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04/22/2010 02:19:18 PM · #76
That's right! I knew a bit of monkey penis would kill this thread. :)
04/22/2010 03:31:56 PM · #77
Originally posted by coryboehne:

That's right! I knew a bit of monkey penis would kill this thread. :)


Not without this one!

04/22/2010 08:04:24 PM · #78
Originally posted by Konador:

Originally posted by macobee:

ok i will delf into it a bit deeper and read more, but i am undeterred...even full frontal nudity should be allowed we are after all photographers and many of us do be it in artistically way or not photograph nudes, its part of our jobs, and as adults I dont think this should be a problem on this website.


For what it's worth, I personally agree with you. And the nudity filter is there for those who don't.


But the problem is that the nudity filter is not there. I don't care one way or the other -- it's not my cup of tea; but it doesn't bother me.

HOWEVER, someone in a previous post said "we're all adults here". We're not all adults here. Children are allowed on the site, and these photos are not filtered in the voting process or for a period of time afterward.

I seriously think the nudity filter should be on during the challenges or limit the site to 18 and over. Or why not have the nudity filter on only for ages 18 and under during the challenges? But that's just a mom speaking. No, I don't have problems with my children seeing Michelangelo's David or a Ruban. And some of the nudes on here are extremely artistic. But I've also seen shots that appeared more like pornography than art (probably not on purpose, just bad photography.)

Message edited by author 2010-04-22 20:04:36.
04/22/2010 08:30:12 PM · #79
I have never ever seen any pornographic type pictures on here Wendy.

Gross out pictures, but never porno pics. You prove your point and show me them because I think you are wrong
04/22/2010 08:47:04 PM · #80
While keeping in mind that our various definitions of "pornographic" might differ, I too would find it difficult to point to any pornographic images here. There are some images that I'd feel uncomfortable with a younger child seeing, however many of those that spring to mind aren't nudes at all.
What's really needed is parental oversight, and recognition that though we may try, we will never protect our children from *all* imagery that we might find inappropriate for them.
It's not reasonable to push back all of the responsibility on the site, nor even most of it. The responsibility is ours as parents. I would not at all support enabling the filter for voting. That would unfairly skew the voting pool for those images. The result is that users would never mark their images until after voting, and would probably forget to do so then, making the filter much less useful.
04/22/2010 09:00:09 PM · #81
Originally posted by kirbic:

What's really needed is parental oversight, and recognition that though we may try, we will never protect our children from *all* imagery that we might find inappropriate for them.

Exactly.

To my knowledge, this site has never been represented as kid/family oriented.
Originally posted by vawendy:

I seriously think the nudity filter should be on during the challenges or limit the site to 18 and over.

Then whose fault would it be if your kid browsed DPC on your computer when you weren't looking?

That's the point.
04/22/2010 09:00:17 PM · #82
[quote=kirbic] I too would find it difficult to point to any pornographic images here. There are some images that I'd feel uncomfortable with a younger child seeing, however many of those that spring to mind aren't nudes at all.
What's really needed is parental oversight, /quote
]

Precisely, it is up to the PARENT, to supervise what a child see's on the Websites.

These days it is always someone-else's fault or someone else that needs to take responsibility for what their children see, or do, or visit.

This has never been touted as a child's photography site. This is an Adult web site. You even need permission to have a child on here, and if I remember correctly, Wendy, you had to ask Landon if it was okay for your child to be here.

I am not attacking you or trying to be mean, but it is the parents responsibility.

Message edited by author 2010-04-22 21:00:49.
04/22/2010 09:03:32 PM · #83
Originally posted by JulietNN:

if I remember correctly, Wendy, you had to ask Landon if it was okay for your child to be here.

Is this true?

If so, then the suggestions you put forth are pretty out of line. You cannot ask for an exception like that then ask for the site to make concessions that are distinctly your responsibility BECAUSE your child has access he wouldn't without the special dispensation in the first place.
04/22/2010 09:04:56 PM · #84
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by JulietNN:

if I remember correctly, Wendy, you had to ask Landon if it was okay for your child to be here.

Is this true?

If so, then the suggestions you put forth are pretty out of line. You cannot ask for an exception like that then ask for the site to make concessions that are distinctly your responsibility BECAUSE your child has access he wouldn't without the special dispensation in the first place.


I think ALL minors have to have a parental consent to join, not just hers.

Matt
04/22/2010 09:05:41 PM · #85
Originally posted by kirbic:

I too would find it difficult to point to any pornographic images here. There are some images that I'd feel uncomfortable with a younger child seeing, however many of those that spring to mind aren't nudes at all.
What's really needed is parental oversight,


You missed this [ at the front side of the last quote......8>)

04/22/2010 09:07:46 PM · #86
Originally posted by MattO:

I think ALL minors have to have a parental consent to join, not just hers. Matt

I wasn't asked when my kid joined.....granted, I bought her the membership, but I don't remember being asked if I acknowledged responsibility for things she might see here. I *assumed* that, but it wasn't specified.

Message edited by author 2010-04-22 21:08:05.
04/22/2010 09:16:42 PM · #87
I am 95% sure that I remember Wendy saying that she needed her under 13 year old permission to join. I could be wrong,
04/22/2010 10:10:51 PM · #88
DPC Waiver For Minors

This thread is "sticky" at the top of the General Discussion forums list.

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Parents/Guardians,

To register your kids here, you can print and fill out this text, then either email the admins a scan/photo, or contact them for the fax number to which you can send it -- use the menu item Help > Contact. Be aware it may take them some time to process the request.

=============== DPC Waiver Text for Minors =============
I authorize my daughter/son, _________________________, to participate on the web site //www.dpchallenge.com. I am agreeing to the Terms of Use (found at //www.dpchallenge.com./terms.php) for her/him, since s/he is underage. I will be held liable for any actions that s/he takes on the web site.

s/___________________
(Parent/Guardian Name)

======================================================================
Here are some other threads (in no particular order) which discuss the participation of kids:
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=158089
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=141703
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=86345
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=67509
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=18288

Originally posted by Registered Users Agreement (Terms of Use):


2.2 DPChallenge.com will only provide the DPChallenge.com Service to persons and entities who can form legally binding and enforceable contracts under applicable law. Without limiting the foregoing, the DPChallenge.com Service is not available to children under the age of 13, or to temporarily or indefinitely suspended Registered Users. If you are a child under the age of 13, you can use this Website only in conjunction with your parents or guardians pursuant to the rules set forth in the Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act. If you are a child under the age of 13 registering with consent from your parents or guardians, please contact us at [minor AT dpchallenge DOT com] before completing the registration process.
04/22/2010 11:19:56 PM · #89
Just a general question, how did the current policy concerning nudity in challenges come about? Was it put to a general vote of the membership, a decision made by a committee set up to take representations or was it a decision by the owner of the website?

Message edited by author 2010-04-23 01:15:37.
04/23/2010 07:39:36 AM · #90
Originally posted by dzone1:

Just a general question, how did the current policy concerning nudity in challenges come about? Was it put to a general vote of the membership, a decision made by a committee set up to take representations or was it a decision by the owner of the website?


Like all policy decisions of any privately owned business, the final decision was made by the owners (with, as in most cases here, the Site Council, which is in and of itself a community set up by the owners to represent the community). As in most cases, we did base the decision on the opinions of the community. A poll conducted at the time found a strong majority (64%) favored "artistic" nudes only. About 23% favored allowing explicit photos and 13% said no nudity should be allowed at all.

The viewing options such as the ability to hide certain thumbnails and forum posts was added later, in response to demand for a way to help prevent accidental or unexpected display of nude images in places where this would not be acceptable, such as the workplace. This is not considered to be a parental control or censorship feature, as the user can still access the underlying content with a single click. It is simply in place to help prevent accidental viewing by warning the user that the underlying content may be adult in nature and requiring an affirmative decision by the user to access it.
04/23/2010 08:00:43 AM · #91
Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Konador:

Originally posted by macobee:

ok i will delf into it a bit deeper and read more, but i am undeterred...even full frontal nudity should be allowed we are after all photographers and many of us do be it in artistically way or not photograph nudes, its part of our jobs, and as adults I dont think this should be a problem on this website.


For what it's worth, I personally agree with you. And the nudity filter is there for those who don't.


But the problem is that the nudity filter is not there. I don't care one way or the other -- it's not my cup of tea; but it doesn't bother me.

HOWEVER, someone in a previous post said "we're all adults here". We're not all adults here. Children are allowed on the site, and these photos are not filtered in the voting process or for a period of time afterward.

I seriously think the nudity filter should be on during the challenges or limit the site to 18 and over. Or why not have the nudity filter on only for ages 18 and under during the challenges? But that's just a mom speaking. No, I don't have problems with my children seeing Michelangelo's David or a Ruban. And some of the nudes on here are extremely artistic. But I've also seen shots that appeared more like pornography than art (probably not on purpose, just bad photography.)


Wendy, the simplest answer I can give to this is that we are not, and do not claim to be, a "family site" (whatever that means). Our primary mission is to provide competitions,a community and other resources for individuals who want to produce and learn about photography from an artistic perspective. In many cases, we can make decisions that meet the mission and are still "family friendly" - for example, allowing gratuitous or excessive use of foul or abusive language in the forums really doesn't help anyone learn, so it's a no-brainer to generally disallow it. In cases where the two are at odds with each other, however, the overall mission of the site will continue to prevail.

The decision regarding voting is one of those cases. One of the measures we take to ensure a fair competition is to present all the entries, in random order, to each voter. Among other things, this helps to ensure that any biases in voting within certain demographics cancel out. Eliminating a certain subset of the entries (nudes) to a certain demographic (voters under 18) is likely to introduce a bias (however small) to the results of the challenge. Even though this may only be a few hundredths of a point, this is in many cases sufficient to change placements and even ribbons.

There is also a practical element to the decision. The voting period is when we attempt to tag any images that need to be flagged as adult (and weren't already assigned to the nudes gallery by the photographer). In order to have filtered voting work, the entries would need to be tagged before voting began. With submission allowed right up until voting, there is currently no way to make that happen.
04/23/2010 08:49:51 AM · #92
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Konador:

Originally posted by macobee:

ok i will delf into it a bit deeper and read more, but i am undeterred...even full frontal nudity should be allowed we are after all photographers and many of us do be it in artistically way or not photograph nudes, its part of our jobs, and as adults I dont think this should be a problem on this website.


For what it's worth, I personally agree with you. And the nudity filter is there for those who don't.


But the problem is that the nudity filter is not there. I don't care one way or the other -- it's not my cup of tea; but it doesn't bother me.

HOWEVER, someone in a previous post said "we're all adults here". We're not all adults here. Children are allowed on the site, and these photos are not filtered in the voting process or for a period of time afterward.

I seriously think the nudity filter should be on during the challenges or limit the site to 18 and over. Or why not have the nudity filter on only for ages 18 and under during the challenges? But that's just a mom speaking. No, I don't have problems with my children seeing Michelangelo's David or a Ruban. And some of the nudes on here are extremely artistic. But I've also seen shots that appeared more like pornography than art (probably not on purpose, just bad photography.)


Wendy, the simplest answer I can give to this is that we are not, and do not claim to be, a "family site" (whatever that means). Our primary mission is to provide competitions,a community and other resources for individuals who want to produce and learn about photography from an artistic perspective. In many cases, we can make decisions that meet the mission and are still "family friendly" - for example, allowing gratuitous or excessive use of foul or abusive language in the forums really doesn't help anyone learn, so it's a no-brainer to generally disallow it. In cases where the two are at odds with each other, however, the overall mission of the site will continue to prevail.

The decision regarding voting is one of those cases. One of the measures we take to ensure a fair competition is to present all the entries, in random order, to each voter. Among other things, this helps to ensure that any biases in voting within certain demographics cancel out. Eliminating a certain subset of the entries (nudes) to a certain demographic (voters under 18) is likely to introduce a bias (however small) to the results of the challenge. Even though this may only be a few hundredths of a point, this is in many cases sufficient to change placements and even ribbons.

There is also a practical element to the decision. The voting period is when we attempt to tag any images that need to be flagged as adult (and weren't already assigned to the nudes gallery by the photographer). In order to have filtered voting work, the entries would need to be tagged before voting began. With submission allowed right up until voting, there is currently no way to make that happen.


I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend people. I just thought that since the filter existed, that it could be used for children. Many people don't vote on all the entries in a challenge, so I didn't think it would be a big issue.

To others: I agree whole-heartedly--it's a parent's responsibility. And when my son was voting, I would preview the challenge first and steer him towards appropriate challenges to vote on. I also know there's a wide range of parents, many who would not take this responsibility.

When you're a parent of young children, it's a habit to try to look out for kids. It seemed like it was a feasible option. Obviously not.
04/23/2010 12:58:20 PM · #93
No offense was taken. It's a reasonable question, and one that I thought deserved an honest and candid answer.
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