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 09/23/2013 10:17:06 AM · #1
Hmm I don't know about anyone else, but I'm finding it really tough to find a suitable DQ'd image to try and replicate. In certain challenges where I'm hoping there are a few DQs to choose from, there are none; in others the DQs had been ribbon winners that are wholly out of my scope either in terms of equipment and/or PS tricks; in many other cases they are just blah pics. Am I the only one facing this situation?
 09/23/2013 10:24:20 AM · #2
I am finding it labor intensive to search out and then, when I do find some, disappointing to try to find a good candidate to shoot for.
 09/23/2013 10:35:45 AM · #3
Managed to find a couple that a)aren't putting me to sleep and b)are doable. I have about a half-dozen DQs to my name but don't want to do any of them, I don't want quite that level of deja vu! :-)
 09/23/2013 10:59:39 AM · #4
Originally posted by snaffles:
...I have about a half-dozen DQs to my name but don't want to do any of them...

Hey, the eight legged cat could be interesting. Now, if I only had a cat for a model. I wonder if voters would think an Octopuppy shot would be close enough? :-)
 09/23/2013 11:43:16 AM · #5
Having the same problem.
 09/23/2013 12:43:32 PM · #6
Guys, try this other thread, on the same topic
 09/23/2013 12:43:36 PM · #7
spent almost 2 hours yesterday searching and came up with zip.
 09/23/2013 12:45:44 PM · #8
Fine. If you're not going to visit the other thread... type this into Google and search images.

site:dpchallenge.com/image.php "Disqualification Details"

09/23/2013 03:32:14 PM · #9

I used all the methods already described.
Ultimately, I just clicked on Challenges I liked, went to the last page and checked for DQs.
I found three that ' if ' I could get the materials
and tried really hard (and clicked my heels together three times)
I might have a chance at.
 09/23/2013 06:18:27 PM · #10
Originally posted by tanguera:
Fine. If you're not going to visit the other thread... type this into Google and search images.

site:dpchallenge.com/image.php "Disqualification Details"


Thanks Johanna
 09/24/2013 05:54:49 AM · #11
Stupidest idea that I have ever heard of - bar none. Find some image that was a total and complete failure and then replicate it. Give me a break. Who dreams up these challenges?
 09/24/2013 07:25:11 AM · #12
True, Morgan, there are many DQs fitting that description - but a good number of them are also ribbon winners who have fallen from grace, usually on a technicality like an editing rule, wrong date/time etc.

The one I've chosen to replicate looks like it finished very well in its challenge. I figured out the score, it would have put it in the top 5 if not the ribbons.
 09/24/2013 07:43:09 AM · #13
Originally posted by Morgan:
Stupidest idea that I have ever heard of - bar none. Find some image that was a total and complete failure and then replicate it. Give me a break. Who dreams up these challenges?


The stupid part of this challenge is the use of expert editing! Still doesn't makes sense to me.
 09/24/2013 09:14:11 AM · #14
Originally posted by Stagolee:
Originally posted by Morgan:
Stupidest idea that I have ever heard of - bar none. Find some image that was a total and complete failure and then replicate it. Give me a break. Who dreams up these challenges?


The stupid part of this challenge is the use of expert editing! Still doesn't makes sense to me.


Sometimes creating (or re-creating or re-creating with your own touch in this case) may have conditions that crop up that are outside the bounds of Advanced but still retain the 100% photographic feel.

Case in point: Things That Go Together II was Expert Editing which allowed Tanguera to get the shot Seams and Stillettos.

Read the notes, the model's rescue dog did not feel at ease until on a leash. The photo is seamless and fantastic- you would never know unless you read the notes that the leash had to be cloned out which is something that is not allowed in Advanced.

And it has been said time and time again - just because it is Expert doesn't mean that you can't enter something that was done with Advanced or Basic Editing Rules and it will not do well. Case in point:

Never Seen On DPC II (Expert Editing)

The entry used Advanced Editing rules and it took the blue ribbon!!!!!!! It CAN be done!

Message edited by author 2013-09-24 09:15:55.
 09/24/2013 11:38:31 AM · #15
Morgan, Stagolee, around here, it's usually not a good idea to deal in absolutes!

Most of the DQs are NOT of brown ribbon entries, since most of those never get validated. They are usually, in fact, front page finishers. However, we HAVE occasionally had challenges where we get to recreate the last place image. And those are a lot of fun to do, especially when the idea or concept is good but the photographer lacked experience or skill in the execution.

And as Chrystyne pointed out, expert editing does not mean you HAVE to use every tool in the kit. MANY ribbons have been awarded to images in expert editing challenges, which only used advanced editing rules. It's harder to do, but if you can do it, it means you're a heck of a photographer :-)
 09/24/2013 01:07:19 PM · #16
Originally posted by tanguera:
Morgan, Stagolee, around here, it's usually not a good idea to deal in absolutes!

Most of the DQs are NOT of brown ribbon entries, since most of those never get validated. They are usually, in fact, front page finishers. However, we HAVE occasionally had challenges where we get to recreate the last place image. And those are a lot of fun to do, especially when the idea or concept is good but the photographer lacked experience or skill in the execution.

And as Chrystyne pointed out, expert editing does not mean you HAVE to use every tool in the kit. MANY ribbons have been awarded to images in expert editing challenges, which only used advanced editing rules. It's harder to do, but if you can do it, it means you're a heck of a photographer :-)


I'm sorry if my opinion differs to yours but I feel it is absolutely unnecessary to have expert rule-set for this challenge.
 09/24/2013 06:25:20 PM · #17
Stagolee, why so bitter and anti-Expert? There is absolutely no rule saying that you HAVE to use Expert Editing in a challenge!

Ditto Basic and Advanced; the one exception being Minimal, where I still wish we could crop, but oh well. Anyway. I've entered countless shots in Advanced with only Basic editing, and Expert with Advanced-editing work.

Sure, I wouldn't mind having a few more bazillion mad PS skllz up my sleeves, but I don't, so I make do with what I can and try do a lot in camera than rely on PS to ride to the rescue.
 09/24/2013 07:44:10 PM · #18
Originally posted by snaffles:
Stagolee, why so bitter and anti-Expert? There is absolutely no rule saying that you HAVE to use Expert Editing in a challenge!

Ditto Basic and Advanced; the one exception being Minimal, where I still wish we could crop, but oh well. Anyway. I've entered countless shots in Advanced with only Basic editing, and Expert with Advanced-editing work.

Sure, I wouldn't mind having a few more bazillion mad PS skllz up my sleeves, but I don't, so I make do with what I can and try do a lot in camera than rely on PS to ride to the rescue.

There is a clique of voters who vote down on any image in an Expert rules challenge which is not a cartoon fantasy. It's okay. This clique ignores the "photographic in nature" phrase. But, who cares. All I know is that it is futile to submit good photography to an Expert Editing challenge. Such an image will be savaged by those who think Expert Edit challenges should show a fantasy image, and one's worst submission will be a good photograph which meets the challenge.
 09/24/2013 07:54:18 PM · #19
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by snaffles:
Stagolee, why so bitter and anti-Expert? There is absolutely no rule saying that you HAVE to use Expert Editing in a challenge!

Ditto Basic and Advanced; the one exception being Minimal, where I still wish we could crop, but oh well. Anyway. I've entered countless shots in Advanced with only Basic editing, and Expert with Advanced-editing work.

Sure, I wouldn't mind having a few more bazillion mad PS skllz up my sleeves, but I don't, so I make do with what I can and try do a lot in camera than rely on PS to ride to the rescue.

There is a clique of voters who vote down on any image in an Expert rules challenge which is not a cartoon fantasy. It's okay. This clique ignores the "photographic in nature" phrase. But, who cares. All I know is that it is futile to submit good photography to an Expert Editing challenge. Such an image will be savaged by those who think Expert Edit challenges should show a fantasy image, and one's worst submission will be a good photograph which meets the challenge.


Maybe some months ago, but now I feel it is quite different. For this image I received a lot of low votes and one comment (later deleted) stating that it was not photographic in nature. Well this was a simple composite of 2 images with a really poor editing except for the texture.



For this challenge the only way to widen the reasearch of images (they could have been taken under all rulesets) was to allow expert editing.
 09/24/2013 08:00:58 PM · #20
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by snaffles:
Stagolee, why so bitter and anti-Expert? There is absolutely no rule saying that you HAVE to use Expert Editing in a challenge!

Ditto Basic and Advanced; the one exception being Minimal, where I still wish we could crop, but oh well. Anyway. I've entered countless shots in Advanced with only Basic editing, and Expert with Advanced-editing work.

Sure, I wouldn't mind having a few more bazillion mad PS skllz up my sleeves, but I don't, so I make do with what I can and try do a lot in camera than rely on PS to ride to the rescue.

There is a clique of voters who vote down on any image in an Expert rules challenge which is not a cartoon fantasy. It's okay. This clique ignores the "photographic in nature" phrase. But, who cares. All I know is that it is futile to submit good photography to an Expert Editing challenge. Such an image will be savaged by those who think Expert Edit challenges should show a fantasy image, and one's worst submission will be a good photograph which meets the challenge.


Maybe some months ago, but now I feel it is quite different. For this image I received a lot of low votes and one comment (later deleted) stating that it was not photographic in nature. Well this was a simple composite of 2 images with a really poor editing except for the texture.



For this challenge the only way to widen the reasearch of images (they could have been taken under all rulesets) was to allow expert editing.

I was not allowed to vote on this challenge and did not comment. Your image would have received a "10" from me and glowing comments. You should have ribboned.
 09/24/2013 08:07:02 PM · #21
Originally posted by hahn23:
I was not allowed to vote on this challenge and did not comment. Your image would have received a "10" from me and glowing comments. You should have ribboned.


I didn't mean to say you were that commenter :)

What I meant to say is that maybe there are some people who cast better votes to cartoonish images, but at the same time some others do the opposite.

ETA: thanks for your appreciation of my image!
 09/24/2013 09:04:32 PM · #22
In the Expert Challenge called "Origins" this image came in 5th.
If I had not enhanced the colors just a touch, it would have qualified for a Minimal Challenge.


Anything can happen in one of these Challenges.
 09/24/2013 10:38:46 PM · #23
Hmmm... My "The Smile" ribbon got DQed in a storm of DPC style controversy that was supposed to get voted on getting overturned by SC but never did... Which challenge do I choose?

This should be interesting for me. *muah ha ha ha ha
 09/25/2013 02:00:14 AM · #24
Just to be clear. I hate that this is Expert.

Why?

Because no-one will realize how amazing my advanced editing shot is, since doing the same thing in Expert is simple.

That sucks.
 09/25/2013 02:23:25 AM · #25
Originally posted by snaffles:
Stagolee, why so bitter and anti-Expert? There is absolutely no rule saying that you HAVE to use Expert Editing in a challenge!

Ditto Basic and Advanced; the one exception being Minimal, where I still wish we could crop, but oh well. Anyway. I've entered countless shots in Advanced with only Basic editing, and Expert with Advanced-editing work.

Sure, I wouldn't mind having a few more bazillion mad PS skllz up my sleeves, but I don't, so I make do with what I can and try do a lot in camera than rely on PS to ride to the rescue.


Just so you understand I'm not "so bitter" or anti expert editing, in fact I enjoy expert editing challenges and usually score them higher.

I was trying to state that in my opinion expert editing is not required for this challenge! Most DQed images are from editing mistakes......the real challenge would have been to try and emulate the the DQ without the editing mistake. Using expert editing makes it too easy to improve an image without the constraints the original image was entered under.

Message edited by author 2013-09-25 04:02:06.
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