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12/22/2010 07:07:05 AM · #1 |
I've always wonder why there is such a big breach between the average vote of participants and the average vote of non-participants. If we look carefully, there is always a ~0.5-1.0 difference in the final score.
This is a site for entertainment, we don't win anything except for the satisfaction of displaying our artwork, and seeing our photographs rated and discussed. Therefore, if people are only here to win, then the whole idea of DPC falls apart. We all like to win, of course, but if you can't accept other people shooting better pictures thank you, at least refrain from voting. I don't mind getting a 1 or a 10 , if it's really what you think that's what the picture deserves (although I do like to get comments when they vote with 1 or 2, so I know what's so wrong with my picture, and I learn from it). But if you think "Oh, this is a very cool image, but I want to win, so instead of giving it an 8 I'll give it a 5...", then you're misunderstanding the nature of DPC.
Sometimes I think maybe DPC should not allow participants to vote. That way, we would all get the rating other people indifferently give us. Let me tell you, all the scores would go up. It's sad to see that some marvelous photographs sometimes even win a challenge with an average of only 7, or even less. What does it take to get an average of 8 or 9? (I don't say 10, because that would be impossible).
What do you think? |
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12/22/2010 09:09:13 AM · #2 |
You know this is a subject that comes up every week, right?
I also notice that participants average is usually lower, however I have also seen many where it is higher. I personally have more interest in the challenges I am entered in. I enjoy seeing how others approached the topic, and would vote less if I could not vote on those challenges. Unless my own entry is doing extremely well, my own voting average in a given challenge is usually better than what I am getting. We all like higher numbers. Others are harsher, but it evens out in the rankings.
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12/22/2010 10:39:38 AM · #3 |
It's only natural to judge other's work by what we perceive our one work to be worth.
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12/22/2010 11:24:38 AM · #4 |
| I don't vote photos lower than they deserve when I'm participating in a challenge, but sometimes I vote photos higher than they deserve when I'm not participating. |
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12/22/2010 11:43:41 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
It's only natural to judge other's work by what we perceive our one work to be worth. |
i agree to a point, but my thought was more along the lines of those entering have an idea already in their mind of what fits the challenge...anything different makes them naturally pause, so does this make them question their own entry now? And if they are questioning their own idea/execution, does this make them feel they have to "defend' their choice by giving the other photos a "tougher" vote? Just my thought. ~Personally, I'm a bit more generous in those challenges I've entered as most ideas/execution are much better than mine! :P |
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12/22/2010 12:08:32 PM · #6 |
Depends on the image, some images are pretty much similar across the board..
Avg (all users): 7.2849
Avg (commenters): 8.4286
Avg (participants): 7.0938
Avg (non-participants): 7.3265 |
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12/22/2010 12:48:56 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Depends on the image, some images are pretty much similar across the board..
Avg (all users): 7.2849
Avg (commenters): 8.4286
Avg (participants): 7.0938
Avg (non-participants): 7.3265 |
Looks like those commenters were skewing things. Maybe we should get rid of them! ;) |
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12/22/2010 12:56:02 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Depends on the image, some images are pretty much similar across the board..
Avg (all users): 7.2849
Avg (commenters): 8.4286
Avg (participants): 7.0938
Avg (non-participants): 7.3265 |
Looks like those commenters were skewing things. Maybe we should get rid of them! ;) |
Little doubt.. I say ban all commenters! |
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12/23/2010 12:25:00 AM · #9 |
| Let's replace the commenters with trolls! Grab your pitch forks and your torches...someone grab Art, he'll be pissed if he misses this one... |
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12/23/2010 12:39:38 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by bergiekat:
Let's replace the commenters with trolls! Grab your pitch forks and your torches...someone grab Art, he'll be pissed if he misses this one... |
I've got my torch!
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12/23/2010 12:42:39 AM · #11 |
Commenters are WITCHES! Burn them, I say!
*Joins angry mob*
Message edited by author 2010-12-23 00:42:56.
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12/23/2010 01:22:26 AM · #12 |
Am I late? |
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12/23/2010 01:22:54 AM · #13 |
The commenters turned me into a newt!
... but I got better.
Burn them!!!
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01/10/2011 09:28:48 AM · #14 |
| LOL you guys are something else! :) |
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01/10/2011 11:21:25 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Depends on the image, some images are pretty much similar across the board..
Avg (all users): 7.2849
Avg (commenters): 8.4286
Avg (participants): 7.0938
Avg (non-participants): 7.3265 |
Looks like those commenters were skewing things. Maybe we should get rid of them! ;) |
Little doubt.. I say ban all commenters! |
That would sure make MY job easier :-)
edit to add:
I almost never think of my own image when voting in a challenge I've entered. Also, I'm always more interested in voting challenges I've entered because, well, I entered them because they were more interesting to me. Besides, in most cases, it's like comparing apples with oranges. Of course, it's impossible not to when there is an image similar to mine, especially if it's better than mine! I (still) don't have a problem recognizing work that is better than mine. But ask me again in another year :-)
Message edited by author 2011-01-10 11:25:07. |
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01/10/2011 12:05:21 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by dcanossa:
But if you think "Oh, this is a very cool image, but I want to win, so instead of giving it an 8 I'll give it a 5...", then you're misunderstanding the nature of DPC.
What do you think? |
I think that's the instant conculsion when those stats show up, but I don't think that's what's going on at all. People who have a vested interest in a challenge (becuase they have an entry of their own in it) are naturally going to view the other entries with a more discriminating eye. And I think that's all there is to it. If there were truly the kind of conspiratorial voting going on that you're describing, the difference would show up in full points, not fractions thereof.
Yes, I know I'm responding to a three week old question. |
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