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12/23/2012 10:08:57 AM · #1 |
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12/23/2012 10:15:40 AM · #2 |
| Wow! OK! Photographing...not shooting strangers. |
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12/23/2012 10:20:16 AM · #3 |
| Nice article accompanied by some very enjoyable street photography. Thanks for the link. |
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12/23/2012 10:29:53 AM · #4 |
| Headed out now but I bookmarked it for later. ;) |
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12/23/2012 10:42:00 AM · #5 |
why is all street photography B/W, clearly its look really good, but why? its it just because it removes the color distraction?
by the way this is something i wish i did more of when i had my 60D, with the swivel screen. it much harder to do with out it. |
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12/23/2012 10:42:21 AM · #6 |
| Thanks for that,nice images an all. |
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12/23/2012 10:49:49 AM · #7 |
| The article read rather generically to me but the photographs were absolutely worth the read!!! Thanks for posting. |
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12/23/2012 11:00:57 AM · #8 |
| i quite enjoy street photography, and the key IMO is to shoot candid, hence while i appreciate the ethical aspect, street wouldn't be street if not candid! But some lovely pics in there, the lighting is awesome.. Thanks for sharing!!:-) |
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12/23/2012 11:04:01 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by hihosilver:
The article read rather generically to me but the photographs were absolutely worth the read!!! Thanks for posting. |
Yeah, the photography was pretty good, but the article wasn't. |
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12/23/2012 11:18:19 AM · #10 |
double post
Message edited by author 2012-12-23 11:19:03. |
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12/23/2012 11:18:19 AM · #11 |
Oh, the horror, the inhumanity. What is wrong with this world! GUN CONTROL!!!
Oh... nevermind...
Cool images
Message edited by author 2012-12-23 11:18:37. |
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12/23/2012 11:23:25 AM · #12 |
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12/23/2012 01:30:08 PM · #13 |
Great article. My problem is, I like getting in people's faces, I like controversy and then capturing that moment when people finally snap. :)
I type this as I'm sticking my lens someone's face in the middle of 5th ave in NYC:).
Candids are great but so are reactions when people see you.
Message edited by author 2012-12-23 13:31:03. |
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12/23/2012 01:40:56 PM · #14 |
| Saw this article on Zite. I like a number of pictures, but I never really get into the "random person walking" shot unless it has transcendent lighting. The first, second, and last fall in this category. On the other hand, I really enjoy the third and fourth shots. |
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12/23/2012 01:59:49 PM · #15 |
| Every time before I take a picture of someone on the streets I ask myself one question. If this person sees me taking their photo is it going to ruin their day? When I decided to try street photography out I had the Bruce Gilden mentality, but when I actually hit the streets I realized that is the stupidest way if going about taking street photographs. I'm a photographer and want to show beauty in the mundane. I don't want to be the cause of someone having their mood turned to sh#t, so I stay as stealth as possible. What isn't seen won't annoy, and I'm not out to annoy people. |
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12/23/2012 03:29:50 PM · #16 |
I try my best not to annoy people but sometimes there is a unique shot that I just need to at least attempt.
A lot of the getting in your face attitude I usually keep to NYC though |
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12/28/2012 01:47:24 AM · #17 |
If you take a 'candid' shot of me in the street and publish my image without my permission TRUST ME I will sue you for infringement of my rights.
Just think how the face of 'journalism' would change if the press had to pay to use your image, which quite frankly I think they should. My image belongs to me. It is uniquely identifiably MINE and if you are going to use it to make money then pay me for it. You can't just take any other unique work I produce and use it without permission, and my image is the ultimate unique 'work'. There is not one single other person on the planet that looks exactly like me. |
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12/28/2012 05:25:43 AM · #18 |
I haven't done any street photography, I suppose because 1) I feel I am still too clumsy with the camera, but 2) I don't think I have that "chutzpha" that is needed.
I do feel though, that the article brings up some interesting points.
...."I don’t think it’s so much lack of chutzpah as the feeling that it may not be socially acceptable or ethically appropriate in various situations; photographing beggars and cripples is one of those things. Using people to portray contrasts or as anonymous human-scale elements in a frame is fine, but the one golden rule I stick to is that I’ll never take a shot that’s demeaning or potentially defamatory. You wouldn’t want the somebody to do the same to you, would you?...
We have many really poor people here in South Africa and many beggars. Is it not a form of documenting our social structure to take pictures of the poor? ... I am merely asking, thinking out loud if you will.
Alternatively, would it be more acceptable to give the beggar money in exchange for the photograph? (and I am talking amateur photographs here, not professionals who make money out of the picture in the end). There are pictures doing the internet rounds of beggars with their dogs - sleeping, cuddling,... soul touching.
I have seen truly horrific pictures of merely the feet of people working on rubbish dumps, sifting through rubbish (trash for the USA?). Isn't one of the aims of photography to be thought provoking? To shock? To kick the viewer out of their own little comfort zone?
While I look at the pictures of the article, and I can appreciate their photographic prowess, I probably will have forgotten them by tomorrow. Is that what we want to achieve with our pictures?
I am not saying every image of street photography has to aim straight at the viewer's concience, but at the same time, I don't think those types of images should be excluded.
I agree that a photographer has to tread carefully where cultural taboo's are concerned - be they religious or otherwise. Having said that, I grew up in East Africa. The tribes there, at the time, usually did not want pictures taken. However, often my dad (purely an amateur), could talk them into allowing some pics. Looking at them now, and comparing their "culture" today, with those pictures of years ago, makes me sad. How good to have the historical documentation of the change of times.
As to showing the subject in the best light ... hmmm ... perhaps portrait photography fits that better than street photography? People in a rush, people having a verbal fight, people showing their misgiving about something that is happening around them ... those subjects will probably not be in the "best light", but a photograph of them documents a moment in time. Must we really be so PC (politically correct) and exclude all that from street photography? and if so, where does that leave us?
... as I said, I thought it was a thought provoking article :-) (and I am sure many of you will argue with me ... that's OK, as long as you don't take a pic while we argue and post it without my permission ;-))
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12/28/2012 05:31:46 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by PW321:
If you take a 'candid' shot of me in the street and publish my image without my permission TRUST ME I will sue you for infringement of my rights. |
Sorry, I don't know you well enough ... is this supposed to be tongue in cheek?
If not, and you mean it .... where exactly do you live and which rights do you have that will protect you? I am asking, not saying you are wrong, just curious. I live in a country that apparently is supposed to have the most progressive constitution in the world (you hear my choice of words ;-)), and I am not sure any part of it protects me from having my image published in a photograph ... but I may be terribly wrong of course.
In fact I would be delighted if you could let me know, because being actively involved in a Sport, my image gets used from time to time in magazines. I seldom have been asked permission ... Maybe I can sue all those magazines and finally retire ;-)
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12/28/2012 06:01:44 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by kasaba:
Originally posted by PW321:
If you take a 'candid' shot of me in the street and publish my image without my permission TRUST ME I will sue you for infringement of my rights. |
Sorry, I don't know you well enough ... is this supposed to be tongue in cheek?
If not, and you mean it .... where exactly do you live and which rights do you have that will protect you? I am asking, not saying you are wrong, just curious. I live in a country that apparently is supposed to have the most progressive constitution in the world (you hear my choice of words ;-)), and I am not sure any part of it protects me from having my image published in a photograph ... but I may be terribly wrong of course.
In fact I would be delighted if you could let me know, because being actively involved in a Sport, my image gets used from time to time in magazines. I seldom have been asked permission ... Maybe I can sue all those magazines and finally retire ;-) |
Actually you can copyright your image and name - you would need to speak to a copyright lawyer for the specifics but it can be done. Useful to protect your rights if your image is being used or potentially will be used to advertise anything.
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12/28/2012 08:14:39 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by PW321:
If you take a 'candid' shot of me in the street and publish my image without my permission TRUST ME I will sue you for infringement of my rights. |
Not in Ontario.
Come visit Toronto and let me know where you'll be standing. I'll be more than happy to enlighten you on the laws in my province.
edit - Sorry, the definition of publish, in the context that you're using it, is important. If you simply mean putting the image online, you're shit out of luck. If I sell or make any monetary profit of an image where you're the prominent subject, you're correct.
In Ontario though, the precedent currently set in law is less then the monies I've made off the photo. No court has ever awarded more, and it's usually quite less then that amount.
Message edited by author 2012-12-28 08:18:56. |
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12/28/2012 08:34:41 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by PW321:
If you take a 'candid' shot of me in the street and publish my image without my permission TRUST ME I will sue you for infringement of my rights.
Just think how the face of 'journalism' would change if the press had to pay to use your image, which quite frankly I think they should. My image belongs to me. It is uniquely identifiably MINE and if you are going to use it to make money then pay me for it. You can't just take any other unique work I produce and use it without permission, and my image is the ultimate unique 'work'. There is not one single other person on the planet that looks exactly like me. |
in order to sue you need to prove some sort of loss or hardship. good luck. a simple request for take down should suffice.
when you are in public you have no privacy so if everyone could see you, how can you sue if
everyone can now can see you? |
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12/28/2012 09:35:03 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by PW321:
If you take a 'candid' shot of me in the street and publish my image without my permission TRUST ME I will sue you for infringement of my rights.
Just think how the face of 'journalism' would change if the press had to pay to use your image, which quite frankly I think they should. My image belongs to me. It is uniquely identifiably MINE and if you are going to use it to make money then pay me for it. You can't just take any other unique work I produce and use it without permission, and my image is the ultimate unique 'work'. There is not one single other person on the planet that looks exactly like me. |
in order to sue you need to prove some sort of loss or hardship. good luck. a simple request for take down should suffice.
when you are in public you have no privacy so if everyone could see you, how can you sue if
everyone can now can see you? |
As a victim of misuse of a camera when I was a child (draw your own conclusions I won't go into more detail than that) I take any use of a camera to take photos of me without my direct and expressly given permission very seriously. |
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12/28/2012 09:38:49 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by PW321:
As a victim of misuse of a camera when I was a child (draw your own conclusions I won't go into more detail than that) I take any use of a camera to take photos of me without my direct and expressly given permission very seriously. |
That you may, but the law isn't on your side in most states or provinces. If you're in public, you're fair game to be shot (with a camera), and there's nothing you can do about it unless they make monetary gains off the photo. |
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12/28/2012 10:14:30 AM · #25 |
(In the US) only the publisher of the photo requires a model release for advertising, the photographer doesn't have to have one.
now if you hired a photographer they cant just show your picture everywhere, they need your permission and its usually given in the contract you sign).
so, i could take your picture all day long (if you didn't pay me to) on the street and there is pretty much nothing you can do so long as i dont slander you in anyway when i show it.
not to be a smart ass, but that's the way it is. i realize you may be sensitive to having your picture taken and honestly if you convey that to the person taking it i'm confidant most people would respect your wishes, but just remember there isn't anything you can do about it, so being nice is probably the best course of action for you. |
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