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 11/25/2011 01:44:16 PM · #1
OK enough is enough. All these occupy wall street protesters need to all be pepper sprayed and hauled off to jail. They are causing extremely unsanitary condition, taxing an already taxed police force and a lot of them don't even know why they are protesting. Many of them are protesting just to protest. Even the homeless are getting involved because they are getting handout along the way. This country can not survive by giving everything away.
11/25/2011 01:56:05 PM · #2
"Hauled off to jail" on what grounds? Financiers and their banks, who have utterly RAPED the system, at the expense of every one of us, are getting away scot-free, continuing their destructive financial manipulations even AFTER being bailed out by the government (that's US, it was OUR money), and you want to send those who are COMPLAINING about this to JAIL?

C'mon, have a heart. Even if you don't agree with them, the ideals of our system are based on their right to do what they are doing.

R.
 11/25/2011 02:02:15 PM · #3
They are costing tax payers millions in police overtime
 11/25/2011 02:08:55 PM · #4
The shenanigans they are protesting are costing us BILLIONS of dollars! Are you seriously telling me we have no right to protest this BS because "protests are expensive"? Millions and millions of dollars in police overtime is racked up every year on projects that are a whole lot less important. C'mon!

R.
 11/25/2011 02:11:58 PM · #5
Wow. Where to start. I guess with the prediction that this one won't stay in "General Discussion" too long.

1. The protesters aren't doing anything wrong. They have every right to protest. In the United States, the rights of assembly and free speech are "god-given" rights and are given to everyone, not just the people you or those in power agree with.

2. Yes, the police are being paid a lot of money, particularly in overtime, but that's not the protesters' fault. They didn't ask to be policed, especially not with the extreme numbers and force in which the police have been dispatched.

3. How do you know why the protesters are protesting? How do you know that they don't have a reason? That's pretty omniscient of you. Through news reports and interviews with the protesters, it sure seems like they DO know what they are protesting and why. If the protesters didn't agree with the purpose of the protests, they'd definitely stay home, as they have with the thousands of other protests that happen in the country every year. The sheer number of supporter it is one of the facts that shows how important the message is.

ETA:
4: Unless you make several million dollars a year, these people are protesting for YOUR benefit. Some thanks is in order, not senseless bashing.

Message edited by author 2011-11-25 14:14:09.
 11/25/2011 02:13:14 PM · #6
even though the following is a fairly biased view, it is does offer an eye-level perspective of what was there and what was going on.

portrait of a revolution

there's a huge difference between being pissed off and doing nothing but hanging around and complaining, versus being pissed off and taking action.
 11/25/2011 03:07:02 PM · #7
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
... This country can not survive by giving everything away.

Nor can it survive by a few keeping everything.
Cowboy, remember, we have a tradition of protesting.
Otherwise, we would still be bending a knee to the Queen.
 11/25/2011 06:06:08 PM · #8
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
...and a lot of them don't even know why they are protesting. Many of them are protesting just to protest.


I like this cartoon in response to this particular bit of propaganda much of the press keeps trotting out.

11/25/2011 06:10:32 PM · #9
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
They are costing tax payers millions in police overtime


If the police are working overtime for this then it is a very sad indication that their managers truly do NOT know how to manage. There truly is no problems in montitoring situations such as this with existing resources.

Demonstrations are NOT riots and can readily be dealt with.

Ray
 11/25/2011 06:12:35 PM · #10
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
The shenanigans they are protesting are costing us BILLIONS of dollars! Are you seriously telling me we have no right to protest this BS because "protests are expensive"? Millions and millions of dollars in police overtime is racked up every year on projects that are a whole lot less important. C'mon!

R.


What Bear_Music said. Having worked on countless numbers of VIP visits, trust me when I say that the costs associated with these demonstrations pale by comparisson.

Ray
 11/25/2011 06:13:57 PM · #11
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
They are causing extremely unsanitary condition, taxing an already taxed police force and a lot of them don't even know why they are protesting. Many of them are protesting just to protest.

I wonder what news channel *you* watch...
 11/25/2011 06:20:27 PM · #12
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
" This country can not survive by giving everything away.


You are absolutely right my friend. Just think of how far ahead the USA would be if they did not have to bail out financial institutions who continue to pay unbelievable bonuses to people who have done nothing to earn them, and support multi-national corporations through tax subsidies and the like.

We must not overlook the generous tax loopholes for these corporations and the very wealthy...

You are right in your assertions...but sadly you are looking at the wrong end of the spectrum when casting aspersions and blame.

Ray
 11/25/2011 06:20:37 PM · #13
Originally posted by JH:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
They are causing extremely unsanitary condition, taxing an already taxed police force and a lot of them don't even know why they are protesting. Many of them are protesting just to protest.

I wonder what news channel *you* watch...


The whole 'unsanitary' angle of reporting hit a new low of journalism recently in the UK when the London Evening Standard (a pretty right-wing rag) had a front page warning of the danger of AIDS and other illnesses at the Occupy St Pauls camp due to many of the protesters being heroin junkies and leaving their needles around. Truly a horrible and shocking bit of propaganda i thought if it wasn't so desperate and ridiculous.

Message edited by author 2011-11-25 18:26:41.
 11/25/2011 06:31:11 PM · #14
that's funny about "this country cannot survive by giving everything away.." the occupy wall street protest is EXACTLY about this country not being able to survive by TAKING everything away. Mr. Cowboy, you need to do some looking around.
 11/25/2011 07:08:59 PM · #15
There is a new study that people who watch Fox News are 18% less informed than those who don't watch the news at all. So I suggest Cowboy that you get your information from credible sources, and not the mouthpiece of the republican party. The republican party is bought and paid for by the banks, wall street, insurance companies, and the polluters.
What Occupy wants is an end to corporate financing of our elections. That way our politicians will be responsive to the will of the people.
 11/25/2011 07:27:17 PM · #16
Originally posted by franktheyank:
There is a new study that people who watch Fox News are 18% less informed than those who don't watch the news at all. So I suggest Cowboy that you get your information from credible sources, and not the mouthpiece of the republican party.


True, but i'd suggest that people be wary of all news sources, whether it's from the left or the right, when looking for any sort of journalistic 'truth'. Mainstream journalism, as we tend to think of it, has pretty much been crippled over the last couple of decades to the point that it is pretty much a shadow of what it once was. Even the papers with the best of intentions have been forced into 'corporate-thinking' and the need to get news out as quick, and to as many sources, as possible to make as much money as possible. Once that sort of thinking took hold any sort of old school fact-checking gets thrown out of the window. Newspapers used to rely on a large number of journalists to go out and report and check the story but now, due to far, far less staff, a story just gets trundled out and copied and copied a copied-each paper maybe having time to re-arrange a paragraph or so so it isn't verbatim what they get down the wire. The news agencies were once a source of leads but now it's just one part of the news factory along with P.R. Not much gets checked when there are time and monetary factors that need to be upheld. Churnalism they call it and it's as rampant in Fox News, BBC News, The Guardian or the New York Times.

Message edited by author 2011-11-25 19:27:36.
 11/25/2011 07:38:40 PM · #17
Originally posted by franktheyank:
There is a new study that people who watch Fox News are 18% less informed than those who don't watch the news at all. So I suggest Cowboy that you get your information from credible sources, and not the mouthpiece of the republican party. The republican party is bought and paid for by the banks, wall street, insurance companies, and the polluters.
What Occupy wants is an end to corporate financing of our elections. That way our politicians will be responsive to the will of the people.


You can't blame the Republicans without pointing your finger across the aisle at the Democrats. They're just as much in the pockets of the corporations as the Republicans. It's not a Republican vs Democrat issue, it's an issue of excess corporate influence over the governance of our country.
 11/25/2011 07:49:36 PM · #18
This piece by Naomi Wolf seems to put an, obvious i think, finger on what is happening. Much food for thought there i'd say.

'Since Occupy is heavily surveilled and infiltrated, it is likely that the DHS and police informers are aware, before Occupy itself is, what its emerging agenda is going to look like. If legislating away lobbyists' privileges to earn boundless fees once they are close to the legislative process, reforming the banks so they can't suck money out of fake derivatives products, and, most critically, opening the books on a system that allowed members of Congress to profit personally – and immensely – from their own legislation, are two beats away from the grasp of an electorally organised Occupy movement … well, you will call out the troops on stopping that advance.'

Message edited by author 2011-11-25 20:02:23.
 11/25/2011 08:09:33 PM · #19
I think OWS is organized by the Democratic Party in order to distract people from the horrendous job the current administration is doing. The only agenda is to re-elect Obama. it will heat up to wide spread riots this summer as the election nears.
 11/25/2011 08:11:09 PM · #20
wow...I left to watch the LSU game and then got jumped...... These protesters have the right to protest....and for that I am thankful. However, they are using homeless guys/girls to boost their numbers. Some of these people are un-employed. Some are under-employed. Some just want publicity. We should not punish a successful person for being successful.

Oh and by the way I do not watch CNN ( Communist News Network ) That is what we called it in the army. I watch FOX. I also don't watch NBC ( National Barack Channel ) Also from the army....
 11/25/2011 08:12:36 PM · #21
*sigh*
 11/25/2011 08:19:42 PM · #22
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
wow...I left to watch the LSU game and then got jumped...... These protesters have the right to protest....and for that I am thankful. However, they are using homeless guys/girls to boost their numbers. Some of these people are un-employed. Some are under-employed. Some just want publicity. We should not punish a successful person for being successful.

Oh and by the way I do not watch CNN ( Communist News Network ) That is what we called it in the army. I watch FOX. I also don't watch NBC ( National Barack Channel ) Also from the army....

Awww, hecks bells, Cowboy, I sure hope you also read or watch at least once other news source.
It's really necessary to hear more than one reporter to gain perspective on any issue. And this is a big issue.
And for heaven's sake, make sure they are reporters, not commentators.

To put that into personal perspective, I don't watch any TV news 'coverage' preferring to get my
information from daily and weekly print media.

Meanwhile, I hope your football game turned out the way you wanted it to.

Take care.
 11/25/2011 08:28:52 PM · #23
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
wow...I left to watch the LSU game and then got jumped...... These protesters have the right to protest....and for that I am thankful. However, they are using homeless guys/girls to boost their numbers. Some of these people are un-employed. Some are under-employed. Some just want publicity. We should not punish a successful person for being successful.

Oh and by the way I do not watch CNN ( Communist News Network ) That is what we called it in the army. I watch FOX. I also don't watch NBC ( National Barack Channel ) Also from the army....


First off, I can assure you that they are NOT using "homeless guys/girls to boost their numbers". More importantly, EVEN IF THEY WERE, homeless people and unemployed people HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS as any other Americans, and this is a completely ridiculous argument.
Yes, there are many unemployed people protesting. But you make it sound like that is a bad thing.
Unemployed people are not inherently bad people. Most of the time, they are extremely hard workers who have gotten unlucky and fallen on bad times because of the lousy economy. There are former CEOs that are unemployed. There are former teachers that are unemployed. There are former wealthy business people who are unemployed.
To talk negatively about the Occupy movement because there are unemployed people in the ranks is absolutely preposterous. Of course these people are protesting! They have experienced the negative outcomes of corporate greed first hand.
They are American, and are just as noble as any employed individual. The notion that the Occupy movement would somehow be better if it was composed mostly of rich employed people (the Tea Party maybe?) is completely ridiculous and discriminatory.
 11/25/2011 08:37:13 PM · #24
Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Oh and by the way I do not watch CNN ( Communist News Network ) That is what we called it in the army. I watch FOX. I also don't watch NBC ( National Barack Channel ) Also from the army....


You know, i hate to bring up the obvious irony of you, an army man spending time overseas to 'bring democracy' to Iraq or wherever, but seemingly keen on pepper-spraying it to bits in your own country. It's all a bit of a sham really isn't it?
 11/25/2011 08:40:21 PM · #25
Bring back Kropotkin i say. ;)
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