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06/16/2004 12:05:43 AM · #1 |
I'm not complaining, honest I'm not but I would like to know what was missing from this shot that made most of the people think it was just average, the comments I got don't really tell me anything? Critiques, comments, ideas?
Deannda
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06/16/2004 12:14:45 AM · #2 |
| Better than average shot, below average voters. ;-) I would have guessed about a 5.2-5.5 average vote on this one (I gave it a 7). Left a comment on the photo. |
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06/16/2004 01:26:53 AM · #3 |
Your shot is a very nice crystal clear shot with vibrant colors. The story line may have been a little much for the target audience.
I'm thinking you can't out think the audience around here for basic challenges.
I think I got beat up for the same thing.
Here I had two people in the crowd waiting for their friend to run by (as I was waiting for my wife). I thought that was evident by them being in the foreground, staring down the long line of runners, not cheering for the passers by, just showing no exciting body language. I beleive most viewers thought this was about the runners instead. Oh well, lesson learned. Make em simple for the basic challenges, something with very little G2 involved.
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06/16/2004 01:29:09 AM · #4 |
| Left comments on photo. I had the same problem. "I don't get it?" |
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06/16/2004 01:39:28 AM · #5 |
| It seems obvious to me now, but I didn't get it during the challenge. I don't pay a lot of attention to titles, and not being an athlete of any kind, the concept went right over my head. Sorry about that. You deserved a higher vote than I gave you. :( It really is a cute idea. |
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06/16/2004 02:42:11 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Neuferland:
I'm not complaining, honest I'm not but I would like to know what was missing from this shot that made most of the people think it was just average, the comments I got don't really tell me anything? Critiques, comments, ideas?
Deannda
Thanks everyone! |
the grass is a tad underexposed, or maybe just dark. You mention you straightened it, and the backstop onthe upper left of the pic is strait, but the 'horizon' tilts to the left..just enough to be unpleasant.
if the child were closer to the camera maybe - his position in the pic could be improved and if he had a bat and ball with him...his red hood or whatever the U-shape is is a bit distracting as well...change his clothes/ add props.
You didn't mention any sharpening..it needs it. ALL digital pics need it, particulary for on screen display.
Not too keen on the border. Borders are a touchy subject - many get bad comments, yet many ribbon winning pics have them.
Just my 2 cents.
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06/16/2004 03:08:50 AM · #7 |
I left comments on both photos.
Now for my question. Since the US is the world's fourth largest country, and presumably, most Americans (and much of the rest of the world) know the rules of baseball, why did this do so poorly?
My thinking was:
a) Person catching is waiting for the ball (he can't do anything until the ball arrives.)
b) Any off shot baserunners need to wait to tag up.
c) Anyone in the stands would be waiting to see whether the catch was made (could be parents, 30K fans, who knows?)
One note before I get killed for just having a bad photo: my outtake is here:
but there was dirt on my lens that I had to rubber stamp out, so that would have been illegal.
So, any comments left on the photos would be appreciated (especially if you think both are horrible.) Score doesn't matter much, but when the score is low, and so are the number of comments, it is frustrating.
Best and thanks.
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06/16/2004 04:05:31 AM · #8 |
bill, like some of the comments on the picture said, this picture doesn't immediately convey a feeling of waiting. Basicaly it's an action (catching the ball) and not waiting. If you need the title to make it meet the challenge, i rate it as not meeting the challenge. (i gave you 5)
Message edited by author 2004-06-16 04:11:26. |
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06/16/2004 04:37:36 AM · #9 |
Bill,
Just because US is a big country does not mean baseball is a big sport outside US. And the rules of the game is definitely not commonly known by most Europeans, which may serve as an additional explanation to your score.
I did unfortunately not have the time to participate or vote in this challenge, but I would definitely have missed out on the 'waiting' part of your shot. I would probably have settled for a 5.
As for the original photo in this thread, I think I would have given it a 6 or a 7. I like the composition, but would have preferred the boy to have been closer to the camera. But I do know that (at least my) kids don't always take directions that well ;-)
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06/16/2004 04:48:23 AM · #10 |
| i have no idea about baseball and i wasnt a member when voting occured on this one but i would have given it a 6 - 7 basically because its a bit dark here, ive tried 2 monitors and still its a bit dark, but then again it could be me lol :-) |
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06/16/2004 05:36:31 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by mijak:
Bill,
Just because US is a big country does not mean baseball is a big sport outside US. And the rules of the game is definitely not commonly known by most Europeans, which may serve as an additional explanation to your score.
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Mijak:
Your point is well taken, but my other choices (rugby pass, cricket ball and no glove, and football (soccer) keeper reaching for the penalty shot) had the identical problem of a segment of people not knowing the rules.
Apologies to all if my post made it sound like I was implying that American sports are any better than others just because there are a lot of Americans, I just thought more voters would identify with baseball than the others.
My main point with this post (and the title of the shot) was to get people to open their minds a bit when voting.
Best,
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06/16/2004 08:09:00 AM · #12 |
seems a bit dark and underexposed.
shot from typical standing height angle, plus subject matter not extraordinary = doesn't grab my attention.
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06/16/2004 08:12:25 AM · #13 |
Thanks everyone for your comments and help! I'm going to play with this one a bit. Can't reshoot since the model is 2 and I was lucky to catch this shot! :)
Deannda |
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06/16/2004 08:55:07 AM · #14 |
Bill,
It was not my intention to make the remark about baseball not being that big outside US to sound (?) as edgy as it may have come across.
As for keeping an open mind when voting, I totally agree.
However, I think that a submission that conveys an *instant* connection to the challenge topic, will always stand a better chance than those that are less obvious.
For example, a batter with a raised bat, waiting for the pitcher to throw it, would have been a more obvious 'waiting' situation to me, even without knowing the full set of baseball rules. Etc.
Your picture was a good one, but there was just not an _obvious_ connection to the topic, IMHO.
/M
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06/16/2004 10:05:39 AM · #15 |
"Waiting time is relative" and "Hangin'" (subject of a similiar thread) both suffer because the voters perceive them as action, indeed fast action, shots as opposed to more static situations normally thought of in connection to waiting. I've played a lot of ball and know the feeling of waiting for a fly ball to plop into my outstretched glove. It is a real feeling of anticipation, a delay, or passing of time, before the expected event happens. Perhaps a shot of a ballplayer standing, not running, with glove held up and the ball several feet away would have implied the wait better. I can easily surmise the skater knows the same feeling for the instant when he seems to stand still as his direction of movement reverses itself. But to someone who has not done these things, which is the case for the vast majority of dpc voters, the action would seem fast and continuous with no appreciable time of waiting. And thus for them these shots would be a stretch to meet the challenge at best.
As for those of you who don't yet know baseball, you may feel rewarded if you try to learn the game. I hope I am not sounding like the ugly american here, but it really is the best of the team sports. Like photography, you cannot learn everything baseball has to offer overnight but can gain enjoyment for a lifetime by following it. |
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06/16/2004 02:54:25 PM · #16 |
| I gave it a six. I liked the shot a lot but the waiting thing just wasn't there for me. I just dont think that titles justify achieving the spirit of the challenge. If I saw the pic without the title I would not be able to guess what challenge it belongs to. Other than that I think you have a really good shot. |
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06/16/2004 03:50:19 PM · #17 |
Of the various images displayed thus far in the thread, none carry any sense of 'waiting' for me. First, some kid walking on a field, then an action shot of a ball in the air (and may I add so obviously posed), and then a group of people watching some runners.
In short, the author's feeling or interpretation at the time of capturing the shot has not translated well in my viewing of the image. |
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06/19/2004 04:24:12 PM · #18 |
Thanks again for everyone's feedback on this shot. I really do appreciate it!
Deannda |
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06/19/2004 05:05:28 PM · #19 |
| I think the confusion is that for some people "waiting" is the same as "anticipation", while others see them as something different. |
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06/19/2004 05:18:27 PM · #20 |
"...Anticipation is keeping me waiting..."--Carly Simon
If it means anything I,too, saw the relative nature in all of those shots and voted accordingly (8/9). Good art ought to raise thought not so much as questions.
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06/19/2004 08:01:09 PM · #21 |
Why do you feel this shot should have done better? Not saying it shouldn't have, just curious as to why you think this pic should have been a high scorer.
Originally posted by Neuferland:
I'm not complaining, honest I'm not but I would like to know what was missing from this shot that made most of the people think it was just average, the comments I got don't really tell me anything? Critiques, comments, ideas?
Deannda
Thanks everyone! |
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06/19/2004 08:25:43 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Jacko:
Why do you feel this shot should have done better? Not saying it shouldn't have, just curious as to why you think this pic should have been a high scorer.
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I personally thought the shot would do at least a point better than it did because of the colors and the set up, which was pure luck since it is my son. But I was and still am really pleased with the richness of the shot and the clarity and thought it would do better. I'm not saying the voters are wrong, was just curious since most of the comments I got were praise for the shot.
Deannda
Thought of you today when I found a bee inside a flower, but it didn't come out very clear, dangit! |
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06/19/2004 11:24:05 PM · #23 |
It's dark rather than rich on my laptop - perhaps it suffered from poor-monitor-calibration-syndrome. Darker images sometimes do. The heavy frame makes it even darker. Also there is a tilt to the image which is unsettling. Sometimes voters do not notice the tilt, just have the sense that something is off. It's a nice shot - try straightening it and lightening it.
Message edited by author 2004-06-19 23:26:48. |
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06/20/2004 05:20:24 AM · #24 |
And I would say don't you dare touch the lightness of it :-) You just aren't going to please everyone all the time, I fear.
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06/20/2004 08:40:18 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by e301:
And I would say don't you dare touch the lightness of it :-) You just aren't going to please everyone all the time, I fear.
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Yea, this I do know and have learned well. ;) Thank you so much for the indepth critique on the shot, I really appreciate it!
Thank you everyone for your critiques, they really do help and are appreciated! ;)
Deannda
Everyone needs the same monitor so everyone sees the same shot! :) |
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