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12/24/2002 12:38:12 PM · #1 |
I have a question about the rules here. Say someone really wants to achieve a certain effect but can't do so without photoshop.. but the rules state that no spot editing is allowed? Is it okay to do the spot editing and print out a picture on the printer and take a picture of the print? You get the exif data that states that the submission is legal but IMO that's cheating.
I've seen some images archived here that used printouts from the printer to bend the rules a bit and achieve an effect you would have not been able to get if you used only your camera. Any thoughts? |
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12/24/2002 12:49:51 PM · #2 |
| It depends. Generally when it is the whole image that is re-photographed, that really isn't in the spirit of the rules. However, most cases something else is added to the final result. |
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12/24/2002 12:58:14 PM · #3 |
Using a printed picture (art) as a part of your composition is fine. Using it to create the entirety of your composition is against the rules and would result in a disqualification.
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12/24/2002 02:07:39 PM · #4 |
Maybe a new poll is in order... why not ask the members group if they want to be able to spot edit? Maybe allowing this in the future would increase membership levels some :)
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12/24/2002 02:21:12 PM · #5 |
maybe just intermittantly have spot edited challenges for members
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12/24/2002 02:24:18 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Maybe a new poll is in order... why not ask the members group if they want to be able to spot edit? Maybe allowing this in the future would increase membership levels some :) |
Part of me would like to allow spot editing. I tend to do that on many of my other photos anyway. However, I like the challenge presented here with no spot editing. I believe that under that constraint I have become a better photographer. Since I have quite a ways to go in improving my photography, I am not yet ready to give up that rule.
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12/24/2002 02:33:22 PM · #7 |
I don't think i have become a better photographer by not being able to spot edit. I think that I could make 'some' of my photos better by being able to spot edit though. There are some things that you can't control with your composition or with your camera.
I'm not interested in using spot editing to make any 'major' changes to a photo... just minor ones... the ones you get dinged for around here :)
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12/24/2002 02:42:13 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I don't think i have become a better photographer by not being able to spot edit. I think that I could make 'some' of my photos better by being able to spot edit though. There are some things that you can't control with your composition or with your camera.
I'm not interested in using spot editing to make any 'major' changes to a photo... just minor ones... the ones you get dinged for around here :) |
True. Although I have found that not being able to spot edit has forced me to pay more attention to the details in the viewfinder/LCD. I think this better attention to detail has helped me improve, vs a more casual attitude I sometimes have of "I'll fix it later".
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12/24/2002 02:45:12 PM · #9 |
I don't want to see spot editing by the photographers. I have a heck of a time with hot pixels that I'd like to see covered though. Maybe if there was a little blurb on a photo it could be removed or covered with a little spot editing, just not by the photographer. Maybe the mod's could help out and fix a hot pixel or slight lens flare here or there. I think if we do allow photographers to edit their own pics, it would get out of hand due to differences in interpretations.
My $.02, no money down, no payments till 2010. Tax, title and license fees excluded.
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12/24/2002 02:56:26 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by inspzil:
I don't want to see spot editing by the photographers. I have a heck of a time with hot pixels that I'd like to see covered though. Maybe if there was a little blurb on a photo it could be removed or covered with a little spot editing, just not by the photographer. Maybe the mod's could help out and fix a hot pixel or slight lens flare here or there. I think if we do allow photographers to edit their own pics, it would get out of hand due to differences in interpretations.
My $.02, no money down, no payments till 2010. Tax, title and license fees excluded. |
Theres no difference in what you want to do with your hot pixels and what i want to do with my own photos.
How about a spec of dust that shows up in a macro shot that you could not see until you looked at the image on your computer screen? This is the type of editing I would like to be able to do...
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12/24/2002 03:24:24 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by BigSmiles:
I have a question about the rules here. Say someone really wants to achieve a certain effect but can't do so without photoshop.. but the rules state that no spot editing is allowed? Is it okay to do the spot editing and print out a picture on the printer and take a picture of the print? You get the exif data that states that the submission is legal but IMO that's cheating.
I've seen some images archived here that used printouts from the printer to bend the rules a bit and achieve an effect you would have not been able to get if you used only your camera. Any thoughts? |
I've created some photos that used this method so I thought I would respond. As an example my 'Garbage In Garbage Out' photo used a photoshop manipulated photo printed out to create the illusion of garbage coming out of the printer. Since the illusion would have been reveiled by viewing the setup live it could only work by being photographed from one specific angle. The printout was only a part of the overall scene and by combining it with the printer and phtographed from that specific angle the desired affect was achieved. As long as there is some other element in the photo to go along with the print out or artwork then the whole context of the photo is changed and is acceptable.
T
Message edited by author 2002-12-24 15:26:05.
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12/24/2002 05:39:39 PM · #12 |
The rules handicap users with inferior software.
There have been many photos here which have had all but one colour desaturated by legal means. I, however, am not so lucky as to have Photoshop. The only way I can achieve this effect is by spot editing. |
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12/24/2002 06:08:35 PM · #13 |
Then go an intirely different route altogether. Use your camera and software to produce the types of images they can do a nice job with. In all competitions there are various skill levels, and qualities of equipment. If you are using less then ideal equipment and software imagine how satisfied you will feel when you get first place.
T
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12/24/2002 06:37:23 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Gina Rothfels:
The rules handicap users with inferior software. |
You have the option of downloading the GIMP, which was originally designed as a PhotoShop clone for unix, but there's now an MS Windows version - you can download them from here:
the GIMP website
the GIMP for MS Windows
Oh yeah, its free :o)
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12/24/2002 10:53:29 PM · #15 |
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12/24/2002 10:56:46 PM · #16 |
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12/24/2002 11:11:09 PM · #17 |
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12/24/2002 11:47:59 PM · #18 |
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12/25/2002 12:02:11 AM · #19 |
Here's something I suggested a while back that I'd like to revisit.
I'm curious how many people are interested in a third, separate challenge. This would be a challenge to which the Image Modification Rules would not apply, and would be open to members only.
I'm interested in who
- Is a member and would participate in such a challenge.
- Is not a member and would join if such a challenge were available.
- Would not participat in such a challenge, and why.
-Terry
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12/25/2002 12:49:41 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
a challenge to which the Image Modification Rules would not apply
- Is a member and would participate in such a challenge.
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I think this would be a great challenge and would certainly push me into doing something I haven't had a lot of experience with... I try to use the editing more (for non-challenge shots) but frankly I ain't so good :) Maybe with a challenge like this I'd get better :)
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12/25/2002 12:51:30 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Here's something I suggested a while back that I'd like to revisit.
I'm curious how many people are interested in a third, separate challenge. This would be a challenge to which the Image Modification Rules would not apply, and would be open to members only.
I'm interested in who
- Is a member and would participate in such a challenge.
- Is not a member and would join if such a challenge were available.
- Would not participat in such a challenge, and why.
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I would participate in it as long as it was not a digital art competition and followed the same guidelines as regular challenges do now, just with no limited editing... i wouuld probably do that instead of the regular member challenge...
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12/25/2002 01:41:16 AM · #22 |
I would participate as long as it was in ADDITION to the normal challenges. I'd probably do pretty good in a challenge like that. I have to go to bed now, so santa will come. ;)
Have a great holiday everyone!
~Heather~
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12/25/2002 02:02:10 PM · #23 |
I might participate in this if offered in addition to the other challenges, although I've been finding I don't miss the editing tools nearly as much as I thought I would when I started here.
I think it would require people to think about/evaluate the photos a little differently, and I think photographers who are at all "daring" will hit both extremes of the voting scale. |
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12/25/2002 02:09:56 PM · #24 |
I think there must be widespread misconception about WHY unlimited editing is desired...
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12/25/2002 02:16:14 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I think there must be widespread misconception about WHY unlimited editing is desired... |
Or misconception as to why it is not...
-Terry
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