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10/29/2012 05:55:14 PM · #1 |
Saw this interesting device: www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcFSA7N8Pmc which basically acts like a slave flash over your license plate.
I suspect it would only be a matter of time before they make these illegal. I've gotten one ticket from a traffic camera in the past for rolling through during a right-on-red situation. |
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10/29/2012 10:19:01 PM · #2 |
My wife got one in LFP a month ago and then I got one the following week. They were in a new area for us to drive where our son just moved. By time we got the first one in the mail to warn us I had already gotten the second. Both were for doing 29 in a school zone on a road that there is o school on! The school is actually on a side street. There were no flashing warning lights, no children present. They are just made to be active from 7 AM to 4:30 PM weekdays.
For the cost of the two tickets I could have bought one (if they were available). |
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10/29/2012 10:28:37 PM · #3 |
So what ever happened to being able to face/question your accuser? Do they bring the camera in to court?
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10/29/2012 10:34:13 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
So what ever happened to being able to face/question your accuser? Do they bring the camera in to court? |
The way they make it legal here is that the private vendor sets up and runs the system from out of state. They then send the photo to a local police officer who reviews it and signs off. The out of state private firm then bills you and collects for the city, skimming off a large chuck. The courts have ruled it legal so they are getting more prevalent all the time as they are money factories. You can challenge it but they are very hard to beat. |
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10/29/2012 10:46:47 PM · #5 |
| it's getting ridiculous out there. NC just put in a toll road between raleigh and durham WITHOUT ANY TOLL BOOTHS! if you have their electronic pass, you zip right through. without it, they snap your plate and send you a bill, telling you how much you would have saved if you had bought their pass. MFAH, they are. don't pay in 30 days, they double the fine, don't pay in 60 and they put a lien against your plate and license in your home state, preventing your from renewing anything until you pay the fine and no-pay penalties. |
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10/30/2012 03:06:13 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
Originally posted by vawendy:
So what ever happened to being able to face/question your accuser? Do they bring the camera in to court? |
The way they make it legal here is that the private vendor sets up and runs the system from out of state. They then send the photo to a local police officer who reviews it and signs off. The out of state private firm then bills you and collects for the city, skimming off a large chuck. The courts have ruled it legal so they are getting more prevalent all the time as they are money factories. You can challenge it but they are very hard to beat. |
If I remember, they also make it so if you just pay the fine, it doesn't show/count as a violation on your driving record. But if you challenge it and lose, it will. A mild form of extortion. And yes, the out-of-state companies that run the program collect a bunch of money, as does the municipality. There have also been studies that show the cameras actually make things less safe, giving rise to the argument that this has nothing to do with law enforcement. |
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10/30/2012 04:11:56 AM · #7 |
| They have them out here, as well. It's the one and only speeding ticket I've ever gotten (not to say I don't speed, however, particularly in the mountains). Here you can pay them with zero points and just a fine as an early payment or you can wait and have points and the cost deducted. I've never understood these sort of devices though... when I speed, I know I speed. I've never been angry at a cop for pulling me over when I know I've violated a law. It's when they're just hassling that torques me off... |
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10/30/2012 06:26:48 AM · #8 |
Umm, I'll be the party pooper... How about not running red lights or speeding and you won't have to worry about getting a tic (either by a camera or a real person)... Just saying.
Message edited by author 2012-10-30 06:27:20. |
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10/30/2012 07:34:06 AM · #9 |
We've had them in the uk for ten years at first they got lots of people, me inc when I was a younger man.
And I'm a good driver, I drive 25000 miles a year in everything from my 4x4 truck to big tractors and trailers to diggers to hgv 40 ton wagons and I've slowed down so much since my boy was born, it's do much nicer and calmer driving experience. I used to be a fast aggressive driver, did race track days, did 175mph in the uk on the road that's 105mph over the limit done 200mph in my time in Munich.
And you what it ain't worth it, keep that for on the track seen to many bad car crashes and the tought of losing my license etc means I'm generally stick to 5-10mph of the limit now, doesn't add any time to my journey and more relaxing.
Funny I quite like plodding along in my jcb 3cx (I believe you Americans call them back hoes) at 25mph the worlds much more peaceful and ignore all the ppl up my arse, they don't seem to realise I'm going as fast as I can and 1 ton of European hatchback no matter how close you drive doesn't intimidate 8 tons of solid steel digger
My last ticket 7 years ago was 33mph in a 30 at 3.30 am with not another car on the road, yeah a cop wouldn't have bothered but cameras just work on their programming
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10/30/2012 07:43:21 AM · #10 |
i'm still waiting for the day when they review the time stamps on the turnpike receipts do the math and then fine anyone who got there too soon.
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10/30/2012 07:55:25 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
i'm still waiting for the day when they review the time stamps on the turnpike receipts do the math and then fine anyone who got there too soon. |
Averaging cameras are becoming quite common in the UK - a repeated series of pairs of cameras, usually on main roads that a history of bad crashes, work out the vehicles speed over a number of miles. |
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10/30/2012 08:48:59 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by SaraR:
Originally posted by mike_311:
i'm still waiting for the day when they review the time stamps on the turnpike receipts do the math and then fine anyone who got there too soon. |
Averaging cameras are becoming quite common in the UK - a repeated series of pairs of cameras, usually on main roads that a history of bad crashes, work out the vehicles speed over a number of miles. |
When I was last in Canberra, I learned about the new averaging cameras for a road that goes over a hill with a long slope, that was notorious for speeding (80km/h limit). What was really funny was that the traffic authority complained that their revenue was massively reduced because people were slowing down! |
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10/30/2012 09:04:45 AM · #13 |
Yeah the average cameras are getting every where they work really well because you can't speed because everyone else has slowed down, the m1 widening up by Nottingham has had them for years. But I've never heard from anyone who's ever got a ticket from them, and me thinks the logistics of wiring in and computer all the data everytime they move the road works eyc not to mention
Monitoring the average speed of 1 vehicle on a 3 lane motorway with exits and jubctions would require a real clever algorithm to account for lane changes missed readings from being behind a truck etc. think it's a giant plaseabo that works really well :) |
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10/30/2012 09:31:18 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Giles_uk:
Yeah the average cameras are getting every where they work really well because you can't speed because everyone else has slowed down, the m1 widening up by Nottingham has had them for years. But I've never heard from anyone who's ever got a ticket from them, and me thinks the logistics of wiring in and computer all the data everytime they move the road works eyc not to mention
Monitoring the average speed of 1 vehicle on a 3 lane motorway with exits and jubctions would require a real clever algorithm to account for lane changes missed readings from being behind a truck etc. think it's a giant plaseabo that works really well :) |
on a toll road, where my electronic pass registers when i get on the road and registers where i exit. no advanced algorithms required, if its 65 miles between exits and it only takes me 50mins. ticket issued.
lets hope they never start this. |
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10/30/2012 09:44:00 AM · #15 |
Been wondering the same thing on the NYS Thurway. Would be simple to do.
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Giles_uk:
Yeah the average cameras are getting every where they work really well because you can't speed because everyone else has slowed down, the m1 widening up by Nottingham has had them for years. But I've never heard from anyone who's ever got a ticket from them, and me thinks the logistics of wiring in and computer all the data everytime they move the road works eyc not to mention
Monitoring the average speed of 1 vehicle on a 3 lane motorway with exits and jubctions would require a real clever algorithm to account for lane changes missed readings from being behind a truck etc. think it's a giant plaseabo that works really well :) |
on a toll road, where my electronic pass registers when i get on the road and registers where i exit. no advanced algorithms required, if its 65 miles between exits and it only takes me 50mins. ticket issued.
lets hope they never start this. |
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10/30/2012 12:47:30 PM · #16 |
Or.... ride a bicycle...
cycling in holland
thought you might like this |
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10/30/2012 02:44:25 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by The_Tourist:
Umm, I'll be the party pooper... How about not running red lights or speeding and you won't have to worry about getting a tic (either by a camera or a real person)... Just saying. |
A friend of mine just got a ticket in the mail a couple of weeks ago. He had run a red light in a city he has never been in (in a STATE he's never been to), driving a car that looks nothing like his with a license plate number that is not even similar to his.
What would your advice be to him? (tongue in cheek, of course) |
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10/30/2012 02:51:13 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by The_Tourist:
Umm, I'll be the party pooper... How about not running red lights or speeding and you won't have to worry about getting a tic (either by a camera or a real person)... Just saying. |
A friend of mine just got a ticket in the mail a couple of weeks ago. He had run a red light in a city he has never been in (in a STATE he's never been to), driving a car that looks nothing like his with a license plate number that is not even similar to his.
What would your advice be to him? (tongue in cheek, of course) |
Ignore it, I wouldn't bother with it unless they tried to pull my license, keep the record though, just in case, so he can prove it's not him. Of course, that's extremely unfortunate for the poor bastard they were TRYING to send this to, as it probably means he's gonna get nailed with a 2x fine, or a loss of privilege if they send the next notice to the wrong address.
Message edited by author 2012-10-30 14:52:05. |
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10/30/2012 04:56:24 PM · #19 |
| Are these cameras bulletproof? |
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10/30/2012 05:02:06 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Are these cameras bulletproof? |
Nope... Lots of reports of that method of citizen decommissioning.
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10/30/2012 05:27:11 PM · #21 |
I once had to pay for a roll of film for one of those cameras when I was stationed in Germany. (before digital really took off) I was in a military truck (a HEMMIT if any1 cares) and driving for 2 days strait doing ammo runs. It was prob around midnight and I pulled up too close to a redlight and saw the flash...so I backed up and pulled forward many times....I didn't get a ticket but at the time a roll of film was $110 US dollars
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10/30/2012 05:51:30 PM · #22 |
| I still believe the best method I have heard about is that expanding foam injected into the box the cowards hide the camera in (in the link above I would love to see a car full of that stuff :-)). I fail to understand why the cowards are allowed to use cameras - I guess too many sheep that just take whatever....... If you have not detected it, I'm against them :-) |
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10/30/2012 06:22:06 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by robs:
I still believe the best method I have heard about is that expanding foam injected into the box the cowards hide the camera in (in the link above I would love to see a car full of that stuff :-)). I fail to understand why the cowards are allowed to use cameras - I guess too many sheep that just take whatever....... If you have not detected it, I'm against them :-) |
Life is simple... drive the speed limit and stop at red lights.\
Voila.. problem solved.
Ray |
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10/30/2012 09:19:39 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
i'm still waiting for the day when they review the time stamps on the turnpike receipts do the math and then fine anyone who got there too soon. |
They used to do this about 30 years ago. They would allow a secret number of "grace" minutes for clock synchronization errors. In those days, (in Kansas) you would get a slip with the location and time stamp when you got on, and when you got off you had best not get there too soon. Since the entrances and exits are fixed points, all that was needed was the minimum elapsed time. If I remember correctly, it was a go-no-go affair. Ticket no ticket, no calculations involved. Once spent an extra 30 minutes in a rest stop, to make the time work out.
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10/30/2012 09:24:15 PM · #25 |
| My problem with these cameras (I've had a few busts myself) is not that I argue my actions, but that they want to act like these are for public safety but I don't buy. The fact that these don't count against your record or license tells me it's just a big cash machine for the government. If they REALLY cared about safety they would make them go against your record like they do when you get pulled over..... |
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