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06/16/2004 12:28:54 AM · #1 |
OK- I can't be the only one who thinks those first and third place shots look suspiciously similar. Sure they're both stunning, ribbon-worthy shots (I personally liked Kosmik's better and gave it a 10.5), but I couldn't help but wonder if this was a team effort. Both shot with a Coolpix 4500, the guy's shot shows a girl and vice-versa, same time of day and weather conditions, and apparently the same lake, rocks & horizon (looks like one shot is flipped). Congratulations to you both on well-deserved ribbons, but inquiring minds want to know... were you working together and just couldn't decide between the two concepts, or is this just an amazing coincidence and you're totally unrelated?
EDIT- whoops... I took to long to post this and Wimbello beat me to it. At least I'm not the only one who noticed (the shots were practically side-by-side on my voting page).
Message edited by author 2004-06-16 00:34:04. |
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06/16/2004 12:34:05 AM · #2 |
Interesting also that the 4th and 5th are also quite similar, clearly not the same model or location, necessarily, but very similar, an asian model, looking out a window, similar expression, B&W.
Also 9th and 10th place are clearly very similar. Pregnant models, same hand position with a man and woman's hands.
What fascinating results.
-Will
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06/16/2004 12:34:58 AM · #3 |
Yep...I think you're right. I think it's the same location and one of the shots was flipped. Look at the smaller shadows in the water (rocks?) Two large one's and one small one.
They are both really lovely shots. Like them both...but I am also curious! |
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06/16/2004 12:41:14 AM · #4 |
I'm 99.9% sure it's the same location (even the smaller rocks are exactly the same)
Now, there are clouds on "Fisherman's patience", so it could be the same location at about the same time of day, but on a different day.
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06/16/2004 12:43:09 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by CODE:
I'm 99.9% sure it's the same location (even the smaller rocks are exactly the same)
Now, there are clouds on "Fisherman's patience", so it could be the same location at about the same time of day, but on a different day. |
I think it was the same day, just enough time between shots that a few clouds were able to move in. |
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06/16/2004 12:43:48 AM · #6 |
One comes from Ottawa and the other from Hull. Those are two cities, from Ontario and Quebec, that are only seperated by the Outaouais river. Also, Parentx has the Nikon 4500 listed as secondary... who would mark a 4500 as secondary to a Canon unless they didn't own it.
Conclusion is very likely. |
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06/16/2004 12:50:09 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by jpochard:
I think it was the same day, just enough time between shots that a few clouds were able to move in. |
Clouds don't do that too much. Even if the clouds shifted across the sky enough, it would still take 20-25 minutes, and by then, the sun would have gone down even further...
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06/16/2004 12:52:04 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by jpochard:
I think it was the same day, just enough time between shots that a few clouds were able to move in. |
You could be right, but... it seems like the end of a sunset and the clouds need to move fast, what do you think? |
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06/16/2004 12:52:31 AM · #9 |
The angles aren't exactly the same, so the slight shift in position combined with some movement in the clouds could be enough. Camera dates can be changed in 5 seconds. Not suggesting foul play (I assume the shots are kosher), but this is such an amazing coincidence, I'm just dying to know... ;-)
Message edited by author 2004-06-16 00:55:53. |
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06/16/2004 12:57:07 AM · #10 |
Is there anything in the rules that says members can't take photos together? (Not that I'm saying that's what happened, I'm just wondering). If this is a coincidence it's a pretty cool one :)
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06/16/2004 01:04:14 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by jpochard:
Yep...I think you're right. I think it's the same location and one of the shots was flipped. Look at the smaller shadows in the water (rocks?) Two large one's and one small one.
They are both really lovely shots. Like them both...but I am also curious! |
I think you're correct, I also think one of the shots was flipped. imo, there will be a problem if both pictures were taken from the same camera body with the same serial number.
Regardless, they are both excellant pictures worthy of the ribbons they received. |
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06/16/2004 01:13:45 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by mandyp:
Is there anything in the rules that says members can't take photos together? (Not that I'm saying that's what happened, I'm just wondering). If this is a coincidence it's a pretty cool one :)
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I think it would be perfectly legal.
I have done a photo shoot with someone else here, in effect almost identicle, same subject, same point at which photo was taken (well, within literally 6" of each other) and taken within seconds.
Neither of us used the shots, but I think we could have without breaking any rules at all.
Interesting, in the voting I gave one a 10 and the other a 2. Strange really ... naw, kidding, I loved them both. The fact they both got ribbons shows that the location, as well as the photographer's skills, were both the perfect choice.
Now, if second place gets disqualified (and I hope it doesn't) they'd have really swept the floor with us all. Good going guys :)
Message edited by author 2004-06-16 01:30:32.
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06/16/2004 01:14:22 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by labuda:
... who would mark a 4500 as secondary to a Canon unless they didn't own it. |
Someone who owned the 4500 and then got the Canon.
I see absolutely no reason to suspect foul play. Two people go to the same place two days apart and they take similiar pics. Maybe they know each other and one told the other "I got some great shots of a girl sitting on that rock at the end of the lake around sundown." So the other says "Cool, I'll have to check it out. I still need an entry for Waiting". Could be total coincidence. |
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06/16/2004 03:34:58 AM · #14 |
In the photo "Fisherman's patience", the physics of the fishing line reflection raises a question in my mind. The low likelyhood of a perfectly straight visible line running between the end of the fishing pole and its reflection and the fact that there is no ripple leads me to believe that the line was added afterwards. I would like to see the original photo.
Indeed, "Awaiting Enlightenment" is taken at the same location. Just take the two photos into Photoshop, flip one horizontal, and make it 50% opacity and check out for yourself. No harm there. |
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06/16/2004 03:45:08 AM · #15 |
Also Parentx's first favorite added photographer is kosmikkreeper added 11/11/02. And the only other one is Shiiizzzam added 3/22/03. And kosmikkreeper's favorites lists Parentx as third of 15 added on 10/18/02. I don't accuse them of doing wrong, just interested to here the full story :).
It would be nice to see the two photographers post into this thread. |
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06/16/2004 03:47:57 AM · #16 |
Yeah, I think we're all dying to hear from them. It would be nice to congratulate them too, if they are around, they are both lovely images.
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06/16/2004 04:56:07 AM · #17 |
| Parentx is Kosmikkreeper's girlfriend and they live together. No more mystery :) |
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06/16/2004 05:10:37 AM · #18 |
Parentx took picture of Kosmikkreeper and Kosmikkreeper took picture of Parentx?
There is a girl in one photo but man in another :) |
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06/16/2004 06:22:43 AM · #19 |
These shots were researched and validated. It's worth noting these shots were taken a day apart.
There is nothing illegal about two photographers going out and shooting together, nor shooting similar images. As far as I know, the first occurrence of this was in the
Games challenge (Challenge 16, May 13-19, 2002).
17th: 
22nd: 
-Terry
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06/16/2004 08:10:33 AM · #20 |
Fauna challenge.
25th:
26th:
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06/16/2004 08:45:33 AM · #21 |
AHA! They admitted to ribbon-hogging and confirmed my worst fears... I need to buy lakefront property. Man, between DSLRs, L lenses and now real estate, this is getting to be one expensive hobby!
Congrats to the winners. BTW- I'm STILL gonna slap the next curvy museum shot a see with a score of 1 (fair warning, Parentx). ;-) |
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06/16/2004 11:03:06 AM · #22 |
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06/16/2004 03:33:21 PM · #23 |
| I dont think it is against the rules, but it wouldn't sit well with me knowing that two people used the same location and shot basically the same shot. Maybe it was an experiment to see if two pictures very similar would score the same. Thank God they did or we would be participating in the fourm about "how could two almost identical pictures score so diffrent" Maybe I am jealous, after all it/they are great shots. |
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06/16/2004 03:42:24 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by slingshot:
I dont think it is against the rules, but it wouldn't sit well with me knowing that two people used the same location and shot basically the same shot. |
People do it in Yosemite (insert favourite cliche postcard photo op here) every day...
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06/16/2004 03:56:13 PM · #25 |
| Does it matter? Surely any issues (and I am not saying there are any here) of integrity lie on the conscience of the authors. |
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