Multiples for advanced editing - DPChallenge Forums

06/01/2010 01:23:43 AM · #1

after reading the advanced editing rules i am still confused about in-camera multiple exposers.
simply, is it allowable for advanced editing to take two different image with the in- camera multiple exposure setting?
can any one clarify this for me?

Message edited by author 2010-06-01 01:33:03.

asamite

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6G

06/01/2010 02:33:35 AM · #2

I see it as this...as long as you are taking multiple exposures of the exact same scene, then you are OK. If you took a picture of a field and then a picture of a flag superimposed on it, you would be in violation. But if you took a picture of a field and then overlaid it with another picture of the same field with no new elements in it, you would be fine. I don't necessarily see why you would do that though.

What is more acceptable is taking multiple exposures and combining them to possible work with some HDR technologies. This is being discussed in more depth on another thread.

06/01/2010 09:08:06 AM · #3

then the true multiple exposure is not allowed for advanced editing? only for use in HDR.

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

06/01/2010 09:15:52 AM · #4

In-camera multiple exposures accomplished as you take a single shot (a long exposure with lens covered or strobe flashes) are always allowed. Combining multiple exposures using an in-camera editing feature is post-processing and subject to the same editing rules as Photoshop: the captured scene must not change between frames.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

06/01/2010 10:11:06 AM · #5

My new camera has a feature for removing tourists from photos.

Actually, removing moving objects. The camera takes 5 shots in succession then blends them. The gap between shots can be adjusted to accommodate the movement speed.

Would this mode be allowed under advanced?

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

06/01/2010 10:18:59 AM · #6

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Combining multiple exposures using an in-camera editing feature is post-processing and subject to the same editing rules as Photoshop: the captured scene must not change between frames.

You can't use multiple exposures to edit out people. It makes no difference whether the post-processing is done in Photoshop, Lightroom or your camera.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

06/01/2010 10:27:22 AM · #7

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:
My new camera has a feature for removing tourists from photos.

Actually, removing moving objects. The camera takes 5 shots in succession then blends them. The gap between shots can be adjusted to accommodate the movement speed.

Would this mode be allowed under advanced?

Originally posted by scalvert:
Combining multiple exposures using an in-camera editing feature is post-processing and subject to the same editing rules as Photoshop: the captured scene must not change between frames.

You can't use multiple exposures to edit out people. It makes no difference whether the post-processing is done in Photoshop, Lightroom or your camera.

That was my thought. Thanks for clarifying.

sarampo

Nikon D7100

Nikon AF-S DX 18-105 f/3.5-5.6 ED VR

06/01/2010 10:31:32 AM · #8

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

My new camera has a feature for removing tourists from photos.

Hi Colette, the Fuji does that?? Cool :)

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

06/01/2010 11:51:21 AM · #9

This article in the Shutterstock Newsletter for May explains how to do this with Photoshop (newer versions). Still not legal for DPC, but a good trick to know ...

Message edited by author 2010-06-01 11:51:47.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

06/01/2010 01:00:40 PM · #10

Originally posted by GeneralE:

This article in the Shutterstock Newsletter for May explains how to do this with Photoshop (newer versions). Still not legal for DPC, but a good trick to know ...

Only works if you have the "extended" version, CS3 or above, unfortunately.

R.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70 f2.8 L IS

06/01/2010 01:13:05 PM · #11

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Only works if you have the "extended" version, CS3 or above, unfortunately.

R.

Can still be done manually. A little more work... OK, a lot more work ;-) but not hard at all. Biggest challenge is changing lighting conditions between exposures. I used this technique to remove tourists from some (hand-held) shots at Chichen Itza a couple years ago, pretty successfully. With persistence, one can create an urban scene devoid of traffic or people. I recall seeing examples of it being done, but have not tried it myself.

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

06/01/2010 01:19:15 PM · #12

Originally posted by sarampo:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:
My new camera has a feature for removing tourists from photos.

Hi Colette, the Fuji does that?? Cool :)

Yes. I haven't tried it yet. I think it will be hit and miss and a bit of trial and error in setting the duration of the 5 shots.

From Fuji's website:

Motion Remover

Remove the tourists from your pictures! This useful function captures 5 successive shots, analyzes them and removes moving subjects.

The kicker is you get a 2MP file (not full resolution)

Message edited by author 2010-06-01 13:28:24.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

06/01/2010 01:22:30 PM · #13

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Only works if you have the "extended" version, CS3 or above, unfortunately.

R.

Can still be done manually. A little more work... OK, a lot more work ;-) but not hard at all. Biggest challenge is changing lighting conditions between exposures. I used this technique to remove tourists from some (hand-held) shots at Chichen Itza a couple years ago, pretty successfully. With persistence, one can create an urban scene devoid of traffic or people. I recall seeing examples of it being done, but have not tried it myself.

Sure, I've done that myself. Lotta work, though, gotta be dedicated. I find in my old age I'm less and less interested in doing things the hard way :-)

R.

LevT

Olympus OM-1

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

06/01/2010 01:31:20 PM · #14

Originally posted by scalvert:

but focus can, right Shannon?

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

06/01/2010 01:50:21 PM · #15

Multiple images (up to 10) of the same scene but with different points of focus can be combined to create an increased DOF.

06/01/2010 07:35:39 PM · #16

the reason i opened this thread was to get legal clarification for adv editing.self portrait and according to

scalvert it is not. so, i posted it here. sorry for not clearing this through the proper channels but, didn't have the time to.

the only way i could do something like this would be under the expert editing rules?

Message edited by author 2010-06-01 21:02:17.

06/01/2010 08:11:31 PM · #17

Originally posted by blad:

the only way i could do something like this would be under the expert editing rules?

You could cover the lens and do a double exposure that way.

06/01/2010 08:52:25 PM · #18

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by blad:
the only way i could do something like this would be under the expert editing rules?

You could cover the lens and do a double exposure that way.

somewhat difficult for a self portrait though. really, what is the difference? the same results just a different technic. but, i suppose that makes it different and subject to different rules. still confused!!!

Message edited by author 2010-06-01 20:59:12.

06/01/2010 09:02:34 PM · #19

Originally posted by blad:

somewhat difficult for a self portrait though. really, what is the difference?

One is accomplished photographically while the other is achieved in editing.

06/01/2010 09:14:23 PM · #20

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by blad:
somewhat difficult for a self portrait though. really, what is the difference?

One is accomplished photographically while the other is achieved in editing.

I set my camera to multiple / 30 sec interval between shots. i just don't see how this whole process wasn't photographic. where do you see the post processing?
the first shot was the flower which required me to release the shutter then having 30 sec. to put myself into the frame utilizing the placement of the flower as a guide.