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07/22/2013 12:42:05 PM · #1 |
| You'd think by now, the PD's would have gotten the word out to their officers that this crap is illegal |
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07/22/2013 01:12:28 PM · #2 |
| That's just good business sense. With Detroit filing for bankruptcy the PD's budget is going to take a big hit. iPhone + pawn shop = donuts. |
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07/22/2013 01:12:44 PM · #3 |
Just unreal. She's physically attacked by an unknown person, and arrested for a perfectly reasonable and rational reaction?
I'm honestly surprised the cop didn't start yelling 'stop resisting' and beat her into submission. |
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07/22/2013 01:30:29 PM · #4 |
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07/22/2013 01:36:19 PM · #5 |
| As per the Free Press article linked, the Detroit PD does have a difficult and sometimes thankless job to do. Nonetheless, this type of behavior is reprehensible, and I do hope they get taken to task for it. |
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07/22/2013 02:08:25 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
thats just not right |
The problem Adam, is that they're trained to handle all situations in the same manner you were taught to handle situations.
Arguably, the tactics which are appropriate on the battlefield are not appropriate at home, but it would seem that those in charge disagree.
What's really even more sad is that our police rely upon trickery, lies, deceit, force, and intimidation to do their jobs. And they wonder why they aren't respected by the public anymore!
Of course, the legal system is somewhat to blame, since evidence is rarely enough to convict, even in super clear cut cases.
Before I was born, the police were good guys, who were out to make the community a good place to live. Now they're just out to make arrests and get convictions. A very sad state of affairs really.
Message edited by author 2013-07-22 18:06:47. |
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07/22/2013 02:32:49 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Before I was born, the police were good guys, who were out to make the community a good place to live. Now they're just out to make arrests and get convictions. A very sad state of affairs really. |
Perhaps in Mayberry. I grew up in the '60s, and the points of contention between the public and police then were not all that different than they are now. My few interactions with our metro PD (Milwaukee, FWIW) in the late '70s and '80s did not impress me either. For example, in 1983, I had a 1-year-new Honda Gold Wing motorcycle stolen right out of my driveway. The attitude of the officer that responded was nothing short of "bored stiff." He could not have cared less about the loss, and pretty much laughed off any hope of recovery. |
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07/22/2013 02:56:38 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Before I was born, the police were good guys, who were out to make the community a good place to live. Now they're just out to make arrests and get convictions. A very sad state of affairs really. |
I was born before you and the police weren't any better then and perhaps were worse. When I was 19, one night on my way home from work I got pulled over, the PD told me, with guns drawn to get out of the car with my hands on my head, back to them etc. Once I was out of the car, I was knocked down, cuffed and left laying face down in the dirt while they rummaged through my car without my consent. Then I was pulled up to my feet, given a breathalyzer and a field sobriety test. Only after that was I released and sent on my way. All without any sort of apology or explanation, just a warning to "watch myself". |
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07/22/2013 06:04:56 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Cory:
Before I was born, the police were good guys, who were out to make the community a good place to live. Now they're just out to make arrests and get convictions. A very sad state of affairs really. |
I was born before you and the police weren't any better then and perhaps were worse. When I was 19, one night on my way home from work I got pulled over, the PD told me, with guns drawn to get out of the car with my hands on my head, back to them etc. Once I was out of the car, I was knocked down, cuffed and left laying face down in the dirt while they rummaged through my car without my consent. Then I was pulled up to my feet, given a breathalyzer and a field sobriety test. Only after that was I released and sent on my way. All without any sort of apology or explanation, just a warning to "watch myself". |
And those are the bad cops.
Some cops are good, maybe most of them even... It's just that it only takes a few groups like this to really wreak havoc, and there is an unfortunate tendency (understandable perhaps) of the police to protect their own.
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Funny enough, I just spend a very nice lunch hour enjoying a beer and conversation with a Massachussets police officer about this very subject. It was pretty clear that he was one of the better officers on the force... Then again, he was a detective, and I don't think the bad ones get promoted to that level all too often.
In all honesty, I've had a huge number of problems with patrol officers, mostly because they were overly aggressive, and didn't know the law. But I've never had anything but professional and polite conversations with detectives. In fact, the secret service was the most pleasant government organization that I've ever had dealings with, super professional.
The problem is simple, uneducated aggressive patrol officers who are less than concerned with the law, and more concerned with enforcement. Fix that problem and much of this is a non-issue.
Of course SWAT teams are needed. Violating citizen's rights isn't needed, nor is overly aggressive and destructive tactical policy. With that being said, it is a tough job, but it's time that some balance was brought back to the table - the police should be more than just simple enforcers. |
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07/22/2013 09:28:41 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
and pretty much laughed off any hope of recovery. |
Did you get it back? What was the insurance pay-out?
;)
Message edited by author 2013-07-22 21:29:18. |
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07/22/2013 10:03:57 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by CEJ:
Originally posted by kirbic:
and pretty much laughed off any hope of recovery. |
Did you get it back? What was the insurance pay-out?
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Nope, never saw it again. A month later, a co-worker put his '83 up for sale, it was the top-end model and had every bell & whistle. I took the insurance payout, added some cash and bought it. Rode it for the next seven seasons. |
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07/22/2013 10:09:14 PM · #12 |
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07/23/2013 07:45:29 AM · #13 |
| I got my car back when it got stolen in Los Angeles. They had stripped it of valuable parts, driven it out to an industrial area by the RR tracks, and torched it. Needless to say it was totaled by the insurance company. |
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