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06/28/2004 10:18:04 AM · #1 |
I’ve heard a lot about why I should not vote for George Bush. So this topic is dedicated to John Kerry and only John Kerry. Let’s hear what is good and bad about Mr. Kerry. Why should he or should he not be president? Thus, there should be no mention of George in this forum. I know it’s difficult, but let’s talk about Mr. Kerry without any Bush bashing.
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06/28/2004 10:43:53 AM · #2 |
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06/28/2004 10:57:13 AM · #3 |
He wants to go back to the clinton era of dealing with terrorism. Which means trying to arrest them, bringing them back to America and then giving them an American Jury trial.
Personally I think this is one of the dumbest ways to deal with terrorism and has been prooved completly ineffective by Carter, Reagan, Bush 1 and Clinton.
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He wants to tax to death anyone who makes over 100,000 a year. This will kill small business. For instance, a shop owner who is most likely NOT incorporated, but instead the company is linked through his PERSONAL social security number might GROSS 300,000. I know many of you are like DAMN, thats a lot of money, well it's not. Grossing 300 is crap and because he is not incorporated, he will loose his shirt.
Stores like the one above are the number one employer in the country, I fall into the category. If I thought Kerry was really going to help me, I would vote for him, why, because I'm a greedy business owner simply put!
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Vietnam?
Kerry is a supposed war hero? He was in Vietnam for less than 4 months. In a span of less than 3 months he was superficially wounded 3 times. 2 of those time at least were self inflicted wounds, where he also put others in his team in great danger. Case in point, his last purple heart came from throwing a grenade carelessly into an empty sepan, coming close to injuring his whole team. He got a purple heart for a wound that the coreman couldn't even find?
BTW: Kerry was turned down for at least 2 of his purple hearts and he mysteriously got them at a later time. After #3 was recieved he immeditly requested a political appointment in WDC I believe.
When he first got back he hated vietnam. He, in front of congress and under oath personally said that HE and his TEAM MEMBERS had committed and witnessed many attrocities, he SAID HE COMMITED THEM. The people he was with in Vietnam with were horrible animals!
Yet now that he is running for Office, they are his band of brothers? There is a reason why all but 2 of his unit members are suing Kerry for use of their names/pictures in his election campaign.
Also, accoring to Kerry Richard Nixon started vietnam! Did I miss something in History class?
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I voted for it before I voted against it
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His wife! Need I say more?
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The only time he was ever in business for him self involved steeling his idea from someone else!
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Wants to kiss France's Ass!
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Is unable to count! He still thinks were alone in the war on terror. Apparently countries only count when they are Russia, France or Germany.
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Thinks the UN is a great governing body, and thinks we need their permission for everything.
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He is still comparing our economy to the great depression.
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While he said he's going to create millions of jobs and is going to raise taxes and bring business back to the US, he has NEVER ONCE EVER SAID HOW HE WAS GOING TO DO IT.
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Kerry hasn't been to church in YEARS, yet as soon as he started running for office he goes to Black Catholic Churches??? WTF is up with that!
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He thinks that the war on terrorism only means the Taliban and only if it's in Afganistan.
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06/28/2004 11:05:19 AM · #4 |
Kerry hasn't been to church in YEARS, yet as soon as he started running for office he goes to Black Catholic Churches??? WTF is up with that!
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Dude! I so know what you're talking about. Why on earth would he go to a BLACK catholic church?? It's crazy! Like he views BLACK people as equal or something! Man the guy is nuts!
Wants to kiss France's Ass!
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Ugh! France! I'm so glad we have freedom fries now instead of French Fries! They taste so much better DIPPED IN IRAQI BLOOD. I say we blow up the statue of liberty and mail the pieces back to France one by one. That'll show them for being non-supporters! |
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06/28/2004 11:20:26 AM · #5 |
| its so funny the animosity twards France now. especially considering they were one of the few SMART countries and knew to stay out of this war and away from Dubya. |
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06/28/2004 12:25:44 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
its so funny the animosity twards France now. especially considering they were one of the few SMART countries and knew to stay out of this war and away from Dubya. |
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The only reason France didn't join us in Iraq was because they stood to loose billions of dollars by not haveing Saddam in power. The lefties cry about going to war with Iraq for Oil with no proof, but they keep shut about France, Germany and Russia NOT going because of oil and money and it HAS BEEN proven. Those 3 countries prefered to risk hundreds of thousands of lives for oil and money, yet none of you complaign about that!!!
BTW: All three of those coutries via their own intelligence said they knew Saddam has WMDs and Russia knew that Saddam was planning terrorist attacks on America, which only adds fuel to my fire!
Originally posted by jadin:
Dude! I so know what you're talking about. Why on earth would he go to a BLACK catholic church?? |
Typical Liberal, lets drive around the facts and incinuate that he is a racist! Do you not find the irony or at least the complete patheticness in what he did? Black people should be offended because Kerry thinks they are so stupid that by just going to church with them they will vote for him.
Originally posted by jadin:
Ugh! France! I'm so glad we have freedom fries now instead of French Fries! They taste so much better DIPPED IN IRAQI BLOOD. I say we blow up the statue of liberty and mail the pieces back to France one by one. That'll show them for being non-supporters! |
wow, your reply is as childish as renaming french fries.
Message edited by author 2004-06-28 12:28:16.
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06/28/2004 12:32:52 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Those 3 countries prefered to risk hundreds of thousands of lives for oil and money, yet none of you complaign about that!!! |
how is that any different than what the US did/is doing?
Message edited by author 2004-06-28 12:37:34. |
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06/28/2004 12:39:35 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by jadin:
Kerry hasn't been to church in YEARS, yet as soon as he started running for office he goes to Black Catholic Churches??? WTF is up with that!
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Dude! I so know what you're talking about. Why on earth would he go to a BLACK catholic church?? It's crazy! Like he views BLACK people as equal or something! Man the guy is nuts!
Wants to kiss France's Ass!
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Ugh! France! I'm so glad we have freedom fries now instead of French Fries! They taste so much better DIPPED IN IRAQI BLOOD. I say we blow up the statue of liberty and mail the pieces back to France one by one. That'll show them for being non-supporters! |
I'm not American so my 2 cents is not worth anything and should'nt be in regards to American elections. But sometimes it's hard to read Americans, is the above quote a seriuos one or sarcasm?
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06/28/2004 01:31:35 PM · #9 |
Russell2566 "BTW: All three of those coutries via their own intelligence said they knew Saddam has WMDs and Russia knew that Saddam was planning terrorist attacks on America, which only adds fuel to my fire!"
Any chance one of them could tell Tony or Dubya where the WMD's are coz their beginning to look even stupider than they did before the war/occupation.
Steve
edit- some nice italics
Message edited by author 2004-06-28 13:32:43. |
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06/28/2004 01:39:09 PM · #10 |
| Whadda ya think, louddog? Your request didn't even survive the first post... |
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06/28/2004 01:39:44 PM · #11 |
| Whatever America's (and supporting nation's) motives are, the fact is they're freeing millions of Iraqis from decades of oppression. Is that a bad thing? |
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06/28/2004 01:43:20 PM · #12 |
| Does Kerry even matter? Isn't he the "anybody but" vote? |
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06/28/2004 01:59:11 PM · #13 |
Still waiting for one good thing about Kerry... I think we can all agree that Kerry is not Bush. Is that a good reason to elect someone president? I'm not Bush either, would I make a good president?
Why would Kerry make a good president? There has to be something. Does he have some good plans?
Should we examine his voting record in the senate? Maybe he has led an exemplary personal life, maybe we should look into that? Is he a great business man? He is pretty good at marrying money. Maybe he can marry some money into our economy.
He does have real nice hair and a wrinkle free forehead...
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06/28/2004 02:07:31 PM · #14 |
| I don't think this is the best forum for hearing unbiased opinions about Kerry; this is an overwhelmingly conservative message board. I suggest googling around a bit for websites designed to put forward candidates' platforms without poking holes in or hiding bits of it, while avoiding parading him as some flawless messiah. |
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06/28/2004 02:45:20 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
Whatever America's (and supporting nation's) motives are, the fact is they're freeing millions of Iraqis from decades of oppression. Is that a bad thing? |
I seem to remember being taught that the ends shouldn't be used to justify the means in most cases.
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06/28/2004 03:11:44 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Malokata:
I don't think this is the best forum for hearing unbiased opinions about Kerry; this is an overwhelmingly conservative message board. I suggest googling around a bit for websites designed to put forward candidates' platforms without poking holes in or hiding bits of it, while avoiding parading him as some flawless messiah. |
Frankly, I felt just the opposite. I expect any minute those who have had nothing nice to say about the current president to come in and tell the good stuff about Kerry.
I've always considered this an "overwhelmingly liberal" message board. Guess it is just a matter of perspective.
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06/28/2004 03:21:07 PM · #17 |
Perhaps the best thing about him is Mrs. Kerry. The Heinz Company has a history of being one of the most progressively-run large corporations in the country. Among other things, I believe they kept all of their workers on the payroll (and off of welfare) throughout the Great Depression.
Compared to the ruthless rapaciousness of the cronies of the current Administration, I think corporatization under the Kerry cronies might be a tad less oppressive (and therefore perhaps more insidious as well) than that under Bush.
I also suspect that any of the First Ladies since Lary Bird Johnson would have made as good (or better) a President as their husbands.
Message edited by author 2004-06-28 15:23:32. |
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06/28/2004 03:51:48 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The Heinz Company has a history of being one of the most progressively-run large corporations in the country. |
They also have run screaming from Kerry.
I would certainly vote for loudog before I voted for Kerry!
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06/28/2004 04:16:34 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Fibre Optix:
I'm not American so my 2 cents is not worth anything and should'nt be in regards to American elections. But sometimes it's hard to read Americans, is the above quote a seriuos one or sarcasm? |
Complete sarcasm. |
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06/28/2004 04:34:30 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by louddog:
I think we can all agree that Kerry is not Bush. Is that a good reason to elect someone president? . |
Good enough for me! |
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06/28/2004 05:03:02 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by emorgan49:
Originally posted by louddog:
I think we can all agree that Kerry is not Bush. Is that a good reason to elect someone president? . |
Good enough for me! |
Thats scary!
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06/28/2004 05:07:10 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Originally posted by emorgan49:
Originally posted by louddog:
I think we can all agree that Kerry is not Bush. Is that a good reason to elect someone president? . |
Good enough for me! |
Thats scary! |
You don't think the Republicans would have voted for anyone but Gore? |
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06/28/2004 05:17:57 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Russell2566:
Originally posted by emorgan49:
Originally posted by louddog:
I think we can all agree that Kerry is not Bush. Is that a good reason to elect someone president? . |
Good enough for me! |
Thats scary! |
You don't think the Republicans would have voted for anyone but Gore? |
*sighs* No, I don't think all of us would have. Perhaps some, perhaps many, but many of us (as in my parents) also weighed their decisions first.
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06/28/2004 05:21:36 PM · #24 |
The primary plus for a Kerry vote, is the fortune of his wife will likely have a positive influence on policy toward business and thus a positive impact on the stock market. (good for those w/ portfolios)
I am concerned about his behavior in and following Viet Nam, his consistent "left" voting record, and my perception based on his opposition to Iraq, that he would remove our troops before the mission was completed. (not good for those who support dealing with Iraq NOW instead of LATER).
I have no opinion nor care about his religious attendence, who he marry's or sleeps with, or how he spends his vacation time. I do care about my personal liberties and how he will or will not restrict them.
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06/28/2004 06:51:55 PM · #25 |
This is an observation by an innocent by-stander, as we Europeans always are when you, Americans, decide on who will lead the 'free Western World'. The last time, when Bush and Gore were competing, the vote was carried away in the trash-bins that had or had not been filled with punched cards from a totally out-of-this-world voting machinery. On top of that, a few contenders who had no chance at all to start with, took votes from the liberal side as well. Now we are where we are.
What will it be this time? The only real choice is between the continuation of a government that has accumulated a mountain of opposition around the globe, or to try and find a new way to speak with other people.
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