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08/12/2004 01:24:28 AM · #1 |
I "know" someone made a comment on the Vanishing Point challenge that is no longer there! Or else senility has already set in.
In the forums - when you change a post - an "edit" statement appears.
Would this also be appropriate for current challenge posts? Or - should it be ok to change their comments without any record while the challenge is still open?
Just tell me I am not going bonkers!
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08/12/2004 01:29:30 AM · #2 |
| one of my comments vanished as well. |
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08/12/2004 01:39:43 AM · #3 |
| It is my understanding from following the hot threads on voting that those that post a comment are free to edit them. That is why the edit buttom remains active. This is my understanding. |
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08/12/2004 01:47:04 AM · #4 |
I also had a comment that went away in this challenge. Never happened befor.
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08/12/2004 01:58:58 AM · #5 |
| Wait: a thought just hit me. The member who posted a guitar shot with Stairway to Heaven disqualified himself bevause he cloned. Could this be the reason, that is, they dq you and then remove all evidence of your presence..maybe comment disappear with DQ? just wondering. |
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08/12/2004 02:28:56 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
Wait: a thought just hit me. The member who posted a guitar shot with Stairway to Heaven disqualified himself bevause he cloned. Could this be the reason, that is, they dq you and then remove all evidence of your presence..maybe comment disappear with DQ? just wondering. |
I wouldn't think so. You don't have to enter a challenge to comment.
David
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08/12/2004 02:50:07 AM · #7 |
No, nothing special is going on. Basically if you revisit your comment on the voting page and change the comment DURING THE VOTING PERIOD then it seems that no evidence of the edit remains.
There is no edit button, just a text field... |
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08/12/2004 04:42:12 AM · #8 |
And also, it should be worth mentioning here, if you don't manage to vote on the minimum number of photos to register your votes (the 20%), then your comments are not removed with your votes.
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08/12/2004 06:25:02 AM · #9 |
when you make a comment, you basically 'own' the comment up until voting ends; you can go back and update it or remove it.
last night, i removed about 80 comments because i was getting the feeling they weren't that useful. so, if i removed a useful comment, sorry. on the other hand, if i removed a comment you didn't really like, you don't have to worry about it any more. |
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08/12/2004 06:37:11 AM · #10 |
Ages ago I must have been unusually pissed off with something someone said in the forums and went and deleted the two comments I'd left on his images in the past. What he said MUST have been related to comments as I am constantly seeing posts that I really think show an appalling set of values but never think to go and delete comments I may have given to images based on the views of the photographers. I guess he said something I found extremely offensive OR, more likely, something related to comments that I found offensive. I just can't recall anymore what this person said that obviously made me feel I didn't want to leave any of my own comments on his images.
Anyway, he must have finally noticed the deletions recently as he's now added comments himself to his images highlighting my choice to delete them AND sent me two PMs about it. Made me laugh actually when I finally figured out what he was talking about in the PMs. I'm very childish apparently.
Well, it's good to let your inhibitions go now and again especially when doing so doesn't involve anything illegal!
As far as I am concerned I own the comments I make and do have the right to go back and remove them at any point after making it should I wish to do so.
Not that I could usually be arsed. I think I've gone back and deleted less than 5 comments in over 3000 I have made!
Message edited by author 2004-08-12 06:41:50.
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08/12/2004 10:03:53 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Ages ago I must have been unusually pissed off with something someone said in the forums and went and deleted the two comments I'd left on his images in the past. What he said MUST have been related to comments as I am constantly seeing posts that I really think show an appalling set of values but never think to go and delete comments I may have given to images based on the views of the photographers. I guess he said something I found extremely offensive OR, more likely, something related to comments that I found offensive. I just can't recall anymore what this person said that obviously made me feel I didn't want to leave any of my own comments on his images.
Anyway, he must have finally noticed the deletions recently as he's now added comments himself to his images highlighting my choice to delete them AND sent me two PMs about it. Made me laugh actually when I finally figured out what he was talking about in the PMs. I'm very childish apparently.
Well, it's good to let your inhibitions go now and again especially when doing so doesn't involve anything illegal!
As far as I am concerned I own the comments I make and do have the right to go back and remove them at any point after making it should I wish to do so.
Not that I could usually be arsed. I think I've gone back and deleted less than 5 comments in over 3000 I have made! |
Although you do own your comments and have the right to delete them anytime, does your opinion of a photo change based on what is said in the forums and your mood generated by those forum discussions?
Personally, I don't see any good reason to go back and delete a comment entirely unless you said something that was completely against your better judgement about a photograph and even then, changing it is probably more reasonable. |
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08/12/2004 10:12:50 AM · #12 |
Perhaps someone realized halfway through voting that he misinterpreted the challenge, and that new understanding invalidated many of the criticisms in his comments? Not saying that's you, Skiprow, just that there are sometimes good reasons for deleting comments.
BTW- I think any sincere comment is useful, even if it's just, "I love it" or "This sucks" |
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08/12/2004 10:15:44 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
BTW- I think any sincere comment is useful, even if it's just, "I love it" or "This sucks" |
I agree! |
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08/12/2004 10:22:23 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by tfaust:
Originally posted by Kavey:
Ages ago I must have been unusually pissed off with something someone said in the forums and went and deleted the two comments I'd left on his images in the past. What he said MUST have been related to comments as I am constantly seeing posts that I really think show an appalling set of values but never think to go and delete comments I may have given to images based on the views of the photographers. I guess he said something I found extremely offensive OR, more likely, something related to comments that I found offensive. I just can't recall anymore what this person said that obviously made me feel I didn't want to leave any of my own comments on his images.
Anyway, he must have finally noticed the deletions recently as he's now added comments himself to his images highlighting my choice to delete them AND sent me two PMs about it. Made me laugh actually when I finally figured out what he was talking about in the PMs. I'm very childish apparently.
Well, it's good to let your inhibitions go now and again especially when doing so doesn't involve anything illegal!
As far as I am concerned I own the comments I make and do have the right to go back and remove them at any point after making it should I wish to do so.
Not that I could usually be arsed. I think I've gone back and deleted less than 5 comments in over 3000 I have made! |
Although you do own your comments and have the right to delete them anytime, does your opinion of a photo change based on what is said in the forums and your mood generated by those forum discussions?
Personally, I don't see any good reason to go back and delete a comment entirely unless you said something that was completely against your better judgement about a photograph and even then, changing it is probably more reasonable. |
My view of the photo doesn't change at all. My desire to share potentially helpful information with an individual may change depending on his/ her behaviour.
As I said, I have deleted less than 5 comments in over 3000 made. 3000. So this is something I do VERY infrequently. I certainly don't do this everytime someone offends me with their forum posts (or their values, behaviour or beliefs) since if that were the case I'd have deleted a heck of a lot more!
I seem to remember that in this case the individual made some point about comments in the forums - perhaps it was something such as only finding comments from ribbon winners valuable/ not being interested in comments from those who score as badly as he/ she does - I have seen that said more than once. I really don't recall what it was.
But no, my opinion on the image does not change.
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08/12/2004 10:22:57 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Ages ago I must have been unusually pissed off with something someone said in the forums and went and deleted the two comments I'd left on his images in the past. What he said MUST have been related to comments as I am constantly seeing posts that I really think show an appalling set of values but never think to go and delete comments I may have given to images based on the views of the photographers. I guess he said something I found extremely offensive OR, more likely, something related to comments that I found offensive. I just can't recall anymore what this person said that obviously made me feel I didn't want to leave any of my own comments on his images.
Anyway, he must have finally noticed the deletions recently as he's now added comments himself to his images highlighting my choice to delete them AND sent me two PMs about it. Made me laugh actually when I finally figured out what he was talking about in the PMs. I'm very childish apparently.
Well, it's good to let your inhibitions go now and again especially when doing so doesn't involve anything illegal!
As far as I am concerned I own the comments I make and do have the right to go back and remove them at any point after making it should I wish to do so.
Not that I could usually be arsed. I think I've gone back and deleted less than 5 comments in over 3000 I have made! |
Just as you can delete the comments you made to my photos, I can add comments to my own photo explaining the deleted comments. I don't see what the problem is. if anything in my comments are not factual, please let me know and I'll correct it.
And the two PM's... In the first PM I asked why you deleted them and I was not at all rude. After 5 minutes of digging I found a forum post where you disagreed with an opinion I stated on the same day you deleted the comments. After figuring out the reason for your deleting I sent you a second PM stating that you didn't need to reply to the first since I figured it out and I though it was pretty childish. And... it was 5 months ago, not ages ago. As for finally seeing that you deleted them, I have a life outside of DPC and I don't go back and read the comments left on past photos very often.
Please don't exagerate.
Now, if you can't find it yourself, I'll post a link to the thread where I must have said something really horrible. Let me know. I already checked it out, I don't think I said anything that horrible, and I don't think my original comments were even directed at you. And... it had nothing to do with comments you left for anyone.
So yes, I find you actions and now your attempt at exageration to explain your actions, and the fact that you felt the need to post this issue to a forum quite childish.
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08/12/2004 10:25:21 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
BTW- I think any sincere comment is useful, even if it's just, "I love it" or "This sucks" |
amen |
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08/12/2004 10:26:20 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
I seem to remember that in this case the individual made some point about comments in the forums - perhaps it was something such as only finding comments from ribbon winners valuable/ not being interested in comments from those who score as badly as he/ she does - I have seen that said more than once. I really don't recall what it was.
But no, my opinion on the image does not change. |
Get your facts straight! I never said anything like that. a simple search and you can find the post. If you can't figure it out, let me know and I'll post it for you.
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08/12/2004 10:27:52 AM · #18 |
Louddog I don't think your PMs were rude though calling me childish could be said to be rude.
I must admit if someone deleted a comment they made on my image I doubt I'd be overly concerned about why they did it. Their decision, nothing to do with me, since the comment was theirs to make in the first place.
It's perfectly valid for you to add comments to your own images, I just thought it was amusing that you felt the need to do so. Amusing, but nothing more. Why would you do that if you weren't upset at my removing the comments? Why would you feel the need to explain MY behaviour to any future viewers of your image and it's comments?
Can you tell me what I'm exaggerating about?
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08/12/2004 10:29:52 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by louddog:
Originally posted by Kavey:
I seem to remember that in this case the individual made some point about comments in the forums - perhaps it was something such as only finding comments from ribbon winners valuable/ not being interested in comments from those who score as badly as he/ she does - I have seen that said more than once. I really don't recall what it was.
But no, my opinion on the image does not change. |
Get your facts straight! I never said anything like that. a simple search and you can find the post. If you can't figure it out, let me know and I'll post it for you. |
As I said, I couldn't recall what the reason was IN THIS PARTICULAR case which is why I DIDN'T mention who I was referring to. For that reason I was guessing at what MIGHT have been the reason and posting the KIND OF REASON that it MIGHT have been. As you can see I said quite clearly that I didn't recall what the reason was in this case so there are no FACTS being asserted here.
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08/12/2004 10:33:47 AM · #20 |
PS You're clearly distressed by my personal decision to remove comments from your image. I'm not emotionally interested or feeling much at all about it. I was obviously pissed off about something several months back but don't even recall what it was now.
I posted about it here in an anonymous way just because the thread made me think about it again following the PMs. It would certainly have been childish for me to post your identity but I didn't do that.
I'm not into getting into weird personal vendettas with people so if that's what you're looking for or if you're feeling aggressive please look elsewhere for an outlet. I'm not interested.
Message edited by author 2004-08-12 10:43:54.
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08/12/2004 11:22:19 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Perhaps someone realized halfway through voting that he misinterpreted the challenge, and that new understanding invalidated many of the criticisms in his comments? Not saying that's you, Skiprow, just that there are sometimes good reasons for deleting comments.
BTW- I think any sincere comment is useful, even if it's just, "I love it" or "This sucks" |
ay-yi-yi, how this stuff takes a life of its own...
basically, i had an idea, an interpretation, of the challenge simply based on the description provided. yes, i was pretty in the box with it, and yes, i used it to base my voting. i made 3 full passes before commenting.
there was a guy a couple months ago who brought to light the differences between constructive, 'tough love' comments and comments made without any sense of tack. i'm 43, and since using tack is not one of my strong suits, i'm really making an effort here. anyways, i learned from this guy's experience that no matter how much a image sucks, i should always try (keyword: try) to find something redeeming about the effort someone made. (sometimes, i can't:P). however, rather than make a comment that would make someone want to chuck their camera, i'd rather try to be constructive.
i also try to comment on every image i score 4 or less. i don't believe in telling people what i'm scoring them, but i do believe in commenting.
that said, my basic comment was along the lines of while i appreciate your image/take on the challenge, i am tending to score images higher where the vp is a little more traditional (ie, parallel lines heading towards a horizon). maybe i'm just anal that way.
then, i would usually add additional comments about the image, what i liked, and what i thought might make it better.
i'll admit, there are a handful of images that didn't get this treatment, but, all the same, i don't think i really made any viscious, overly rude comments to anyone.
later on, after following a few threads and responding to some pm's and other emails, i started thinking maybe i was a little too in the box on this. i also started thinking about the other guy who bothered to comment on a number of images, and i decided that, hey, even though it's just my opinion and even though my scoring is statistically insignificant, why bother? it was just a lot easier to go on and remove the comments and take a new look at it.
in some instances, it made a difference, in others, it didn't.
in the end, though, you can't have your cake and eat it, too. if you want comments, then take them any way you can get them. take the good, the bad, and the ugly. don't complain, just be happy someone thought enough to take the time to look at your image long enough to comment on it.
Message edited by author 2004-08-12 11:26:47. |
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08/12/2004 11:31:22 AM · #22 |
I'm not at all distressed about you deleting your comments, I just think it's childish. I am bothered that you try to justify your action by making false statements when you clearly don't even remember why you did it.
I thought it was equally amusing that you would delete the comments based on a forum post disagreement. Yeah, me adding those comments is childish, but I want everyone that looks at my photo to know why you deleted your comments. Thanks to this post, a lot more people will now know. (and since you did this someone added one of the pictures in question as their favorite so thanks for the publicity)
As for exaggeration (which means to represent as greater than is actually the case)
You said:
“ages ago…”
5 months isn’t ages but I suppose that’s up to opinion.
“What he said MUST have been related to comments”
incorrect statement trying to justify your actions
“he said something I found extremely offensive OR, more likely, something related to comments that I found offensive”
exaggeration without even knowing the facts, and not even close to the truth.
“he must have finally noticed the deletions”
making it sound like I have been neglecting my comments???
“AND sent me two PMs about it”
making a point that I sent you two PMs without explaining what they said or why
“perhaps it was something such as only finding comments from ribbon winners valuable/ not being interested in comments from those who score as badly as he/ she does - I have seen that said more than once. I really don't recall what it was.”
Assuming, or thinking aloud the reasoning, which is highly inaccurate, in an attempt to justify your action. (for the record I never made any statement even close to that)
"PS You're clearly distressed by my personal decision to remove comments from your image"
assuming my emotions/intentions in an attempt to make me seem irrational.
"I'm not into getting into weird personal vendettas with people so if that's what you're looking for or if you're feeling aggressive please look elsewhere for an outlet. I'm not interested."
making it appear that I am - assuming/guessing my intentions
If you couldn’t recall, or weren’t sure, maybe the intelligent thing to do would be to go back and look before you make a bunch of incorrect statements making yourself look foolish.
I don’t have anything against you and I’m not trying to start a war with you. I “finally” saw that you deleted your comments “ages ago” and was curious why. So I asked you. I figured it out on my own and thought it was childish, and I told you so. I added the comments to my images so people that look at my images don’t wonder why you deleted your comments. I freely admit that it was/is childish on my part. Do I care about your comments being deleted? No! If you happen to comment on any of my images during challenges, I’ll be sure to let you know ASAP so you can delete them. I just wish you could delete the whole thing so it doesn’t leave your name and a blank there. In the absence of that, I’ll post a comment explaining the blank comment. I'm posting here only to defend myself after you poked fun at me for reacting to your deltions and making inaccurate statements about me. Yes you did not mention my name, but anyone with half a brain can look at your comments and see which ones you deleted, so technically you did. You started this whole thing by poking fun at me. I’m simply correcting the inaccuracies you posted about me.
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08/12/2004 11:48:50 AM · #23 |
Oh deary deary me... I still don't understand why you feel it necessary for other people to know MY motivations on deleting MY comments... and btw I am not ABLE to delete them so that nothing shows, it's not possible within the restraints of the site. Clearly I was pissed off at the time and deleted them. It wasn't a big deal and certainly isn't now hence my utter incomprehension as to why you'd bother to PM me about it, waste your time trying to work out my motivations, worry about how other people would perceive MY actions and get upset that I'd mention the affair in an anyonmous way on a forum thread about a related topic. I don't get it really but that's OK. I don't need to get it. Nor did you really need to get why I chose to delete comments that I made since it had no negative impact on you in any case.
As I said quite clearly I could not recall why in THIS case I had chosen to delete my comments and, to the best of my ability, tried to make a guess at what the reason must have been... but I did make it clear it was a guess AND given that I hadn't identified you in ANY way I certainly wasn't concerned about making "false statements". I certainly wasn't poking fun at you - I had been very careful not to post your identity precisely so that people did not connect any individual to the tale I was relating. I did find it amusing and that was all there was to it in terms of my original post on this thread. Nothing more sinister and certainly nothing intended to make others feel differently about you either.
My apologies for misremembering and for daring to mention this even anonymously. I am genuinely glad one of your images was added as someone's favourite. It's a great image and I like it a great deal.
I'm quite happy with my actions and am not worried about looking foolish. People judge me as they wish and that's their prerogative.
If you had simply asked me and waited for my response before telling me I was childish and trying to explain my behaviour and my motivations for my actions I doubt I would have bothered posting here at all!
PS Deleting my comments was undoubtedly somewhat silly but at the time I clearly felt that I did not want to share potentially useful (or not) comments with someone who I clearly felt a dislike for at the time. It was an impulsive thing and if you'd asked me by PM and waited for my response I'd have probably replied along the lines of "LOL, no bloody idea why I deleted them, you probably pissed me off, shall I re-comment them for you? LOL" - I read the first PM first and wrote such a response but didn't send it as I then read the second PM.
EDIT: Correcting typos... hate 'em.
Message edited by author 2004-08-12 11:56:14.
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08/12/2004 12:09:35 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Oh deary deary me... I still don't understand why you feel it necessary for other people to know MY motivations on deleting MY comments... and btw I am not ABLE to delete them so that nothing shows, it's not possible within the restraints of the site. Clearly I was pissed off at the time and deleted them. It wasn't a big deal and certainly isn't now hence my utter incomprehension as to why you'd bother to PM me about it, waste your time trying to work out my motivations, worry about how other people would perceive MY actions and get upset that I'd mention the affair in an anyonmous way on a forum thread about a related topic. I don't get it really but that's OK. I don't need to get it. Nor did you really need to get why I chose to delete comments that I made since it had no negative impact on you in any case.
As I said quite clearly I could not recall why in THIS case I had chosen to delete my comments and, to the best of my ability, tried to make a guess at what the reason must have been... but I did make it clear it was a guess AND given that I hadn't identified you in ANY way I certainly wasn't concerned about making "false statements". I certainly wasn't poking fun at you - I had been very careful not to post your identity precisely so that people did not connect any individual to the tale I was relating. I did find it amusing and that was all there was to it in terms of my original post on this thread. Nothing more sinister and certainly nothing intended to make others feel differently about you either.
My apologies for misremembering and for daring to mention this even anonymously. I am genuinely glad one of your images was added as someone's favourite. It's a great image and I like it a great deal.
I'm quite happy with my actions and am not worried about looking foolish. People judge me as they wish and that's their prerogative.
If you had simply asked me and waited for my response before telling me I was childish and trying to explain my behaviour and my motivations for my actions I doubt I would have bothered posting here at all!
PS Deleting my comments was undoubtedly somewhat silly but at the time I clearly felt that I did not want to share potentially useful (or not) comments with someone who I clearly felt a dislike for at the time. It was an impulsive thing and if you'd asked me by PM and waited for my response I'd have probably replied along the lines of "LOL, no bloody idea why I deleted them, you probably pissed me off, shall I re-comment them for you? LOL" - I read the first PM first and wrote such a response but didn't send it as I then read the second PM.
EDIT: Correcting typos... hate 'em. |
I added those comments and it was rather childish. I won't defend that action. The childish demon in me felt the need to point out your childish action with an equally childish action.
You should know, while guessing at what may have pissed you off, you made a lot of false statements regarding my character. You may not consider that foolish, but I do. Simply going back and reading the thread in question before poking fun at me would have cleared that up and eliminated this mess. For what ever reason you choose not to get the facts.
You also choose to post this situation here. I can't even guess your motivation or intention on doing that, but the result came off to me as an attempt to make me look like a fool.
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08/12/2004 12:17:31 PM · #25 |
Louddog how could my intention possibly have been to make you look like a fool? I didn't NAME YOU in my post!!!!!
Anyway, whatever, if you feel I am foolish so be it. It doesn't really bother me. We are judged by people we interact with every minute of every day. Sometimes favourably and sometimes not. Sometimes those judgements matter to me and sometimes they don't. I'm judged for my work skills, I'm judged on the support I give to friends, I'm judged according to my race, I'm judged according to my rather scary orange jeans that I've been told shouldn't see the light of day. Being judged on an internet site by people I don't know and who don't really know me really is low down on the list of my concerns.
PS I didn't make any statements about your character. I made a guess that you may have posted something about your feelings about comments (and then gave an EXAMPLE of the kind of thing on that topic that might pee me off) but I certainly made NO comments about your character at all.
Message edited by author 2004-08-12 12:21:15.
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