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07/29/2004 03:47:36 AM · #1
Lately a too severe judgement propagates like a plague in the evaluations.
In some of the last challenges, the winner doesn't have as average of the classifications 7. We cannot forget that the first positive number of this scale (1 to 10) is a 6!?
I suggest reduced the scale for 7 or 5!
07/29/2004 04:01:37 AM · #2
Just numbers.

They mean nothing in and of themselves, only in relation to other numbers.

In other words, distributions are for describing a populations characteristics; not as a measuring stick to brow-beat a population into some predetermined, acceptable norm.

Besides, the top shots (pretty much by definition) are scored as out-liers, and as such do not follow the distribution of the general populous.

David
:p
07/29/2004 05:18:27 AM · #3
I think you make sense, I would have understood otherwise.
07/29/2004 05:22:37 AM · #4
So what is the question again?
07/29/2004 05:25:02 AM · #5
Originally posted by victor01:

In some of the last challenges, the winner doesn't have as average of the classifications 7. We cannot forget that the first positive number of this scale (1 to 10) is a 6!?
I suggest reduced the scale for 7 or 5!

The average score in a voting scale of 1-10 is 5.5. Hence, it's exceptionally unlikely voting in a diverse population will ever get near to a perfect 10 score.
07/29/2004 06:58:10 AM · #6
math=
07/29/2004 07:07:09 AM · #7
Hey Laurie, I'm with you
07/29/2004 02:00:14 PM · #8
Originally posted by laurielblack:

math=

I guess I'm the odd one on this; I think math is fun.

But even the math majors cringe at statistics; but it's fun too, as long as it is kept real.

David
07/29/2004 02:02:39 PM · #9
Originally posted by Britannica:

I think math is fun.

David


Please don't use that kind of language around here...there are women and children present, for pete's sake! ;o)

Bad math experience(s) in college...college algebra...five times...not good...
07/29/2004 02:06:58 PM · #10
I have a college degree in math. I'm a fun guy.
07/29/2004 02:08:49 PM · #11
Originally posted by StevePax:

I have a college degree in math. I'm a fun guy.


I have a Master's in Counseling...maybe we should talk. LOL ;o)
07/29/2004 02:11:35 PM · #12
Originally posted by kiwiness:

So what is the question again?

He is making a comment about how the scale goes up to 10, but the winning scores are rarely above the 7's -- which isn't that far above the average of the scale.

What it seems he hasn't noticed yet is the low scores are also not at the bottom of the scale.

Basically he is not understanding how the average will always be pulled toward the middle of the scale, regardless of the high and low chosen for the scale.

David
07/29/2004 02:14:19 PM · #13
The perfect photo would get a perfect score, but since a perfect photo does not exist, it will never happen. No math required.
07/29/2004 02:15:13 PM · #14
Hey .. I'm in the math faculty for BA in Math with honours CS .. and just because most of us shower once a week and cut their hair once every 2 years and dress in black clothing doesn't mean we are abnormal and can't have fun.

Well .. thankfully I'm not one of those people .. the math demons have not possessed me yet .. but even scary for me at school sometimes .. and I've seeing those people for 3 years.

Yes .. all the stereotypes about math people are generally true.

Math is fun,
Mike
07/29/2004 02:16:34 PM · #15
Originally posted by Britannica:

Originally posted by kiwiness:

So what is the question again?

He is making a comment about how the scale goes up to 10, but the winning scores are rarely above the 7's -- which isn't that far above the average of the scale.

What it seems he hasn't noticed yet is the low scores are also not at the bottom of the scale.

Basically he is not understanding how the average will always be pulled toward the middle of the scale, regardless of the high and low chosen for the scale.

David


Aha thank you David. I was wondering what he was trying to say there....
07/29/2004 02:17:04 PM · #16
Originally posted by laurielblack:

... Bad math experience(s) in college...college algebra...five times...not good...

It always seems to be the classes I skipped that people hate. Glad I skipped them and started my Freshman year in Calculas. :p

Originally posted by StevePax:

I have a college degree in math. I'm a fun guy.

Hey, me too. ... on both accounts -- regardless what everyone thinks.

David
07/29/2004 02:31:09 PM · #17
I thought about this a bit and I agree, it would be easier for everyone if we had scores from 1 to 5 only. Easier for the voter to figure out how you feel about an image on a 1-5 scale than on a 1-10 scale. The difference between a shot that I score a 5 and one I score a 6 or 7 only depends of my mood in that moment and I don't belive that's different to anyone. On a 1-5 scale votes can become more precise:

5- perfect
4- good
3- average
2- below average
1- sucks

Much simpler than on a 1-10 scale where I don't know what's the difference between 8 and 9 and it is also useless because the photographer doesn't even feel the difference between my 8 score and my 9 one, but it can really affect your score multiplied by 100+
07/29/2004 02:49:22 PM · #18
Cristi: you can already do that.

When you vote, just use:
2 = sucks
4 = below average
6 = average
8 = good
10 = perfect

and ignore 1,3,5,7,9...

Message edited by author 2004-07-29 14:49:32.
07/29/2004 02:52:59 PM · #19
in that case just vote
10- perfect
8- good
6- average
4- below average
2- sucks
on the first round then if you have time go back and look at each group and adjust just in that group for best to poor
eg look at your eights and give the lower of the group 7s and the top 9s but leave the bulk at 8
07/29/2004 03:00:13 PM · #20
Originally posted by EddyG:

Cristi: you can already do that.

When you vote, just use:
2 = sucks
4 = below average
6 = average
8 = good
10 = perfect

and ignore 1,3,5,7,9...


I actualy do this, but the ones I ignore are 2,4,6,8 then after I'm done I go back and the best 9's become 10 and comment a few. Don't have time for more corrections because I'm on dialup. But I whas asking if it woiuldn't be easier for everyone, and votes more precise on a 5 scale?
07/29/2004 03:09:44 PM · #21
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

... I whas asking if it woiuldn't be easier for everyone, and votes more precise on a 5 scale?


Less numbers = less precision by definition. The 1-10 scale allows for fine tuning.
07/29/2004 03:17:06 PM · #22
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

... I whas asking if it woiuldn't be easier for everyone, and votes more precise on a 5 scale?


Less numbers = less precision by definition. The 1-10 scale allows for fine tuning.


Hmm I don't know, really how do you draw the line between a shot that deserves 6 and one that deserves 7? Isn't that entirely depending on your mood that moment? Ok your going to say, it doesn't count and your right it doesn't, but it does after 100+ votes/moods. That's what I mean by less precise. With only 5 numbers it's easier to draw the line. I mean a shot that gets 4 must be allot better than one you give 3. 4 is good 3 is average that's clear and precise.
07/29/2004 04:10:44 PM · #23
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

... I whas asking if it woiuldn't be easier for everyone, and votes more precise on a 5 scale?


Less numbers = less precision by definition. The 1-10 scale allows for fine tuning.


Hmm I don't know, really how do you draw the line between a shot that deserves 6 and one that deserves 7? Isn't that entirely depending on your mood that moment? Ok your going to say, it doesn't count and your right it doesn't, but it does after 100+ votes/moods. That's what I mean by less precise. With only 5 numbers it's easier to draw the line. I mean a shot that gets 4 must be allot better than one you give 3. 4 is good 3 is average that's clear and precise.

By that logic we should just vote each picture thumbs-up or thumbs-down -- it's either a good or bad photo, "easy" to draw a line there ... but we'd lose all those decimal places on the scores ....
07/29/2004 04:26:22 PM · #24
The 10 needs to be preserve because it employs enough latitude to avoid excessive ties. Yes, the scope is wide, but everyone eventually finds a model that fits their personality. The end result is the combination of this mish-mash of personal voting systems, but it appears to work.
07/29/2004 04:31:05 PM · #25
It's not easy to judge the exact value of a particular photograph. We rely on the personal, subjective experiences, tastes, moods and whims of individual voters to make that decision. Each voter has his or her own criteria for greatness.

The 1-10 scale allows voters a way to note standouts from the 'good' group that still aren't quite perfect. I almost always go back through my scores and refine those from each group that deserve a little more or less than others in the pile. The simpler you make the voting scale, the easier it is for voters to blaze through the images without thoughtful consideration.
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