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01/02/2013 03:59:32 PM · #1
The yellow ribbon image was disqualifed for combining two images and for extending the canvas on the entry. Congratulations to the new yellow ribbon winner!
01/02/2013 04:47:22 PM · #2
Man that sucks... clearly outside the rules, but why is that still illegal in Advanced? Isn't it still a single scene? ;-)
01/02/2013 06:09:57 PM · #3
Each person was a separate image, combined to make the resulting image. Can't reasonably call it a "single scene"
01/02/2013 06:58:48 PM · #4
Newbies!

01/02/2013 07:19:44 PM · #5
one of the problems i see is that DPC teaches that perfect image 100% clean etc is the only way to go and that post processing has to be done regardless and a lot of it is the only way to win ribbons, its unfortunate that this becomes the normal thing and of course then new people or people who do not wish to try to capture in one go and do as little post processing as possible, sometimes its nice, but this site while it can be helpful to people to start with it also teaches very restrictive thought and so people who dont learn their camera craft become photoshop junkies and it ends like this. im of the opnion that PP is a means to give a picture a little sparkle not to make the photo. if your aiming for corporate or advertising photography etc or fashion then PP is a must to make it perfect then aim for that, but to be honest its all too easy to resort to PP and get yourself DQ on here... even one of the ribboners this time around has used heavy amounts of processing, which probably could have been done with less and didnt need to be done imo.

Message edited by author 2013-01-02 19:20:18.
01/02/2013 07:22:43 PM · #6
Originally posted by GAP2012:

one of the problems i see is that DPC teaches that perfect image 100% clean etc is the only way to go and that post processing has to be done regardless and a lot of it is the only way to win ribbons, its unfortunate that this becomes the normal thing and of course then new people or people who do not wish to try to capture in one go and do as little post processing as possible, sometimes its nice, but this site while it can be helpful to people to start with it also teaches very restrictive thought and so people who dont learn their camera craft become photoshop junkies and it ends like this. im of the opnion that PP is a means to give a picture a little sparkle not to make the photo. if your aiming for corporate or advertising photography etc or fashion then PP is a must to make it perfect then aim for that, but to be honest its all too easy to resort to PP and get yourself DQ on here... even one of the ribboners this time around has used heavy amounts of processing, which probably could have been done with less and didnt need to be done imo.

This is not about post processing, the DQ was about creating a scene that wasn't there to begin with.

If you want to decry photoshop as evil, just go to one of the hundreds of threads already started on this subject and type away.

A pity about the DQ, I liked the shot and thought it was a creative take on the challenge.

Message edited by author 2013-01-02 19:23:40.
01/02/2013 07:32:20 PM · #7
Just want to give kudos for getting to this so quickly (and thus giving someone some front page time). I haven't seen a DQ this fast in a long time!
01/02/2013 07:37:57 PM · #8
Originally posted by bassbone:



If you want to decry photoshop as evil, just go to one of the hundreds of threads already started on this subject and type away.

A pity about the DQ, I liked the shot and thought it was a creative take on the challenge.


no im not saying photoshop is evil, lol, its not that at all, you missed my point that post processing which includes putting multiple images or extending the image in this case is still post processing, it doesnt matter its a composite, that still is post processing that isnt just simple adjustment of the original images light balance and is actually adjusting the image in an way thats not part of the original photo, its always going to look like you did more than you needed too. im advocating that people should want to get the image in one take using their camera skill and more forethought into the image than rely on post processing and fall into the trap of having it DQ becuase they either didnt understand or tried harder to fool the system... thats a valuable lesson for anyone on here..
01/02/2013 07:53:30 PM · #9
Oh dear, sorry for all the fuss- I guess 'newbie' sums it up- definitely a proper read of the rules required for next time. Particularly apologies to Alexkc who should have been on the front page from the beginning.
01/02/2013 07:59:42 PM · #10
Pity on the DQ, I quite liked the image :-) But rules are rules, so learn them well young Jedi!
01/02/2013 08:04:00 PM · #11
Originally posted by chriscooper:

Oh dear, sorry for all the fuss- I guess 'newbie' sums it up- definitely a proper read of the rules required for next time. Particularly apologies to Alexkc who should have been on the front page from the beginning.


Now that's class. Congrats to Alex and good luck to you, Chris, for future entries - though from the looks of the first two, I don't think you will need much luck - just time :) Welcome aboard and I look forward to the time when you take the membership plunge and can participate in more of the challenges :)
01/02/2013 08:04:18 PM · #12
Originally posted by frisca:

Each person was a separate image, combined to make the resulting image. Can't reasonably call it a "single scene"


Ah, yes, that would be clearly a composite.
01/02/2013 08:06:34 PM · #13
Originally posted by GAP2012:



im advocating that people should want to get the image in one take using their camera skill and more forethought into the image than rely on post processing and fall into the trap of having it DQ becuase they either didnt understand or tried harder to fool the system... thats a valuable lesson for anyone on here..


i advocate that you should let people enjoy photography however it is they do, that's the valuable lesson here.

its a contest site with rules to keep things on a even playing field, its by no means the end all on how to enjoy photography.

Message edited by author 2013-01-02 20:19:14.
01/02/2013 08:07:20 PM · #14
Originally posted by chriscooper:

Oh dear, sorry for all the fuss- I guess 'newbie' sums it up- definitely a proper read of the rules required for next time. Particularly apologies to Alexkc who should have been on the front page from the beginning.


we've all broken them, heck we all still do.
01/02/2013 08:17:33 PM · #15
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by GAP2012:




its a contest site with rules to keep things on a even playing field, its by no means the end all on how to enjoy photography.

Jeepers, Mike_311, sometimes you say the nicest things!
:)
01/02/2013 08:22:52 PM · #16
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by GAP2012:



im advocating that people should want to get the image in one take using their camera skill and more forethought into the image than rely on post processing and fall into the trap of having it DQ becuase they either didnt understand or tried harder to fool the system... thats a valuable lesson for anyone on here..


i advocate that you should let people enjoy photography however it is they do, that the valuable lesson here.

its a contest site with rules to keep things on a even playing field, its by no means the end all on how to enjoy photography.


not trying to stop people enjoying anything, far from it and your sentiments are admirable... I think enjoying photography should be and is very rewarding And i liked the image too its a real shame. Just trying to discuss the merits of how to achieve that better and not fall into the DQ trap by doing more in camera and in pre-planning than the alternative that is more of a compositing technique than photographic process... merits of less than more... not personal.. all good and thanks

Message edited by author 2013-01-02 20:51:22.
01/02/2013 08:23:56 PM · #17
Originally posted by sfalice:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by GAP2012:




its a contest site with rules to keep things on a even playing field, its by no means the end all on how to enjoy photography.

Jeepers, Mike_311, sometimes you say the nicest things!
:)


:O) lol ;O)
01/03/2013 12:46:46 AM · #18
Originally posted by chriscooper:

Particularly apologies to Alexkc who should have been on the front page from the beginning.


Don't worry Chris, you're very kind :)

We all have done some mistakes with rules but it's painful when it happens after winning a ribbon. But considering how clever was your shot you'll get some ribbons very soon!

01/03/2013 01:58:12 AM · #19
Originally posted by GAP2012:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by GAP2012:



im advocating that people should want to get the image in one take using their camera skill and more forethought into the image than rely on post processing and fall into the trap of having it DQ becuase they either didnt understand or tried harder to fool the system... thats a valuable lesson for anyone on here..


i advocate that you should let people enjoy photography however it is they do, that the valuable lesson here.

its a contest site with rules to keep things on a even playing field, its by no means the end all on how to enjoy photography.


not trying to stop people enjoying anything, far from it and your sentiments are admirable... I think enjoying photography should be and is very rewarding And i liked the image too its a real shame. Just trying to discuss the merits of how to achieve that better and not fall into the DQ trap by doing more in camera and in pre-planning than the alternative that is more of a compositing technique than photographic process... merits of less than more... not personal.. all good and thanks


it all very well spouting this mantra about getting it right in camera etc, which a lot of new members think ppl do it all in post(this excuses their own lack of ability, been there done that) but if you havent got it right first time in camera you are never going to get a good shot from a poor raw, post is about tweaking the raw shot to get the best from it as you see it.

and why limit creativeness, if there is only one of you how do you get this shot right in camera? cut an arm and a leg off and tape them to the door frame? yeah this time he didnt read the rules but still a great idea and a great shot

sorry michelangelo you cant paint the sistine chapel ceiling like that because it not what i saw on my walk in the piaza today..... haha

Message edited by author 2013-01-03 01:58:43.
01/03/2013 02:39:36 AM · #20
Originally posted by Alexkc:

Originally posted by chriscooper:

Particularly apologies to Alexkc who should have been on the front page from the beginning.


Don't worry Chris, you're very kind :)

We all have done some mistakes with rules but it's painful when it happens after winning a ribbon. But considering how clever was your shot you'll get some ribbons very soon!


I agree every Alex's word, you're not the first and you will not be the last who made this error here, but i'm pretty sure that you will show us something special very soon! Composite are not allowed with this rules, so DQ is correct, but i really like your shot for the atmosphere you've created.
01/03/2013 04:18:15 AM · #21
Originally posted by Giles_uk:



sorry michelangelo you cant paint the sistine chapel ceiling like that because it not what i saw on my walk in the piaza today..... haha


:O)
01/03/2013 07:52:32 AM · #22
Originally posted by Giles_uk:



it all very well spouting this mantra about getting it right in camera etc, which a lot of new members think ppl do it all in post(this excuses their own lack of ability, been there done that) but if you havent got it right first time in camera you are never going to get a good shot from a poor raw, post is about tweaking the raw shot to get the best from it as you see it.

and why limit creativeness, if there is only one of you how do you get this shot right in camera? cut an arm and a leg off and tape them to the door frame? yeah this time he didnt read the rules but still a great idea and a great shot

sorry michelangelo you cant paint the sistine chapel ceiling like that because it not what i saw on my walk in the piaza today..... haha


i agree, there are folks who will rip the style of gyaban for shots while swooning over the tonemapping and overcooked topaz images, which are equally as unrealistic, however one methods is much easier to do. I appreciate the image, not how it got there.

Chris's image was done very well, he envisioned his shot and wasn't able to see it trough without creating a composite. I'll tell you know that shot would have been a heck of lot easier with two models than to try to put it together in post from separate shots. I'll never understand the fear of Photoshop. It's just another tool people use to create their images. Its not pure maybe, but photoshop has knocked down the barrier to creating amazing images that would otherwise be extremely expensive or impossible to stage.

The point is to create an amazing picture, who cares how we get there?

Message edited by author 2013-01-03 07:53:06.
01/03/2013 07:59:43 AM · #23
Originally posted by GiorgioBaruffi:

...Composite are not allowed with this rules, so DQ is correct, but i really like your shot for the atmosphere you've created.


Well, in a sense composites are allowed under advanced editing...you can submit up to 10 captures of an image so long as you don't change the composition, just mess with exposure etc.

But frankly I'm not a fan of multiple captures, unless you're going hawg wild in an Expert challenge, where pretty much anything goes. I side with the single-capture crowd and using PS only to bring out the best in an image.

Would love to see more Minimal challenges, but don't want to hijack the thread.
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