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08/20/2013 02:35:24 AM · #1 |
Why get so hung up on borders?
"I would give it more but I don't like the border..."
If you went into a restaurant, would send the food back because you didn't like the shape of the plate?
Weird. |
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08/20/2013 03:05:36 AM · #2 |
| Ok then. You got it. No more border talk for the DPL. |
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08/20/2013 03:22:18 AM · #3 |
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08/20/2013 03:22:22 AM · #4 |
I really don't know why borders seem to be such an issue to some. If you view pictures in galleries they at least have a frame, and usually a mat and sometimes a double mat. So what's the problem?
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08/20/2013 03:26:09 AM · #5 |
Well sometimes a border ruins an otherwise real good image,which is shame.
Then again sometimes a border can enhance an image and make it spring into life.
As for the plate I don't care but I do hate getting a pint of ale in one of those old jugs and would return it for a straight sided glass.
Hope this helps. |
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08/20/2013 07:45:01 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by jomari:
I really don't know why borders seem to be such an issue to some. If you view pictures in galleries they at least have a frame, and usually a mat and sometimes a double mat. So what's the problem? |
The problem is most of the images seen here don't have borders. So for the gallery analogy, imagine a showing of images simply and uniformly presented, say black frames with white mats, and then stumbling over something in a gilded frame with lime green mat (to pick an extreme example). The effect is jarring and distracting.
Bottom line: Take a hint. If people are commenting on your border than it must be drawing their attention away from the image.
Further, I've never hung a plate of food on my wall... |
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08/20/2013 07:48:50 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by bvy:
I've never hung a plate of food on my wall... |
You folks miss so much that life has to offer. |
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08/20/2013 07:57:48 AM · #8 |
I've hung a plate of food on the floor more than once.
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08/20/2013 08:24:21 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by jomari:
I've hung a plate of food on the floor more than once. |
Well, yes, there's that. My kids curated some lovely exhibits for my wife to clean up.
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08/20/2013 09:56:32 AM · #10 |
I have hung some food on the wall, in my day, but the plate always hits the floor. Gravity.
Borders. I love doing borders on my photos & I used to submit my photo with a border when I was new to online photography sites.
Not any more. There are too many negative reactions possible. I've never received a comment wishing the image had a border.
If you submit your photography to a juried contest in real life, they ask for a print & a file.
I've never been asked to submit a print matted & framed.
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08/20/2013 10:10:44 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
If you submit your photography to a juried contest in real life, they ask for a print & a file.
I've never been asked to submit a print matted & framed. |
Actually we have a couple of juried art & photography contests/exhibits in our area that insist the photo prints be professionally framed and finished-looking, as everything is for sale. And the judges and buyers both seem to prefer mats and frames that are attractive and complement the photo... not a lot of the plain black gallery frames in this show. |
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08/20/2013 10:51:28 AM · #12 |
| I guess nobody watches Master Chef. Plating is a big part of being a chef. |
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08/20/2013 11:01:54 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Mond:
Why get so hung up on borders? |
If you've added a "creative" border (i.e. anything more than a fine black line, equivalent to gallery framing), it will draw focus from the image, pure and simple. Brian's response to your gallery analogy is perfect. Whether the images are framed or unframed, they're all the same. Put one in that is drastically different, it becomes about the frame/border. |
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08/20/2013 11:02:23 AM · #14 |
No borders on my images, till I got nailed about 5 times for the judges not being able to see where the end of an image is. [My images may often contain vast black or white or grey areas] So now I line the images. 1 or 2 pixels wide.
I never investigate the use/misuse of a border when viewing images, but there have been a few occasions where the border did not sit well with the image. It is necessary to mention it in those circumstances. Very few and far between for me.
Our home probably have more foodless plates against the walls than empty plates in the cupboard. No gravity problems with the industrial strength hooks I employ to fasten them to the walls. Do not tell my wife that they are supposed to be or have borders. I've got enough other handy-man jobs waiting. |
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08/20/2013 11:09:52 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by skewsme:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
If you submit your photography to a juried contest in real life, they ask for a print & a file.
I've never been asked to submit a print matted & framed. |
Actually we have a couple of juried art & photography contests/exhibits in our area that insist the photo prints be professionally framed and finished-looking, as everything is for sale. And the judges and buyers both seem to prefer mats and frames that are attractive and complement the photo... not a lot of the plain black gallery frames in this show. |
Yep. If it's going to be hung on the wall & it's for sale, then yes you need a mat and frame.
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A mat & frame will present & protect the print. Or overwhelm & destroy the print, if done badly.
But DPC is not a gallery. There is no
If the image doesn't 'need' a border, then adding one looks like overcompensating.
If the image seems to 'need' a border, then I have to ask myself why.
Message edited by author 2013-08-20 11:17:07. |
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08/20/2013 11:11:59 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Originally posted by skewsme:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
If you submit your photography to a juried contest in real life, they ask for a print & a file.
I've never been asked to submit a print matted & framed. |
Actually we have a couple of juried art & photography contests/exhibits in our area that insist the photo prints be professionally framed and finished-looking, as everything is for sale. And the judges and buyers both seem to prefer mats and frames that are attractive and complement the photo... not a lot of the plain black gallery frames in this show. |
Yep. If it's going to be hung on the wall & it's for sale, then yes you need a mat and frame. |
yes but the works are also juried as ensembles |
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08/20/2013 11:18:23 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by skewsme:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Originally posted by skewsme:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
If you submit your photography to a juried contest in real life, they ask for a print & a file.
I've never been asked to submit a print matted & framed. |
Actually we have a couple of juried art & photography contests/exhibits in our area that insist the photo prints be professionally framed and finished-looking, as everything is for sale. And the judges and buyers both seem to prefer mats and frames that are attractive and complement the photo... not a lot of the plain black gallery frames in this show. |
Yep. If it's going to be hung on the wall & it's for sale, then yes you need a mat and frame. |
yes but the works are also juried as ensembles |
You know, that sounds so interesting. Unusual. Is it online? I'd like to see. |
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08/20/2013 11:45:56 AM · #18 |
Quite frequently I find that an image needs a border here for separation from the grey background.
Ideally I wish we could ... |
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08/20/2013 11:47:45 AM · #19 |
| I think context is the key, as bvy and others suggested. Apart from that, or apart from the dpc venue, matting and framing remain for me a big challenge. For awhile I and others in a local exhibit were favouring the black exhibition frames, but I was never convinced; one of the attendees, an artist with a bit of renown, wondered why we had "boxed" everything in ... |
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08/20/2013 11:55:05 AM · #20 |
Well hell.
Again, I'll play the dissenter today.
I'll use a letterbox border on occasion. Why? Because the darn image is so pano-wide that it NEEDS something to help it not look like a tiny little strip, or because it seems to need to have some heavy contrast added.
Here's two examples that performed pretty decently:
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08/20/2013 12:47:50 PM · #21 |
My highest-scoring shot has a border, but not because of the border. |
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08/20/2013 12:57:01 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
Then again sometimes a border can enhance an image and make it spring into life. |
Yes, I recommend using only subtle, tasteful borders ... ;-) 
Seriously, sometimes a border is helpful in separating the image from the page background, and sometimes it adds a sense of depth to an image, as if you are looking through a window.
I put borders (and captions) on virtually all of my prints to make them fit standard print sizes; anyone who doesn't like it can cover it with a mat, but for those who can't afford framing it can also be hung with a couple of thumbtacks (like a poster) ... |
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08/20/2013 01:09:15 PM · #23 |
there are ALWAYS exceptions.
disagree with Cory about the panos: I love the skinny little strips of them. |
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08/20/2013 01:14:33 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by tnun:
disagree with Cory about the panos: I love the skinny little strips of them. |
I'm also starting to leave the irregularities left around the outside by the imperfect alignment of the frames in the stitching process, rather than cropping tightly and soemtimes losing an important area. |
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08/20/2013 01:26:17 PM · #25 |
I think they are pretty subjective really. I quite like borders on some of my images when they can work with the photograph. I think of them a bit like titles in that regard. Sometimes they compliment and sometimes they don't. I'm a bit partial to a big fat white border sometimes.
Here's an example...  ... To me that border works well with the image - the colour, mood, increasing the sense of isolation i was after etc.
I pretty much know that i will get some people who will dislike the border and that's fair enough, but i tend to view it as a whole. I tend to expect comments from people who don't like borders but often there are just as many who comment that they like them.
As a viewer there are many borders i dislike and i will take that into consideration when voting as well. So, yea, i may vote someone down because of a border-if it's a crappy ill-thought out one. But equally, i may bump a photo up in voting if the border works well and shows it is used because some thought has been put into it as opposed to just putting one on by rote.
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