42:31 PM · #2 |
thats really cool Melethia, I had not looked thru that challenge. I dont know if this counts as "bottom half" but I was sorely disappointed by the finish of my sleeping pet shot. I thought it had so much more to offer than the plethora of close up shots of sleeping animals. I still haven't checked any of the comments as helpful in protest.
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05/27/2015 12:51:34 PM · #3 |
I don't quite understand your protest against the commenters. Did you see that the average from them was an even 8.00? This means they saw what you saw and appreciated it as you did. They were not the problem. This, to me, is a success! When you can connect with at least one viewer, you've won, even with a bottom half shot. And you connected with three who took the time to let you know. That's pretty good!
And no, unless you do math differently, not bottom half. :) Top 25%, I think.
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05/27/2015 12:55:03 PM · #4 |
oo Girl, don't you know I have music and the drinks down in that area... that bottom half if not that the last spot place is marked territorily many many times with my name on it.
almost a regular down there so yes, I am there.. why? I have no clue when I start out super good in the middle and sometimes until the end.. usually its the last few hrs that I drop really bad.
I would like to think I have improved since I joined last year, but then again with the scores .. it tells a different story LOL
When you have it figured out let me know LOL!
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05/27/2015 12:57:30 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I don't quite understand your protest against the commenters. Did you see that the average from them was an even 8.00? This means they saw what you saw and appreciated it as you did. They were not the problem. This, to me, is a success! When you can connect with at least one viewer, you've won, even with a bottom half shot. And you connected with three who took the time to let you know. That's pretty good!
And no, unless you do math differently, not bottom half. :) Top 25%, I think. |
Yah.....commenters liked it.
Personally, I'd have cropped it tighter to place more emphasis on the kitty.
(Grinning & ducking!)
Message edited by author 2015-05-27 12:57:56.
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05/27/2015 01:00:26 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Do you have a bottom half score you think it's worth a second look? |
You mean like 90% of my entries ... ;-) |
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05/27/2015 01:05:49 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I don't quite understand your protest against the commenters. . |
I really don't understand it either, it makes no sense but this one really bothered me for some reason. Kinda like how I have not yet been able to watch the replay of the end of the Superbowl.....Just too painful. ;) |
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05/27/2015 01:06:37 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
thats really cool Melethia, I had not looked thru that challenge. I dont know if this counts as "bottom half" but I was sorely disappointed by the finish of my sleeping pet shot. I thought it had so much more to offer than the plethora of close up shots of sleeping animals. I still haven't checked any of the comments as helpful in protest.
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Seems a bit vindictive to not appreciate the commenters, who appear to have been supporters of your image. Not sure I understand that type of protest. And a top 20 doesn't exactly seem like a bad finish.
What about adding your own comment, or expanding on the photographer's note explaining why you feel this is a stronger image than it was given credit for?
Message edited by author 2015-05-27 13:08:48. |
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05/27/2015 01:08:17 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Jules1x:
Originally posted by smardaz:
thats really cool Melethia, I had not looked thru that challenge. I dont know if this counts as "bottom half" but I was sorely disappointed by the finish of my sleeping pet shot. I thought it had so much more to offer than the plethora of close up shots of sleeping animals. I still haven't checked any of the comments as helpful in protest.
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Seems a bit vindictive to not appreciate the commenters, who appear to have been supporters of your image. Not sure I understand that type of protest. And a top 20 doesn't exactly seem like a bad finish. |
well there was only 44 entries....OK FINE, I'll go check the boxes, but you misunderstand, it wasnt against the commenters.....it was just irritating to go back tot he image |
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05/27/2015 01:42:58 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by Jules1x:
Originally posted by smardaz:
thats really cool Melethia, I had not looked thru that challenge. I dont know if this counts as "bottom half" but I was sorely disappointed by the finish of my sleeping pet shot. I thought it had so much more to offer than the plethora of close up shots of sleeping animals. I still haven't checked any of the comments as helpful in protest.
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Seems a bit vindictive to not appreciate the commenters, who appear to have been supporters of your image. Not sure I understand that type of protest. And a top 20 doesn't exactly seem like a bad finish. |
well there was only 44 entries....OK FINE, I'll go check the boxes, but you misunderstand, it wasnt against the commenters.....it was just irritating to go back tot he image |
Sadly for me, I still consider any finish above 50% a win. (Although I have two in voting right now that should finish well, that is rock star success for me.) And my third image in voting is a beautiful piece of art. But it is art for the wrong challenge so isn't scoring where it deserves to score (IMHO). But I was lucky enough to get one comment that made everything worth it. |
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05/27/2015 01:47:28 PM · #11 |
As for my image that I believe deserves a second look...
Can you see it? Not only a below 50% finish, but a dead last finish.
I agree it is perhaps a bit dark, but the challenge of photographing my cat who doesn't hold still in a dark room - I thought the end result was beautiful. (I should play a bit more and see if a slight tweak can brighten it up just enough to allow for easier viewing.) But this is one of my top three favorites of my photos here. (And I actually downright don't like my top scoring image.)
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05/27/2015 02:02:35 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Jules1x:
As for my image that I believe deserves a second look...
Can you see it? Not only a below 50% finish, but a dead last finish.
I agree it is perhaps a bit dark ... |
FWIW I think this is a great example of low-key photography.
However, when you attempt an image like this, you are at the mercy of those with uncalibrated monitors, and also those with LCD screens for which a change in viewing angle of just a couple of degrees can make the image look completely different, including solid black (I just tried on one of mine).
It's one reason I'd still rather work (with photos) on a hot, heavy CRT monitor when possible, and why I often make a print (even a 4x6) to check and see what's "really" there.
However, take pride in your Brown Ribbon -- one of my all-time favorites finished dead last (pun intended), but check out some of the comments ...
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05/27/2015 02:52:33 PM · #13 |
I have lived the vast majority of my DPC life in the bottom half, and I'm fine with it. I completely understand it and usually even agree with it. I don't submit a lot of stuff to win because frankly I'm not good enough to win so I submit things I like whether I believe they'll score high or completely flame.
With that said I was pretty darn disappointed with the final score of my Billy Joel shot. 
I really felt this deserved better. I guess it ruffled some feathers. Just for info that is my daughter in the shot and it took a great deal of coaxing to get her to do it then when she finally did it I only got one shot where she wasn't either giggling or had a look of trepidation on her face. We talked about it and she understands it was, for a lack of a less pretentious way of putting this, for the sake of art.
I really liked your shot Melethia I probably would have scored it a 7, but I didn't vote in that one. |
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05/27/2015 03:05:49 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I seem to spend a good deal of time in the bottom half of the results lately. Sometimes it's deserved, sometimes I'm a bit thrown by it. A prime example:
To be fair, it probably isn't green enough. I did actually try to catch the guys with green kits... :) *I* think it's abstract enough. Is it? For comparison, it has over 20 comments and 50+ likes on FB, most of those from current or former DPCers. So just because a shot fails here, doesn't mean it's horrible. Bad, maybe, but not horrible. :)
Do you have a bottom half score you think it's worth a second look? |
I was going to post something similar regarding my entry in the green abstract challenge, but to ask a broader question. I was surprised my entry barely cleared 5.0, but I was even more surprised by the amount of 1 and 2 votes throughout all of the entries in the challenge. More than in any other challenge to which I've paid attention. So, what is up with how abstract challenges are scored? Abstract is perhaps the most subjective challenge there is, so I understand the camps of "love it" and "not interested," but I do not understand how a green abstract can generate the passion required to drop a 1 on a photo. It's green, it's abstract, it does nothing for me: 1?
I don't typically analyze scores. I don't even follow them during voting. I know trying to figure it out is futile, but I thought there might be something to how abstract challenges are interpreted here that might be interesting to talk about.
Here's the aforementioned fiver:  |
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05/27/2015 03:21:49 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by chazoe:
I have lived the vast majority of my DPC life in the bottom half, and I'm fine with it. I completely understand it and usually even agree with it. I don't submit a lot of stuff to win because frankly I'm not good enough to win so I submit things I like whether I believe they'll score high or completely flame. |
Likewise, I'm sure ... :-)
Left you a comment. |
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05/27/2015 03:39:03 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
Originally posted by Melethia:
I seem to spend a good deal of time in the bottom half of the results lately. Sometimes it's deserved, sometimes I'm a bit thrown by it. A prime example:
To be fair, it probably isn't green enough. I did actually try to catch the guys with green kits... :) *I* think it's abstract enough. Is it? For comparison, it has over 20 comments and 50+ likes on FB, most of those from current or former DPCers. So just because a shot fails here, doesn't mean it's horrible. Bad, maybe, but not horrible. :)
Do you have a bottom half score you think it's worth a second look? |
I was going to post something similar regarding my entry in the green abstract challenge, but to ask a broader question. I was surprised my entry barely cleared 5.0, but I was even more surprised by the amount of 1 and 2 votes throughout all of the entries in the challenge. More than in any other challenge to which I've paid attention. So, what is up with how abstract challenges are scored? Abstract is perhaps the most subjective challenge there is, so I understand the camps of "love it" and "not interested," but I do not understand how a green abstract can generate the passion required to drop a 1 on a photo. It's green, it's abstract, it does nothing for me: 1?
I don't typically analyze scores. I don't even follow them during voting. I know trying to figure it out is futile, but I thought there might be something to how abstract challenges are interpreted here that might be interesting to talk about.
Here's the aforementioned fiver: |
Left comments. One of the greatest things for me on this site is that even low scoring images will sometimes connect with one or two people. That bike image had a 9 and a 10 - so someone really loved it. |
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05/27/2015 07:12:16 PM · #17 |
Thanks to those who left comments! I've gone back and reworked the blurry mess shot and took into account some of the feedback. Julie, it's an acquired taste - don't worry if you don't like it! Some people never get into blur, and that's fine! I really liked your comment - it explains a lot why some people don't like blur, and that's great to know.
Here's the revised edition - I didn't realize until two people mentioned it how superfluous the top part of the shot was. I also tried to dull down the bright white of some of the jerseys. Different aspect ratio, too. (Someone on FB remarked it would make a good poster, and I may add a white border with text on the bottom and try it as a poster!)
Better? Or just different? (You'll also notice I no longer worried whether it was very green or not. Ha!!)
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05/27/2015 09:05:30 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Thanks to those who left comments! I've gone back and reworked the blurry mess shot and took into account some of the feedback. Julie, it's an acquired taste - don't worry if you don't like it! Some people never get into blur, and that's fine! I really liked your comment - it explains a lot why some people don't like blur, and that's great to know.
Here's the revised edition - I didn't realize until two people mentioned it how superfluous the top part of the shot was. I also tried to dull down the bright white of some of the jerseys. Different aspect ratio, too. (Someone on FB remarked it would make a good poster, and I may add a white border with text on the bottom and try it as a poster!)
Better? Or just different? (You'll also notice I no longer worried whether it was very green or not. Ha!!)
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I found better, was kind of crazy how my brain went right towards the chaos you captured with just that top bit removed. Commented on image more. (Although also got sidetracked by that cool bird silhouette in your portfolio.) |
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05/27/2015 09:19:32 PM · #19 |
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05/27/2015 09:29:10 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Jules1x:
As for my image that I believe deserves a second look...
Can you see it? Not only a below 50% finish, but a dead last finish.
I agree it is perhaps a bit dark ... |
FWIW I think this is a great example of low-key photography.
However, when you attempt an image like this, you are at the mercy of those with uncalibrated monitors, and also those with LCD screens for which a change in viewing angle of just a couple of degrees can make the image look completely different, including solid black (I just tried on one of mine).
It's one reason I'd still rather work (with photos) on a hot, heavy CRT monitor when possible, and why I often make a print (even a 4x6) to check and see what's "really" there.
However, take pride in your Brown Ribbon -- one of my all-time favorites finished dead last (pun intended), but check out some of the comments ...
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Thanks for my giggle for the day Jules1x and General E!
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05/27/2015 10:14:53 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Jules1x:
Originally posted by Melethia:
Thanks to those who left comments! I've gone back and reworked the blurry mess shot and took into account some of the feedback. Julie, it's an acquired taste - don't worry if you don't like it! Some people never get into blur, and that's fine! I really liked your comment - it explains a lot why some people don't like blur, and that's great to know.
Here's the revised edition - I didn't realize until two people mentioned it how superfluous the top part of the shot was. I also tried to dull down the bright white of some of the jerseys. Different aspect ratio, too. (Someone on FB remarked it would make a good poster, and I may add a white border with text on the bottom and try it as a poster!)
Better? Or just different? (You'll also notice I no longer worried whether it was very green or not. Ha!!)
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I found better, was kind of crazy how my brain went right towards the chaos you captured with just that top bit removed. Commented on image more. (Although also got sidetracked by that cool bird silhouette in your portfolio.) |
I did not vote on this challenge because I had a hard time seeing green and anything within things hahaha
but the new image is wonderful and I could see that! That would have been a personal fav from me if it was edited the new way ! Love it much better
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05/27/2015 10:21:13 PM · #22 |
I think this is my worst ever finish (8%) and while I don't usually care, this hurt because I'm so vulnerable where my granddaughter is concerned. Everyone who counts (ie family LOL) loves it, so all is good despite the DPC snub :)
I honestly thought it transcended the snapshot genre, but obviously I was wrong.
I cannot re-take, but I could reprocess so help me understand and help me make it better if that's possible. |
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05/27/2015 10:32:35 PM · #23 |
double post
Message edited by author 2015-05-27 22:33:00. |
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05/27/2015 11:10:56 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by nam:
I think this is my worst ever finish (8%) and while I don't usually care, this hurt because I'm so vulnerable where my granddaughter is concerned. Everyone who counts (ie family LOL) loves it, so all is good despite the DPC snub :)
I honestly thought it transcended the snapshot genre, but obviously I was wrong.
I cannot re-take, but I could reprocess so help me understand and help me make it better if that's possible. |
Commented on the image page. Ack, a Best of Challenge, you can't beat yourself up too hard. I can definitely see how it was the best of 2014 to you. I'm sorry the crew here didn't back you on that. |
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05/27/2015 11:32:43 PM · #25 |
The one I want to show is still in voting. I really do want to know if it it is being perceived as DNMC or if it just sucks that bad, so I will be asking for feedback when the challenge is over.
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