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 08/23/2012 04:55:48 PM · #1
So... I lived in Korea... you know, in the future. Then I moved back to the US. Changing my camera time settings did not even occur to me.

So, basically I DID shoot the image in the appropriate time but my EXIF data said I shot it the next morning, which is physically impossible. It's impossible to submit once the challenge is closed. I'm not magical.

Why have such an obviously flawed rule? I know I shot it in time. You know I shot it in time. Even all my computer data says "Date created" in the right time zone, but because of my camera settings, I'm screwed.

When rules become so strict as to become asinine, it's not fun any more.

DPC, fix this rule. It's not cool.


08/23/2012 05:00:59 PM · #2
i don't understand...how do people who live and submit in korea avoid this?
 08/23/2012 05:02:48 PM · #3
Also:

"Due to your 2nd disqualification in your last 25 entries, you are hereby suspended from submitting to challenges for a period of 1 week. If you have any subsequent DQs in your next 25 entries, you will receive increasing penalties, so please read the challenge rules carefully!"

Umm... what? I don't have another DQ that I can find. I voluntarily removed an image maybe... 3 years ago.

I'm out. The rules are there to keep things fair. This is not fair. This is stupid. I didn't cheat and anyone with a brain could figure that out.

08/23/2012 05:04:14 PM · #4
Originally posted by LanndonKane:
i don't understand...how do people who live and submit in korea avoid this?


Because we'd have to submit "earlier". Like... when I'm in Florida the deadline is midnight but when I'm in California the deadline is 9pm. When I was in Korea the deadline would have been sometime in the morning.

ETA: So I shot last minute IN FLORIDA and submitted before midnight and the EXIF data says the photo was taken the following morning. If I'd shot in the middle of the week, it wouldn't have mattered but since I shot last minute, I got screwed.

I move and travel too much to be thinking about this nonsense. This is ridiculous.

Message edited by author 2012-08-23 17:06:28.
 08/23/2012 05:09:18 PM · #5
Seems in this case at least the suspension should be overruled. Seems kind of harsh.
 08/23/2012 05:09:34 PM · #6
This stinks, of course.

It happened to me once... My main body had failed, so I was using my backup body.

Apparently, I took this image EXACTLY one year into the future.

I didn't balk at it, though, since it was my fault for not checking and the rules are clear about that one. I think it's the only rule that says "no exceptions".

I'm sorry.

I know it's tough... but... forget it... shoot on!
08/23/2012 05:10:48 PM · #7
I thought the rule was that when you were traveling, you were supposed to keep the camera set to your "home" time zone..

Sounds to me as though your "home" time zone was Korea, and you were traveling.
08/23/2012 05:11:15 PM · #8
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
I think it's the only rule that says "no exceptions".

Seems pretty black and white if you ask me.
08/23/2012 05:14:18 PM · #9
Brutal, it was a great image.... Couldn't you just say you were still in Korea? hah. I guess they track the ip where it was submitted?



Message edited by author 2012-08-23 17:39:05.
 08/23/2012 05:16:33 PM · #10
Originally posted by Cory:
I thought the rule was that when you were traveling, you were supposed to keep the camera set to your "home" time zone..

Sounds to me as though your "home" time zone was Korea, and you were traveling.


"ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry."

You are correct Cory. I have grounds for a reassessment. Thank you.
 08/23/2012 05:18:45 PM · #11
Originally posted by escapetooz:
"ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry."

You are correct Cory. I have grounds for a reassessment. Thank you.

You might want to edit your original post claiming you moved back to the US, no longer making Korea your home base.
 08/23/2012 05:19:36 PM · #12
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Originally posted by Cory:
I thought the rule was that when you were traveling, you were supposed to keep the camera set to your "home" time zone..

Sounds to me as though your "home" time zone was Korea, and you were traveling.


"ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry."

You are correct Cory. I have grounds for a reassessment. Thank you.


I hope you are successful.
 08/23/2012 05:19:53 PM · #13
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Originally posted by Cory:
I thought the rule was that when you were traveling, you were supposed to keep the camera set to your "home" time zone..

Sounds to me as though your "home" time zone was Korea, and you were traveling.


"ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry."

You are correct Cory. I have grounds for a reassessment. Thank you.


Depends on how you define home. I'd take "home" as where you submit from.
 08/23/2012 05:20:04 PM · #14
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
"ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry."

You are correct Cory. I have grounds for a reassessment. Thank you.

You might want to edit your original post claiming you moved back to the US, no longer making Korea your home base.


"Move" is a relative term. I quite literally am homeless. My last "home" was Korea. Since leaving there I have been in Orlando, Miami, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, and Los Angeles and will soon be traveling all over Europe.

What do I do? Change my time settings each location? Or shall I keep Korea as my home base? Seriously this is silly.
 08/23/2012 05:23:19 PM · #15
Yes, it does seem ridiculous that something shot "in the future" would be viewed as being taken outside the challenge timeframe. But look at it this way: if someone who was bent on cheating intentionally set their camera a year into the future, and if the SC accepted shots "in the future" as obviously being mistakes, then this hypothetical individual could submit anything they took in the past year to any challenge they wanted.
So in your case, it's pretty obvious it was a mistake, but still they must adhere to the letter of the rule.
Now, as to the suspension, unless there is something I'm not seeing, where is the other DQ? And even if you had one recently, I would think your tenure in the community and the situation surrounding this DQ would count for something. In some cases they *will* waive the suspension if the user has a record of being honest and forthcoming with the SC.
 08/23/2012 05:25:07 PM · #16
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Originally posted by Cory:
I thought the rule was that when you were traveling, you were supposed to keep the camera set to your "home" time zone..

Sounds to me as though your "home" time zone was Korea, and you were traveling.


"ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry."

You are correct Cory. I have grounds for a reassessment. Thank you.


Depends on how you define home. I'd take "home" as where you submit from.


Why bother with defining anything? It's pretty darn obvious that she didn't really take the picture a day after the challenge entered voting. Ever hear of Occam's Razor?

FFS, the rules are there to ensure that things are fair, not there to ensure that people follow the rules. Can you honestly say that this solution seems to be the most "fair" given the circumstances? I have my opinion.

Message edited by author 2012-08-23 17:25:55.
 08/23/2012 05:26:16 PM · #17
Originally posted by kirbic:
Yes, it does seem ridiculous that something shot "in the future" would be viewed as being taken outside the challenge timeframe. But look at it this way: if someone who was bent on cheating intentionally set their camera a year into the future, and if the SC accepted shots "in the future" as obviously being mistakes, then this hypothetical individual could submit anything they took in the past year to any challenge they wanted.
So in your case, it's pretty obvious it was a mistake, but still they must adhere to the letter of the rule.
Now, as to the suspension, unless there is something I'm not seeing, where is the other DQ? And even if you had one recently, I would think your tenure in the community and the situation surrounding this DQ would count for something. In some cases they *will* waive the suspension if the user has a record of being honest and forthcoming with the SC.


But mine is not a year in the future like Lydia's mine is a time zone issue. With your hypothetical anyone could cheat with anything really.

What is the letter of the rule? As Cory pointed out, the rules say your home time zone. Well I have no home, Korea was my last home, and my camera IS set to that time zone.

I don't have another DQ. As I said the only thing I could possibly think it would be is an entry I removed 3 years ago because there were mean comments about my model. If that's grounds for suspension then I don't want to be in this community and following these nonsense rules. It makes me seriously angry.

Message edited by author 2012-08-23 17:29:18.
 08/23/2012 05:26:17 PM · #18
Originally posted by kirbic:
Yes, it does seem ridiculous that something shot "in the future" would be viewed as being taken outside the challenge timeframe. But look at it this way: if someone who was bent on cheating intentionally set their camera a year into the future, and if the SC accepted shots "in the future" as obviously being mistakes, then this hypothetical individual could submit anything they took in the past year to any challenge they wanted.
So in your case, it's pretty obvious it was a mistake, but still they must adhere to the letter of the rule.
Now, as to the suspension, unless there is something I'm not seeing, where is the other DQ? And even if you had one recently, I would think your tenure in the community and the situation surrounding this DQ would count for something. In some cases they *will* waive the suspension if the user has a record of being honest and forthcoming with the SC.


See Occam's Razor.
 08/23/2012 05:26:48 PM · #19
And how the hell, how the HELL, did I end up on Monica's side of an argument.. ;)
 08/23/2012 05:33:44 PM · #20
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
"ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry."

You are correct Cory. I have grounds for a reassessment. Thank you.

You might want to edit your original post claiming you moved back to the US, no longer making Korea your home base.


"Move" is a relative term. I quite literally am homeless. My last "home" was Korea. Since leaving there I have been in Orlando, Miami, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, and Los Angeles and will soon be traveling all over Europe.

What do I do? Change my time settings each location? Or shall I keep Korea as my home base? Seriously this is silly.


First off, sorry about the DQ - it is a top notch shot and one to be proud of.

The one big benefit of traveling around so much is that you get to see the world, but I am sure it is exhausting too. As silly as it sounds, you might want to adopt the practice of changing the camera time as soon as you step into new territory.

And wow, Europe next - you are quite the world traveler. I am sure that you will be somewhere to capture another winning shot.
08/23/2012 05:53:29 PM · #21
Originally posted by Cory:

FFS, the rules are there to ensure that things are fair, not there to ensure that people follow the rules. Can you honestly say that this solution seems to be the most "fair" given the circumstances? I have my opinion.


Thank you. My friend is doing a whole writing project on what home means: The Way Home Project..

Home is not so easily defined for many of us. My car is in Miami with my dad. My mail goes to my moms in Orlando. I spent a month sleeping in a tent in Haiti. My partner lives in LA, which is where I am currently but leaving very soon again to go to Nevada and then France. But my last true home that was really mine where I had a job, had an apartment, and wasn't relocating every few weeks, was Korea. And so by the challenge rules, I was in the right. My camera was set to my "home" time zone.

Message edited by author 2012-08-23 17:55:14.
 08/23/2012 06:19:06 PM · #22
I really don't see why this should be an issue. We're not SUPPOSED to be resetting our cameras every time we switch time zones. At least not until we've established residence somewhere else. You should be able to win this on appeal, IMO. Good luck!
 08/23/2012 06:20:25 PM · #23
"You must...ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry. If the date(s) recorded in your original image file(s) are not within the specified challenge dates, your entry will be disqualified - NO exceptions! If your entry was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, please note the location in the submission form so that we can adjust accordingly."

All that had to be done was note which time zone from which you were entering, right? Or am I misreading this?

It seems that you are allowed to "roam the world freely" as you do... but just say where you were when you shot the image when you upload?
08/23/2012 06:28:16 PM · #24
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Home is not so easily defined for many of us. My car is in Miami with my dad. My mail goes to my moms in Orlando. I spent a month sleeping in a tent in Haiti. My partner lives in LA, which is where I am currently but leaving very soon again to go to Nevada and then France. But my last true home that was really mine where I had a job, had an apartment, and wasn't relocating every few weeks, was Korea. And so by the challenge rules, I was in the right. My camera was set to my "home" time zone.


I agree with Robert, you should at least have a good shot of overturning this on appeal. Your situation is a little, er, unusual, but that should really have no bearing. What I'd do is communicate with the SC and tell them exactly what you just told us.
 08/23/2012 06:28:53 PM · #25
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
"You must...ensure that your camera date and time are correctly set to your home time zone before shooting your entry. If the date(s) recorded in your original image file(s) are not within the specified challenge dates, your entry will be disqualified - NO exceptions! If your entry was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, please note the location in the submission form so that we can adjust accordingly."

All that had to be done was note which time zone from which you were entering, right? Or am I misreading this?

It seems that you are allowed to "roam the world freely" as you do... but just say where you were when you shot the image when you upload?


Agreed, just tell 'em!
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