Vanishing point: non entered pics, post in here!

08/09/2004 09:56:49 PM · #1

Perhaps the hardest part of this site is picking your favorite picture for the challenge. Anyways, post some of your attempts. Here are mine.

First picture

Second picture

Third picture

ps: yes i'm doing this so I don't go back and keep switching photos a zillion times before tomorrow night ;-)

08/09/2004 10:01:39 PM · #2

Why can't people respect others and wait til the challenge begins to post what they didn't use? You never know but something that you might not use might have seemed orginal to someone else...and now they either unsubmit or rush around doing something else. I mean at this point you only have to wait another 26 hours.

Sorry but this has been a big pet peeve of mine for a very long time.

08/09/2004 10:06:57 PM · #3

The thread was intended for people already done with this challenge :-/

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

08/09/2004 10:15:07 PM · #4

Originally posted by kyebosh:

The thread was intended for people already done with this challenge :-/

No one is "done" with this challenge yet -- the voting hasn't even started.

Give me one good reason why pictures not entered should get favored treatment, in direct competition with those of us who have entered a photo, and have to wait over a week longer for our feedback.

This whole posting of "out-takes" and "alternates" even before the submission deadline seems exceedingly selfish to me, and quite contrary to the spirit and function of the site. If you have a photo for this topic, then enter it and wait for feedback like the rest of us. Otherwise, why wouldn't we end up with 200 "Individual Photo Discussion" threads and no entries, since the forum-based photos get far more feedback than the average entry does?

Pardon the pun, but I want to put the K'bosh on this whole type of thread.

Message edited by author 2004-08-09 22:16:36.

08/09/2004 10:35:05 PM · #5

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by kyebosh:
The thread was intended for people already done with this challenge :-/

No one is "done" with this challenge yet -- the voting hasn't even started.

Give me one good reason why pictures not entered should get favored treatment, in direct competition with those of us who have entered a photo, and have to wait over a week longer for our feedback.

This whole posting of "out-takes" and "alternates" even before the submission deadline seems exceedingly selfish to me, and quite contrary to the spirit and function of the site. If you have a photo for this topic, then enter it and wait for feedback like the rest of us. Otherwise, why wouldn't we end up with 200 "Individual Photo Discussion" threads and no entries, since the forum-based photos get far more feedback than the average entry does?

Pardon the pun, but I want to put the K'bosh on this whole type of thread.

Nicely said Paul!

I don't see any problem with posting your outtakes after voting has begun and you have at least looked at all the thumbnails to ensure your outtake might not be similar to what someone else has entered. But how can anyone know at this point what someone else is entering.

Canon EF 135mm f/2.0L USM

08/09/2004 10:39:52 PM · #6

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Give me one good reason why pictures not entered should get favored treatment, in direct competition with those of us who have entered a photo, and have to wait over a week longer for our feedback.

This whole posting of "out-takes" and "alternates" even before the submission deadline seems exceedingly selfish to me, and quite contrary to the spirit and function of the site. If you have a photo for this topic, then enter it and wait for feedback like the rest of us. Otherwise, why wouldn't we end up with 200 "Individual Photo Discussion" threads and no entries, since the forum-based photos get far more feedback than the average entry does?

Pardon the pun, but I want to put the K'bosh on this whole type of thread.

Well I am in fact DONE. So don't tell me nobody is. You can only enter ONE picture in the competition... And I didn't take just one picture. I didn't ask for feedback, I mearly asked to see some on topic pictures. Hopefully some cool ones too. I'm sure everyone will submit what they think is their best. You'll always get entries because people don't take just one. I was under the impression the site was to help improve our photography, and maybe see some pretty pictures. Ratings are ok and all, but this is supposed to be fun too isn't it? As far as competing with other entries, sure they are. However, any picture you've ever seen on this topic is also competing in a way. Sure, somebody might think they had an original to find it wasn't. But they only need worry if they think their photo isn't composed as well. I tried to do this in a friendly manner but was only flamed. I'll refrain from creating these types of threads in the future, but only because it seems to truely upset some of you.

lentil

Canon EOS-5D

08/09/2004 10:47:14 PM · #7

I completely agree with you general. Kyebosh you only had the smallest amount of time left to wait. I didnt enter this challenge but if i did and i saw that there was something similar in your photos I would not be happy. I would definately be running around trying to think of something new. Maybe you will wait in future

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/09/2004 10:47:48 PM · #8

Originally posted by kyebosh:

Well I am in fact DONE.

The only time a challenge photo is DONE as you put it is when the voting ends and there are 3 winners declared on your home page so if that is the case could you tell us all who the 3 winners are?

You aren't done with that photo til the winners are announced. All you are doing now is influencing others to either run out and redo what they already shot or to not submit at all cause they don't feel what they are working on is as good as what you have posted here. Paul was very right what you did is very SELFISH

Can you give me 2 good reasons why your precious outtakes couldn't have waited another 26 hours before you posted them here? And make sure they aren't selfish reasons.

Cam

Sony DSC-F717

08/09/2004 10:48:00 PM · #9

Dont take it personal kyebosh.

Good luck to ya in the contest !

mariomel

Canon EOS-5D

08/09/2004 10:48:27 PM · #10

Did you guys wake up on the wrong side of the bed today, or what? Take a chill pill. If you don't like these types of threads, don't read them. It was pretty clear in her title what the thread was about.

Nowhere does it say that this type of thread is not permitted.

Jeez, some people...

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

08/09/2004 10:50:44 PM · #11

I think the time to discuss your alternates is after the voting, when your photos can actually be discussed openly and in comparison to the other entries. It is not fair to people who are still submitting and everyone who has not yet voted that

1) YOU get feedback before everyone else
2) You prejudice the entry pool and voting by discussing photos related to the challenge during the voting.

Why don't you post your alternate for Record Album and discuss that or something?

You're right it makes me angry that YOU should get feedback on your "on-topic" picture TONIGHT and I get mine (if any at all) later in the week, as people race through voting on a couple of hundred pictures instead of in your own private thread-cum-front-page gallery.

Thank you for posting text-based links instead of thumbnails. : )

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

08/09/2004 10:52:01 PM · #12

Originally posted by mariomel:

Did you guys wake up on the wrong side of the bed today, or what? Take a chill pill ...

Please send contrubutions to PO Box ....

LtHousLady

Canon EOS-5D

Tamron SP AF 28-105mm f/2.8 LD Aspherical IF for Canon

08/09/2004 10:58:17 PM · #13

Anyone can submit, resubmit or UNsubmit up until the time comes to vote, so no sumbission is irrevocably DONE until then. It may not be written in the rules, but it is respectful to the others still preparig to submit to a challenge.
Oh wait...expecting respect from others is in my delussions of a "perfect world". Sorry, my mistake ;)

Sigma 28-105mm f/2.8-4.0 Aspherical for Canon

08/09/2004 11:09:16 PM · #14

Originally posted by LtHousLady:

Oh wait...expecting respect from others is in my delussions of a "perfect world". Sorry, my mistake ;)

LOL...if it were perfect we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Rooster

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

08/09/2004 11:13:15 PM · #15

I agree with OSS & G, but the the posts seems a bit on the harsh side. Was their not a more diplomatic way of conveying your feelings? KB is not the first person to do this & I think it is unfair to take out the months of frustration each of you have clearly flet about threads like this out on one person.
I'm kinda surprised by the reaction & tone actually.
I know I would personally hate to see my submitted shot as someone's outtake or have others see it & think that they have seen a shot like it before.
Let's try & see if we can remember that this is supposed to be fun not ultra-hyper serious. The world is serious enough.

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

08/09/2004 11:17:46 PM · #16

Originally posted by Rooster:

Just for the record anytime I see one of these threads I comment about waiting til the voting starts...now yeah I do overlook it when it is 11:45 and the voting starts in 15 minutes, but come on there was 26 hours to go on this challenge those photos could have waited til after that to be posted it.

ellamay

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

08/09/2004 11:27:45 PM · #17

I sort of like to see outtakes before the challenge is over, gives me a lil idea of what may be coming, if my shot really sucks I may reshoot.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

08/09/2004 11:32:45 PM · #18

Originally posted by ellamay:

I sort of like to see outtakes before the challenge is over, gives me a lil idea of what may be coming, if my shot really sucks I may reshoot.

Isn't that just "a little" like "discussing your photo" before the challenge? Why should you get that advantage over someone who submitted their photo a couple of days ago and left on vacation?

Message edited by author 2004-08-09 23:33:52.

Sigma 28-105mm f/2.8-4.0 Aspherical for Canon

08/09/2004 11:37:44 PM · #19

Originally posted by ellamay:

I sort of like to see outtakes before the challenge is over, gives me a lil idea of what may be coming, if my shot really sucks I may reshoot.

You just proved the point that outtakes do have a big influence over what we see in the challenge.

Rooster

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

08/09/2004 11:40:14 PM · #20

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

Originally posted by Rooster:
I agree with OSS & G, but the the posts seems a bit on the harsh side. Was their not a more diplomatic way of conveying your feelings? KB is not the first person to do this & I think it is unfair to take out the months of frustration each of you have clearly flet about threads like this out on one person.
I'm kinda surprised by the reaction & tone actually.
I know I would personally hate to see my submitted shot as someone's outtake or have others see it & think that they have seen a shot like it before.
Let's try & see if we can remember that this is supposed to be fun not ultra-hyper serious. The world is serious enough.

Just for the record anytime I see one of these threads I comment about waiting til the voting starts...now yeah I do overlook it when it is 11:45 and the voting starts in 15 minutes, but come on there was 26 hours to go on this challenge those photos could have waited til after that to be posted it.

Hey, I aint disagreeing you ya, just suggesting...believing that there might have been a more friendly non confrontational way to expressing it that didnt make KB feel like running & hiding.

dwolff

Nikon 1 J1

08/09/2004 11:43:52 PM · #21

I took alot of photos for this challenge (70) before deciding on which one to submit, but if I posted any of the ones I didn't submit everyone who looked at those would most likely know which photo was mine during the voting because they were all taken at the same location.

08/09/2004 11:45:01 PM · #22

Originally posted by Rooster:

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

Originally posted by Rooster:
I agree with OSS & G, but the the posts seems a bit on the harsh side. Was their not a more diplomatic way of conveying your feelings? KB is not the first person to do this & I think it is unfair to take out the months of frustration each of you have clearly flet about threads like this out on one person.
I'm kinda surprised by the reaction & tone actually.
I know I would personally hate to see my submitted shot as someone's outtake or have others see it & think that they have seen a shot like it before.
Let's try & see if we can remember that this is supposed to be fun not ultra-hyper serious. The world is serious enough.

Just for the record anytime I see one of these threads I comment about waiting til the voting starts...now yeah I do overlook it when it is 11:45 and the voting starts in 15 minutes, but come on there was 26 hours to go on this challenge those photos could have waited til after that to be posted it.

Hey, I aint disagreeing you ya, just suggesting...believing that there might have been a more friendly non confrontational way to expressing it that didnt make KB feel like running & hiding.

I really haven't said anything here that I haven't in previous threads, and if you want to search go back to sometime last year and find the time where someone posted a photo very similar to what I was going to use in the challenge then you will find out what harsh was.

08/09/2004 11:47:18 PM · #23

Originally posted by dwolff:

Any photos that could be linked to your entry, shouldn't be posted for sure. That's not even a Grey area.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

08/09/2004 11:49:37 PM · #24

Originally posted by kyebosh:

Originally posted by dwolff:
I took alot of photos for this challenge (70) before deciding on which one to submit, but if I posted any of the ones I didn't submit everyone who looked at those would most likely know which photo was mine during the voting because they were all taken at the same location.

Any photos that could be linked to your entry, shouldn't be posted for sure. That's not even a Grey area.

I'm glad you didn't run and hide. : )