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09/12/2004 02:59:56 AM · #1 |
Is anyone else a little fuzzy on the mirrors challenge? I'm not sure if we're supposed to include actual hanging mirrors, or if it's just supposed to be obvious that a mirror is present in the photo - i.e. something is sitting on a mirror and being reflected, but no frame is visible to prove it's an actual mirror, though the glass/reflective part is obvious. Will people nitpick about whether or not the mirror is actually a mirror, just because it's frameless? I'm thinking this will be the case. I may just sit this one out...
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09/12/2004 03:01:36 AM · #2 |
You know what.. if people start voting lower because the mirror isn't in a frame and isn't hanging on a wall..
then I officially retire from DPC.
(for the record.. I highly doubt anyone but the most anal of morons will be that picky)
Message edited by author 2004-09-12 03:02:12.
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09/12/2004 03:03:04 AM · #3 |
| Well, a few people didn't think the blue ribbon in framing didn't fit (I'm wasn't one) the challenge, but he still won! |
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09/12/2004 03:04:42 AM · #4 |
| If you have a recognisable mirror in your image then that is enough me thinx. The main thing is for the mirror challenge (and the smoke challenge) is that you have to be original to do well, try to do something different to what the mainstream will be doing :) |
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09/12/2004 03:13:45 AM · #5 |
| You shouldn't be worry, it doesn't need to be hanging on a wall or with a frame. If its a clear reflection, then its obviously a mirror. Don't sit it out, go and shoot your idea! |
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09/12/2004 11:19:25 AM · #6 |
Yes, be creative! There will be a few voters who interpret the challenge very narrowly, but any reflective surface is a mirror. In order to make it really fit the cahllenge, there should, of course, be a visible reflection in the mirror, IMO, to identify it as such. Preferrably it should play into the composition.
FWIW, my "Mirrors" entry does not contain a "traditional" mirror. |
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09/12/2004 11:48:28 AM · #7 |
| It says the mirror has to be evident, not obvious |
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09/13/2004 01:00:30 AM · #8 |
After having been once through the photos, I have seen a lot of photos with a reflective surface, not a mirror. The challenge is very specific that a mirror must be included - somewhere. I am looking hard for a mirror and if I can't find one somewhere (even if not the subject), I'm voting them down. The mirror doesn't have to be in a frame, or on a wall - but it can't be reflections off water, windows, chrome, etc.
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09/13/2004 01:08:58 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
After having been once through the photos, I have seen a lot of photos with a reflective surface, not a mirror. The challenge is very specific that a mirror must be included - somewhere. I am looking hard for a mirror and if I can't find one somewhere (even if not the subject), I'm voting them down. The mirror doesn't have to be in a frame, or on a wall - but it can't be reflections off water, windows, chrome, etc.
Bill |
ummm, why isn't a reflective surface a mirror?
Dave
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09/13/2004 01:40:22 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
After having been once through the photos, I have seen a lot of photos with a reflective surface, not a mirror. The challenge is very specific that a mirror must be included - somewhere. I am looking hard for a mirror and if I can't find one somewhere (even if not the subject), I'm voting them down. The mirror doesn't have to be in a frame, or on a wall - but it can't be reflections off water, windows, chrome, etc.
Bill |
Why not? A mirror by its very definition is anything that is capable of reflecting ... like a polished or smooth surface or even a substance that forms an image by reflection. |
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09/13/2004 01:42:44 AM · #11 |
There always has to be a few anal boneheads.
Next!
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09/13/2004 01:45:17 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
There always has to be a few anal boneheads.
Next! |
Ooo oo, pick me!!!
(Not really, it just seemed like the thing to say at the moment)
;D |
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09/13/2004 01:48:38 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by goinskiing:
Originally posted by Artyste:
There always has to be a few anal boneheads.
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Ooo oo, pick me!!!
(Not really, it just seemed like the thing to say at the moment)
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hahaha.. nice :)
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09/13/2004 08:17:12 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
There always has to be a few anal boneheads.
Next! |
...and there are always a few that insist on bending the rules to suit themselves. A reflective surface can be a "mirror surface", or a "mirror finish" but not a "mirror". A "mirror" is an object, plain and simple!
Please read the following paragraphs that were written by the person who wrote the challenge.
and as to your jumping right to the name calling... it "reflects" badly on you.
Bill
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09/07/2004 07:01:54 AM
Originally posted by jadin:
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While the rules do state that a mirror must be in the photo. S4nd3r99 already explained that by definition a mirror doesn't have to be a real "mirror", just a smooth reflecting surface.
Good luck explaining that to the voters.
In writing this challenge description, I did consider saying "mirror or other reflective surface." In the end I decided to say "mirror" because I envisioned this as an object challenge, not unlike Pencil (Challenge 29). My intent in writing the challenge was an actual physical mirror.
That said, I am a proponent of loose interpretations of a challenge (within reason). I do not believe that everyone must interpret the challenge as I did. If I can see a photographer clearly had the challenge topic in mind when taking their photograph, I will generally score that entry as meeting the challenge. Just be aware that many voters might not be so understanding.
-Terry
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09/13/2004 08:31:17 AM · #15 |
I tend to agree with you "gatorguy" about the name-calling and about the challenge definition.
It's not anal to look for an actual mirror when the challenge says the photograph should include a mirror!
If the challenge was intended to be loosely interpreted, it shouldn't have stated "the mirror should be evident in the photograph".
Sure, we can argue semantics but in everyday english we all understand what a mirror is.
But I bet we'll argue semantics anyway...
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09/13/2004 08:37:53 AM · #16 |
Bill,
you go right ahead and vote the non-literal images down, thats how you interpret the challeng. For me I will vote up the images which have some imagination, some flair or some style, regardless of whether theres an obvious mirror in shot.
I'd rather see one great image which is at the edge of interpretation than the tens of litteral but banal shots.
Just my 2c
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09/13/2004 08:56:01 AM · #17 |
I think the idea of clearly mentioning a MIRROR meant a "mirror" not any type of reflective surface, or else the challenge would have been called "reflections" or "reflected images".
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09/13/2004 09:03:58 AM · #18 |
| I took it to mean it has to have a mirror in it or some type of mirror tiles or surface, well when looking for a them that is what I took into consideration, something that contains a mirror as in a looking glass which is the difference, a mirror as in a mirror not a mirroring surface, for instance, chrome, water, glass, which made it harder for me when looking for ideas because if you stick to the literal meaning of the challenge and not deviate then ones scope is a whole lot smaller! However I have not voted that down on others, I take the whole thing into consideration; my pic contains looking glass but not a mirror perse like one we hang on a wall! Maybe thats why I am only on a 5.5263. Maybe DPC should be more exact and not so open to misinterpretation on the challenges, if it going to cause so much fuzzyness! good luck everyone. |
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09/13/2004 09:18:59 AM · #19 |
You know what, i also read the challenge as an actual Mirror, but after all of sunday trying to figure out a unique way to photo a mirror, i looked up the definition in the dictionary...
This is what it says:
Mir*ror - n. a polished surface, esp, of glass that reflects light, and on which images can therfore be seen.
Literally this means that water and reflective steel surfaces are OUT, but thats all...this means that ANY reflective GLASS is the KEY...
Message edited by author 2004-09-13 09:20:09. |
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09/13/2004 09:26:10 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by markmyshots:
You know what, i also read the challenge as an actual Mirror, but after all of sunday trying to figure out a unique way to photo a mirror, i looked up the definition in the dictionary...
This is what it says:
Mir*ror - n. a polished surface, esp, of glass that reflects light, and on which images can therfore be seen.
Literally this means that water and reflective steel surfaces are OUT, but thats all...this means that ANY reflective GLASS is the KEY... |
Wrong. Dictionary definitions are usually descriptive, not definitive.
Another example:
Car: A vehicle moving on wheels.
This does not mean that any vehicle moving on wheels is a car.
If the challenge said "photograph a car", I could not look up 'car' in the dictionary and photograph a bike while citing the dictionary as my defense of why it meets the challenge.
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09/13/2004 09:31:23 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Wrong. Dictionary definitions are usually descriptive, not definitive. |
A non-definitive definition would seem to be an oxymoron (self-negating phrase) to me. |
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09/13/2004 09:33:52 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Wrong. Dictionary definitions are usually descriptive, not definitive. |
A non-definitive definition would seem to be an oxymoron (self-negating phrase) to me. |
Then what part of my example do you disagree with?
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09/13/2004 09:38:54 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by Gil P:
I think the idea of clearly mentioning a MIRROR meant a "mirror" not any type of reflective surface, or else the challenge would have been called "reflections" or "reflected images". |
ditto |
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09/14/2004 10:53:23 AM · #24 |
Hi
I just had a comment saying my entry pic in their opinion does not fit the challenge. I did not want to use a mirror exactly but I wanted to use looking glass, it was not easy to find something, guess my imagination is a bit weak! I do not have a mirror in my entry but I do have looking glass in it, looking glass where a person can see their reflection in it. I must have been marked harshly because I fell from a 5.5000 (well I was 5.5 something :) ) to a 5.3896 in one go, oh well :(
What do you all think about this not fitting the challenge feelings and how it is interpreted from the description of the challenge itself?
I love my pic!!! :)
have fun a little bit sad even .....
Lisa :) |
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09/15/2004 01:09:51 PM · #25 |
sorry
Message edited by author 2004-09-15 13:25:09. |
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