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08/04/2004 06:44:33 AM · #1 |
From this morning's Drudge Report... makes you wonder if all the people who are supporting him because of "the kind of man he is" and his "strong military background" will still feel the same way in light of this:
BOOK CLAIMS KERRY WAR 'FABRICATIONS'
A veterans group seeking to deeply discredit Democrat John Kerry's military service will charge in the new bombshell book UNFIT FOR COMMAND:
# Two of John Kerry's three Purple Heart decorations resulted from self-inflicted wounds, not suffered under enemy fire.
# All three of Kerry's Purple Hearts were for minor injuries, not requiring a single hour of hospitalization.
# A "fanny wound" was the highlight of Kerry's much touted "no man left behind" Bronze Star.
# Kerry turned the tragic death of a father and small child in a Vietnamese fishing boat into an act of "heroism" by filing a false report on the incident.
# Kerry entered an abandoned Vietnamese village and slaughtered the domestic animals owned by the civilians and burned down their homes with his Zippo lighter.
# Kerry's reckless behavior convinced his colleagues that he had to go -- becoming the only Swift Boat veteran to serve only four months.
Also from the same book, mentioned in this report a few days ago, it seems that parts of the Swift Boat video shown at the DNC were re-enactments:
"Kerry carried a home movie camera to record his exploits for later viewing," charges a naval officer in the upcoming book UNFIT FOR COMMAND.
"Kerry would revisit ambush locations for reenacting combat scenes where he would portray the hero, catching it all on film. Kerry would take movies of himself walking around in combat gear, sometimes dressed as an infantryman walking resolutely through the terrain. He even filmed mock interviews of himself narrating his exploits. A joke circulated among Swiftees was that Kerry left Vietnam early not because he received three Purple Hearts, but because he had recorded enough film of himself to take home for his planned political campaigns." |
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08/04/2004 06:52:18 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
# A "fanny wound" was the highlight of Kerry's much touted "no man left behind" Bronze Star |
Should this read, "no man's left behind"? |
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08/04/2004 07:13:15 AM · #3 |
Please, keep political mud-flinging out of dpchallenge.
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08/04/2004 07:19:51 AM · #4 |
I´d like to see Michael Moore running for president in the US:p
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08/04/2004 08:47:10 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Nazgul:
I´d like to see Michael Moore running for president in the US:p |
So would George Bush |
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08/04/2004 09:02:54 AM · #6 |
Some of the parts that EddyG decided to leave out
The Kerry campaign is planning to vigorously counter the charges and will accuse the veteran's groups of being well-financed by a top Bush donor from Texas, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
"They hired a goddamn private investigator to dig up trash!" charged a top Kerry adviser traveling with the senator late Tuesday. "This is pay for play, and the dirtiest of all dirty tricks ever played on a candidate for the presidency. How low can they go?"
Kerry supporters are comparing the effort by the veterans to the Arkansas State troopers tell-all against Bill Clinton.
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08/04/2004 09:04:15 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by jonr:
Please, keep political mud-flinging out of dpchallenge. |
there is now a forum option to ignore a specific thread. I use it all the time and will do the same on this thread.
James
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08/04/2004 09:04:38 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by jonr:
Please, keep political mud-flinging out of dpchallenge. |
Please turn your RANT off. |
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08/04/2004 09:37:05 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by cbeller:
Some of the parts that EddyG decided to leave out
The Kerry campaign is planning to vigorously counter the charges and will accuse the veteran's groups of being well-financed by a top Bush donor from Texas, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
"They hired a goddamn private investigator to dig up trash!" charged a top Kerry adviser traveling with the senator late Tuesday. "This is pay for play, and the dirtiest of all dirty tricks ever played on a candidate for the presidency. How low can they go?"
Kerry supporters are comparing the effort by the veterans to the Arkansas State troopers tell-all against Bill Clinton. |
No way, he left information out to swain opinion in his favor?! Who does that?!
Eddie, do only 1/4 the searching on Bush as you do on Kerry and you will find much more solid information and many more cases of "bad news".
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08/04/2004 09:39:47 AM · #10 |
I support Kerry because he's not Bush.
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08/04/2004 09:54:46 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I support Kerry because he's not Bush. |
Wow, way too go... Too bad there isn't an IQ test for voting...
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08/04/2004 09:56:38 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I support Kerry because he's not Bush. |
Wow, way too go... Too bad there isn't an IQ test for voting... |
Is there one to be president ?
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08/04/2004 10:13:15 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I support Kerry because he's not Bush. |
Wow, way too go... Too bad there isn't an IQ test for voting... |
Is there one to be president ? |
To BE president, yes. To RUN for president, no. |
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08/04/2004 10:13:42 AM · #14 |
In good old Clinton times in my area:
Motorola built 4 manufacturing plants
Lucent built 2 manufacturing plants
Tellabs built 1 plant
3-com built 1 plant
Gas price 1.45 gallon
3 bedroom new home price 130,000 $
Milk gallon 2.20 $
In good new Bush times in my area:
Motorola closed 3 manufacturing plants
Lucent closed 2 manufacturing plants
Tellabs closed 1 plant
3-com closed 1 plant
Gas price 2.05 gallon
3 bedroom new home price 330,000 $
Milk gallon 4,20 $
4 more years please,I love misery ! |
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08/04/2004 10:22:21 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I support Kerry because he's not Bush. |
Me too - I'm still voting for the "anybody but" candidate. |
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08/04/2004 10:51:40 AM · #16 |
Eddy...... I appreciate your photographic advice. As for your opinion about Kerry's ability to assume duties as a military commander, based upon your endorsement of this politically orchestrated trash.... I will trust my own intuition and also consider other sources of information. Kerry's assignment in Vietnam was dangerous, ribbons and medals aside, in that he was not killed by the VC or NVA or fragged by his own men says something about his leadership ability under fire. Even more significant to me is his voice and prominence in the effort to end the war when he returned.
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08/04/2004 11:00:20 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
In good old Clinton times in my area:
Motorola built 4 manufacturing plants
Lucent built 2 manufacturing plants
Tellabs built 1 plant
3-com built 1 plant
Gas price 1.45 gallon
3 bedroom new home price 130,000 $
Milk gallon 2.20 $
In good new Bush times in my area:
Motorola closed 3 manufacturing plants
Lucent closed 2 manufacturing plants
Tellabs closed 1 plant
3-com closed 1 plant
Gas price 2.05 gallon
3 bedroom new home price 330,000 $
Milk gallon 4,20 $
4 more years please,I love misery ! |
Yes, 4 more years, please. Under Bush the average homeowner in your area increased their equity by $200,000 ( that's 254% ). And that's in just 4 years. Who knows how much they will gain in another 4 years under Bush. Do you think that they spent an extra $200,000 on gasoline and milk in the last 4 years? And under Bush's tax plan, they won't have to pay full taxes on the gain as they would under Kerry's plan. |
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08/04/2004 11:03:26 AM · #18 |
Could you find a less reputable source if you tried really hard ? Maybe you could try your Michael Moore fact checking skills on his articles next ?
"Screw journalism! The whole thing's a fraud anyway," Drudge has proclaimed. Though he calls himself an "information anarchist," he is anything but independent. Rather, he is a reliable submissive to his partisan "sources." One independent study of his "exclusive" stories determined that only about one-third were true.
The Drudge 'report'
In other 'news' Bush has been asked by the CIA to stop publishing his blog on the web.
Message edited by author 2004-08-04 11:10:01.
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08/04/2004 11:11:29 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
In good old Clinton times in my area:
Motorola built 4 manufacturing plants
Lucent built 2 manufacturing plants
Tellabs built 1 plant
3-com built 1 plant
Gas price 1.45 gallon
3 bedroom new home price 130,000 $
Milk gallon 2.20 $
In good new Bush times in my area:
Motorola closed 3 manufacturing plants
Lucent closed 2 manufacturing plants
Tellabs closed 1 plant
3-com closed 1 plant
Gas price 2.05 gallon
3 bedroom new home price 330,000 $
Milk gallon 4,20 $
4 more years please,I love misery ! |
Yes, 4 more years, please. Under Bush the average homeowner in your area increased their equity by $200,000 ( that's 254% ). And that's in just 4 years. Who knows how much they will gain in another 4 years under Bush. Do you think that they spent an extra $200,000 on gasoline and milk in the last 4 years? And under Bush's tax plan, they won't have to pay full taxes on the gain as they would under Kerry's plan. |
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Real estate was going up and up and up under Clinton and so Bush economic policies probably had little to do with that. If the economy is so strong now, then why are there such large inventories of automobiles at this time of the year that it seems the auto makers can't give them away? |
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08/04/2004 11:35:24 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
In good old Clinton times in my area:
Motorola built 4 manufacturing plants
Lucent built 2 manufacturing plants
Tellabs built 1 plant
3-com built 1 plant
Gas price 1.45 gallon
3 bedroom new home price 130,000 $
Milk gallon 2.20 $
In good new Bush times in my area:
Motorola closed 3 manufacturing plants
Lucent closed 2 manufacturing plants
Tellabs closed 1 plant
3-com closed 1 plant
Gas price 2.05 gallon
3 bedroom new home price 330,000 $
Milk gallon 4,20 $
4 more years please,I love misery ! |
Yes, 4 more years, please. Under Bush the average homeowner in your area increased their equity by $200,000 ( that's 254% ). And that's in just 4 years. Who knows how much they will gain in another 4 years under Bush. Do you think that they spent an extra $200,000 on gasoline and milk in the last 4 years? And under Bush's tax plan, they won't have to pay full taxes on the gain as they would under Kerry's plan. |
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Real estate was going up and up and up under Clinton and so Bush economic policies probably had little to do with that. If the economy is so strong now, then why are there such large inventories of automobiles at this time of the year that it seems the auto makers can't give them away? |
You have inadvertently made my point - that is, you shouldn't pick and choose which aspects of the economy you charge to or attribute to Bush, or to Clinton. Most economic swings take place regardless of who is in office. One COULD make the case that most of the Enron, etc. debacles were only made possible because of the lack of oversight during the Clinton administration, but that would be too simplistic - I think that our culture of stock-market "greed" both enabled and encouraged such criminal activities to occur - and that was apolitical.
Ron |
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08/04/2004 11:45:52 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by RonB:
Yes, 4 more years, please. Under Bush the average homeowner in your area increased their equity by $200,000 ( that's 254% ). And that's in just 4 years. Who knows how much they will gain in another 4 years under Bush. Do you think that they spent an extra $200,000 on gasoline and milk in the last 4 years? And under Bush's tax plan, they won't have to pay full taxes on the gain as they would under Kerry's plan. |
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Real estate was going up and up and up under Clinton and so Bush economic policies probably had little to do with that. If the economy is so strong now, then why are there such large inventories of automobiles at this time of the year that it seems the auto makers can't give them away? |
You have inadvertently made my point - that is, you shouldn't pick and choose which aspects of the economy you charge to or attribute to Bush, or to Clinton. Most economic swings take place regardless of who is in office. One COULD make the case that most of the Enron, etc. debacles were only made possible because of the lack of oversight during the Clinton administration, but that would be too simplistic - I think that our culture of stock-market "greed" both enabled and encouraged such criminal activities to occur - and that was apolitical.
Ron |
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While many of the economic debacles were going on during the Clinton years and continued on into the Bush years, I think it's a good idea to ask why these companies, like Enron, gave so much money as political campaign contributions to the Bush campaign and to what extent those campaign contributions are now helping to form the Bush economic and energy policies. That's the reason why we want to know what was discussed and what policies came about from Dick Cheney's energy meetings. |
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08/04/2004 12:05:20 PM · #22 |
How many members in the current cabinet saw any military service of any kind? I know about Bush's titular contribution to the saftey of the air space over Texas and later maybe Georgia.I was recently informed about Cheney's five deferments during Vietnam, a war he strongly belived in; but what about the rest of the "muscular empiricism" fans? Rummy, Wolfie, Ashcroft, any service there either? I know Powell served well and faithfully, that Ridge got a Silver star , and Rice is out of contention on the face of it, but do these folks represent the least amount of military service that has ever gathered around the cabinet table?
Edit Looks like Rumsfeld served stateside as a naval aviation instructor durnig WWII and that the Clinton cabinet had even fewer folk who saw active service.
Message edited by author 2004-08-04 12:14:37. |
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08/04/2004 12:22:35 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Originally posted by RonB:
Yes, 4 more years, please. Under Bush the average homeowner in your area increased their equity by $200,000 ( that's 254% ). And that's in just 4 years. Who knows how much they will gain in another 4 years under Bush. Do you think that they spent an extra $200,000 on gasoline and milk in the last 4 years? And under Bush's tax plan, they won't have to pay full taxes on the gain as they would under Kerry's plan. |
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Real estate was going up and up and up under Clinton and so Bush economic policies probably had little to do with that. If the economy is so strong now, then why are there such large inventories of automobiles at this time of the year that it seems the auto makers can't give them away? |
You have inadvertently made my point - that is, you shouldn't pick and choose which aspects of the economy you charge to or attribute to Bush, or to Clinton. Most economic swings take place regardless of who is in office. One COULD make the case that most of the Enron, etc. debacles were only made possible because of the lack of oversight during the Clinton administration, but that would be too simplistic - I think that our culture of stock-market "greed" both enabled and encouraged such criminal activities to occur - and that was apolitical.
Ron |
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While many of the economic debacles were going on during the Clinton years and continued on into the Bush years, I think it's a good idea to ask why these companies, like Enron, gave so much money as political campaign contributions to the Bush campaign and to what extent those campaign contributions are now helping to form the Bush economic and energy policies. That's the reason why we want to know what was discussed and what policies came about from Dick Cheney's energy meetings. |
In all liklihood, "these" ( unidentified ) companies probably gave so much money as political campaign contributions to the Bush campaign for the same reasons that people like Lewis and Soros gave so much money to political organizations like ACT Now and MoveOn.Org - namely because they agreed with the political positions of the receipient parties and wished to support the same. |
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08/04/2004 12:29:10 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
In good old Clinton times in my area:
Motorola built 4 manufacturing plants
Lucent built 2 manufacturing plants
Tellabs built 1 plant
3-com built 1 plant
Gas price 1.45 gallon
3 bedroom new home price 130,000 $
Milk gallon 2.20 $
In good new Bush times in my area:
Motorola closed 3 manufacturing plants
Lucent closed 2 manufacturing plants
Tellabs closed 1 plant
3-com closed 1 plant
Gas price 2.05 gallon
3 bedroom new home price 330,000 $
Milk gallon 4,20 $
4 more years please,I love misery ! |
Actually the upward turn in the economy started under the Bush 41 administration. Then Clinton had the luxury of riding on the coattails of the Internet boom, which really didn’t have anything to do with his administration (unless you believe that whole Gore invented the Internet thing). That boom was probably why Motorola, Lucent, Tellabs and 3-COM built plants in your area. Then the Internet boom busted towards the end if Clinton’s administration. The Internet bust was probably why Motorola, Lucent, Tellabs and 3-COM then closed plants in your area. When Bush 43 comes along, he not only inherits an already broken economy, he has to deal with the repercussions of a little thing called 911, which would have put a dent in any administration’s economy. I think the current economy is cruising along pretty good considering the extraordinary blow it took on 911. |
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08/04/2004 12:33:04 PM · #25 |
There you go all cunfusing his anti-bush reteric with facts :)
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