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05/13/2013 05:46:34 AM · #1 |
Hi everybody,
Up to this day I'm not entirely sure how the "Structure" sliders in Silver Efex actually work so I don't know if they would be allowed under Basic Editing rules.
My feeling is that they're not since I think they involve finding the "edges" in the image, but it doesn't hurt to ask.
Finally got back to photography and I pledged to participate in challenges so it would be a shame to get my account suspended from the start :)
Cheers,
Cristian |
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05/13/2013 06:06:50 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by Utopian:
Hi everybody,
Up to this day I'm not entirely sure how the "Structure" sliders in Silver Efex actually work so I don't know if they would be allowed under Basic Editing rules.
My feeling is that they're not since I think they involve finding the "edges" in the image, but it doesn't hurt to ask.
Finally got back to photography and I pledged to participate in challenges so it would be a shame to get my account suspended from the start :)
Cheers,
Cristian |
I feel they are allowed - as long as you use the global sliders. I'd go further and say you can even use those that effect just highlights, just midtones or just shadows. Control points are a no-no.
Sliders are somewhat selective but they aren't spot edits. I see them as being similar to curves manipulation or colour channel manipulation for selective desaturation - all legal in basic.
There are other dangers in Silver Efex though - many of the default filters apply vignettes or 'edge burns' - these need to be removed from those default setting to be legal.
[edited for typos]
Message edited by author 2013-05-13 12:17:05. |
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05/13/2013 09:41:51 AM · #3 |
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05/13/2013 11:09:34 AM · #4 |
Yes, structure (a.k.a. Tonemapping) is allowed. At one time it wasn't, but it's been a few years now. I think one of my own images was part of what made the site council examine the rules on this.
I used the "clarify" adjustment that is built into PaintShop Pro. Someone challenged it as a potential rules violation and the SC validated the image. A couple of weeks later, there was an announcement that tonemapping and other effects plugins were allowed as long as they were used globally and did not get taken to extremes. I haven't seen anything DQ'd for taking it to the extreme, however and some of us have pushed the limits.
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05/13/2013 11:41:32 AM · #5 |
| so if someone were to use topaz B&W to simply take from color to B&W and not do any spot selections, would that be acceptable as well? or is that still a no-go and i should stick to sliders/curves/levels/contrast/hue/saturation adjustments manually? (which essentially would be the same thing topaz b&w would do, just more effectively for time) |
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05/13/2013 12:45:15 PM · #6 |
| Thank you all! This was very helpful. See you in challenges ;) |
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05/13/2013 01:04:07 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by RyanW:
so if someone were to use topaz B&W to simply take from color to B&W and not do any spot selections, would that be acceptable as well? |
Yes.
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05/13/2013 05:56:34 PM · #8 |
| in basic editing, whatever editing you do much be done the the entire image. any editing (except sensor dust and hot pixels) that allows you to "spot" edit or apply a selection or mask is prohibited. |
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05/13/2013 06:55:42 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Mike:
in basic editing, whatever editing you do much be done the the entire image. any editing (except sensor dust and hot pixels) that allows you to "spot" edit or apply a selection or mask is prohibited. |
Yes, what you say is true. But, when one recovers details in the highlights or adjusts the black point to regain detail in blocked-up shadows, those global adjustments affect certain tonal ranges more than others. Certainly, the same phenomenon occurs with mild toning. One can apply the affect globally, but the "ink" is affected differently than the "paper". I'm not saying this type of thing should not be allowed. I am saying it's possible to fine tune an image without making selections. It's one of the powerful features of making adjustments on RAW images. There is a lot of information available in the RAW file which is not necessarily apparent in the LCD or computer preview. |
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05/13/2013 07:32:28 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by Mike:
in basic editing, whatever editing you do much be done the the entire image. any editing (except sensor dust and hot pixels) that allows you to "spot" edit or apply a selection or mask is prohibited. |
Yes, what you say is true. But, when one recovers details in the highlights or adjusts the black point to regain detail in blocked-up shadows, those global adjustments affect certain tonal ranges more than others. Certainly, the same phenomenon occurs with mild toning. One can apply the affect globally, but the "ink" is affected differently than the "paper". I'm not saying this type of thing should not be allowed. I am saying it's possible to fine tune an image without making selections. It's one of the powerful features of making adjustments on RAW images. There is a lot of information available in the RAW file which is not necessarily apparent in the LCD or computer preview. |
Yep. Perfectly legal. You just can't physically place a selection or mask. If you know how to manipulate basic editing, its to your advantage. |
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