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09/28/2012 11:06:21 AM · #1 |
| I don't care what the actual subject is - just stop favoring the Expert challenges over the minimal challenges. I would very much appreciate these being doled out in a 1:1 ratio. |
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09/28/2012 11:11:29 AM · #2 |
| It will never happen because peope love surreal images created in PS (I should say most of the people here) but I'm surely not against minimal editing challenges and I even won the last one. So, let's have one :) |
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09/28/2012 11:14:04 AM · #3 |
Challenge title
Unedited
description: none needed
Minimal Editing. |
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09/28/2012 11:16:24 AM · #4 |
Challenge Title
In the style of Gyaban
Description: take a photo in the style of dpc member gyaban
Minimal Editing rules
:) |
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09/28/2012 11:21:17 AM · #5 |
| Amen. I'm not a Photoshop whiz, so I don't ever stand a chance in an expert editing challenge. |
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09/28/2012 11:21:19 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
Challenge Title
In the style of Gyaban
Description: take a photo in the style of dpc member gyaban
Minimal Editing rules
:) |
ROFL |
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09/28/2012 11:23:38 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
Challenge Title
In the style of Gyaban
Description: take a photo in the style of dpc member gyaban
Minimal Editing rules
:) |
Haha!!! |
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09/28/2012 11:30:41 AM · #8 |
Bring it on!
Earlier this year (May) I did some rough statistics to compare the number of minimal vs expert editing challenges there have been. (37 expert vs 14 minimal) Since I collected those stats there has been 1 minimal editing challenge (wide angle) and 6 expert challenges.
Definitely time for a minimal.
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09/28/2012 11:33:17 AM · #9 |
| i'd be happy if we just replace the basic editing challenges with minimal and killed basic along the way. |
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09/28/2012 11:42:58 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
Challenge title
Unedited
description: none needed
Minimal Editing. |
Yeah, a FS type minimal editing challenge would be interesting. |
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09/28/2012 11:45:27 AM · #11 |
| A Minimalism III challenge would be a refreshing change of pace. Size up the shot, take the shot, denoise, resize and done. |
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09/28/2012 11:48:24 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by CNovack:
A Minimalism III challenge would be a refreshing change of pace. Size up the shot, take the shot, denoise, resize and done. |
You're not allowed to denoise. :)
You may:
use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry, with the exception of combining multiple captures in-camera.
rotate your entry by 90, 180 or 270 degrees.
resize your entry once.
sharpen your entry using your editing software’s “sharpen” or equivalent option. The use of customizable sharpening tools, such as Unsharp Mask, is not allowed.
fully desaturate your image using your editing software’s “desaturate,” “convert to grayscale” or equivalent function. Customizable tools are not allowed.
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09/28/2012 11:49:10 AM · #13 |
Yes, I would be down for some minimal editing challenges here and there... Even though I am one of the people on here that prefer highly edited photos.
I do like trying to learn how to get the shot right before I bring it to photoshop.
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09/28/2012 12:09:23 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by CNovack:
A Minimalism III challenge would be a refreshing change of pace. Size up the shot, take the shot, denoise, resize and done. |
You're not allowed to denoise. :)
You may:
use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry, with the exception of combining multiple captures in-camera.
rotate your entry by 90, 180 or 270 degrees.
resize your entry once.
sharpen your entry using your editing software’s “sharpen” or equivalent option. The use of customizable sharpening tools, such as Unsharp Mask, is not allowed.
fully desaturate your image using your editing software’s “desaturate,” “convert to grayscale” or equivalent function. Customizable tools are not allowed. |
Right you are. Ack - hmmm, will have to shoot with a low iso to minimize the noise then. But there you see! We have not had a minimal challenge in a long while that the rules are fading from memory:-)
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09/28/2012 02:14:03 PM · #15 |
I wouldn't miss minimal editing challenges if they went away. I've learned so much on how to make a photo sing, that I'm not liking basic editing anymore. It's not that the photo is changing that much, but subtle changes can still make a big difference in a photo. Although, add cropping to minimal editing rules, and I'd like it much, much better. 4x6 crops don't suit everything.
Look through the past minimal editing challenges -- the photos are ok, but how many people kept reminding others that it's minimal editing and take that into account when voting. It feels like you're putting something out that's substandard, especially when you know that even cropping and adjustments in contrast could make a huge difference.
Message edited by author 2012-09-28 14:16:19.
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09/28/2012 02:17:46 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I wouldn't miss minimal editing challenges if they went away. I've learned so much on how to make a photo sing, that I'm not liking basic editing anymore. It's not that the photo is changing that much, but subtle changes can still make a big difference in a photo. Although, add cropping to minimal editing rules, and I'd like it much, much better. 4x6 crops don't suit everything.
Look through the past minimal editing challenges -- the photos are ok, but how many people kept reminding others that it's minimal editing and take that into account when voting. It feels like you're putting something out that's substandard, especially when you know that even cropping and adjustments in contrast could make a huge difference. |
i couldn't have said it any better. |
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09/28/2012 02:26:04 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I wouldn't miss minimal editing challenges if they went away. I've learned so much on how to make a photo sing, that I'm not liking basic editing anymore. It's not that the photo is changing that much, but subtle changes can still make a big difference in a photo. Although, add cropping to minimal editing rules, and I'd like it much, much better. 4x6 crops don't suit everything.
Look through the past minimal editing challenges -- the photos are ok, but how many people kept reminding others that it's minimal editing and take that into account when voting. It feels like you're putting something out that's substandard, especially when you know that even cropping and adjustments in contrast could make a huge difference. |
Riiiight.... But the point is that you get it right "in camera"...
The entire point of minimal is to give incentive to really take your time setting up the shot, and executing the idea. Instead of cropping, move the camera, or zoom... Use a camera that does a native aspect ratio that is different if you don't like the standard. Contrast? You can set that in camera, along with sharpness and white balance.
My point is that the minimal rule set exists to encourage really tight technicals on the capture side, if your skills aren't up to snuff, then that just means you need MORE minimal challenges in which you can practice. |
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09/28/2012 02:31:27 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I wouldn't miss minimal editing challenges if they went away. I've learned so much on how to make a photo sing, that I'm not liking basic editing anymore. It's not that the photo is changing that much, but subtle changes can still make a big difference in a photo. Although, add cropping to minimal editing rules, and I'd like it much, much better. 4x6 crops don't suit everything.
Look through the past minimal editing challenges -- the photos are ok, but how many people kept reminding others that it's minimal editing and take that into account when voting. It feels like you're putting something out that's substandard, especially when you know that even cropping and adjustments in contrast could make a huge difference. |
Riiiight.... But the point is that you get it right "in camera"...
The entire point of minimal is to give incentive to really take your time setting up the shot, and executing the idea. Instead of cropping, move the camera, or zoom... Use a camera that does a native aspect ratio that is different if you don't like the standard. Contrast? You can set that in camera, along with sharpness and white balance.
My point is that the minimal rule set exists to encourage really tight technicals on the capture side, if your skills aren't up to snuff, then that just means you need MORE minimal challenges in which you can practice. |
Hmmmm.... I like that last sentence.
Makes me think.
I'm going to do some mini-challenges for myself.
Start a thread on it.
And have you guys and gals (who are willing) look at it and vote/critique.
I NEED to learn my camera better, and the settings, and lighting, and angle, and everything that goes along with photography.
And who better to help than my fellow DPCers? :)
Sounds like a good thing for me to start October. Oh yes... I am doing this!
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09/28/2012 02:43:39 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Denielle:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I wouldn't miss minimal editing challenges if they went away. I've learned so much on how to make a photo sing, that I'm not liking basic editing anymore. It's not that the photo is changing that much, but subtle changes can still make a big difference in a photo. Although, add cropping to minimal editing rules, and I'd like it much, much better. 4x6 crops don't suit everything.
Look through the past minimal editing challenges -- the photos are ok, but how many people kept reminding others that it's minimal editing and take that into account when voting. It feels like you're putting something out that's substandard, especially when you know that even cropping and adjustments in contrast could make a huge difference. |
Riiiight.... But the point is that you get it right "in camera"...
The entire point of minimal is to give incentive to really take your time setting up the shot, and executing the idea. Instead of cropping, move the camera, or zoom... Use a camera that does a native aspect ratio that is different if you don't like the standard. Contrast? You can set that in camera, along with sharpness and white balance.
My point is that the minimal rule set exists to encourage really tight technicals on the capture side, if your skills aren't up to snuff, then that just means you need MORE minimal challenges in which you can practice. |
Hmmmm.... I like that last sentence.
Makes me think.
I'm going to do some mini-challenges for myself.
Start a thread on it.
And have you guys and gals (who are willing) look at it and vote/critique.
I NEED to learn my camera better, and the settings, and lighting, and angle, and everything that goes along with photography.
And who better to help than my fellow DPCers? :)
Sounds like a good thing for me to start October. Oh yes... I am doing this! |
Love that attitude. You can be on me being willing, if I'm around and not slammed on a project.
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09/28/2012 02:58:13 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Look through the past minimal editing challenges -- the photos are ok, but how many people kept reminding others that it's minimal editing and take that into account when voting. It feels like you're putting something out that's substandard, especially when you know that even cropping and adjustments in contrast could make a huge difference. |
It's because those people are whinny bitches.
Everyone has to play by the same rules, so when people complain it's normally because they're trying to scapegoat the voter because their photo is lacking in score.
Message edited by author 2012-09-28 15:00:56. |
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09/28/2012 03:02:33 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Look through the past minimal editing challenges -- the photos are ok, but how many people kept reminding others that it's minimal editing and take that into account when voting. It feels like you're putting something out that's substandard, especially when you know that even cropping and adjustments in contrast could make a huge difference. |
It's because those people are whinny bitches.
Everyone has to play by the same rules, so when people complain it's normally because they're trying to scapegoat the voter because their photo is lacking in score. |
Ha!
+1
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09/28/2012 03:03:18 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Look through the past minimal editing challenges -- the photos are ok, but how many people kept reminding others that it's minimal editing and take that into account when voting. It feels like you're putting something out that's substandard, especially when you know that even cropping and adjustments in contrast could make a huge difference. |
It's because those people are whinny bitches.
Everyone has to play by the same rules, so when people complain it's normally because they're trying to scapegoat the voter because their photo is lacking in score. |
:) I like your distillation methods. |
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09/28/2012 03:28:07 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Cory:
I don't care what the actual subject is - just stop favoring the Expert challenges over the minimal challenges. I would very much appreciate these being doled out in a 1:1 ratio. |
Agreed. Those would be just as fun. Easier to do maybe as there is no editing, however a lot put into the setup. Very interesting to vote on as well. |
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09/28/2012 03:37:19 PM · #24 |
I hate minimal.
With love,
-Whiny Bitch
That said, I agree with Cory that minimal is an excellent exercise in learning to get it right in camera. A minimal challenge results page does not WOW like advanced or expert, but the point is that people will and do learn from it, so I give the 1:1 a +1.
I'm not a huge fan of expert either. If advanced could include a few aspects of expert (like just combining portions of multiple photos), I would be ok with doing away with expert. At a minimum we, as voters, should enforce the "photographic in nature" rule to a greater extent or they should do away with that "rule" in expert. |
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09/28/2012 03:40:09 PM · #25 |
Just looking through the history, there's been 45 expert challenges and 17 minimal challenges since the rule change many moons ago. It just happens the density of expert has been extremely tail heavy.
There was once a period of nearly two years between minimal editing challenges. Compare that with the four expert challenges we had in the last month alone.
Message edited by author 2012-09-28 15:40:54. |
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