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 04/02/2010 10:57:42 AM · #51
Originally posted by shutterpuppy:
huzzahs and hosannas!
(of course it was all over before I even realized it had begun, but judging by the mess it was quite a party)


I was also unaware of this turn of events until late last night, but glad to learn of the happy resolution this morning. I'm sure that good things will arise from this experience.

Mazel tov!
 04/02/2010 11:16:28 AM · #52
So, was there buddy voting, ghost accounts, etc., and are there suspensions?

Or, has all been forgiven and we act as nothing has happened?

I am confused.
 04/02/2010 11:20:53 AM · #53
Originally posted by Nobody:
So, was there buddy voting, ghost accounts, etc., and are there suspensions?

Or, has all been forgiven and we act as nothing has happened?

I am confused.


I'm pretty sure that all that stuff is still in effect; there was just some unanticipated collateral damage that has been made whole again, is my take on it.

R.
 04/02/2010 11:21:06 AM · #54
Nobody has to know all the details ...

Some suspensions are still in place, some have been recinded. Not every case was tried in the court of public opinion.
 04/02/2010 11:30:09 AM · #55
Originally posted by Nobody:
So, was there buddy voting, ghost accounts, etc., and are there suspensions?

Yes, most of the determinations still remain. Those who disputed an issue with plausible explanations or clear signs of recent reform (just a handful) had their suspensions reduced or removed. There were also some who only managed to confirm the offense.
 04/02/2010 11:34:24 AM · #56
As a rule I try to avoid drama and politics for the most part, but as a "baby" in membership here I was concerned about how it would all play out. dpc seems like such a fun group of people with lots of opportunities to learn, I am quite happy to see everyone is playing nice again ;)...

Drinks for everyone!.... Sláinte mhaith ! ~:D
 04/02/2010 12:12:04 PM · #57
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by macrothing:
Yes, it IS good that an apology was made, among other things, that DOES help, BUT, this was a very serious action and has left many with a bitter taste in their mouth.

Yep. I remain really flummoxed as to how Don could possibly have gotten caught up in this considering his wide appeal amongst the community and the honesty and transparency of his actions regarding his general attitude about the conventional workings of the site.

[Vent on] point I'd like to mention is that there was discussion about unrelated activities taking away from the general intent of the site. It seemed odd to me to hear Don's side awards being bandied about as one of those activities, and then we heard that part of the confusion for snap decisions being made was the next season of the DPL.

DPL is *not* DP Challenge, it is every bit as much of a side venture as Team Suck, which has a wonderful in-community rapport, and the Posthumous Awards, which some of us hold in equally high, or in some cases higher, regard than the "real" ribbons. These are not the function and efforts of someone without a great deal of impact and influence in a positive manner on the community. I know that apologies have been made, and I won't beat this drum any more, but I've been stewing about this since the whole thing went down......[/vent off]


Jeb, funny you posted this about the DPL and the Posthumous thread... I was contemplating this same argument while walking my dog this morning... It didn't make sense to me either, but as you said no sense kicking the dead horse... I just wanted to mention you weren't the only one who saw the correlation and wondered why people attacked Posthumous... The taste is still bitter...
 04/02/2010 12:17:42 PM · #58
Originally posted by langdon:
First off I would like to apologize...


Such CLASS!

I'm impressed (again).

04/02/2010 12:24:59 PM · #59
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Yep. I remain really flummoxed as to how Don could possibly have gotten caught up in this considering his wide appeal amongst the community and the honesty and transparency of his actions regarding his general attitude about the conventional workings of the site.


Aw shucks, that's nice of you to say, but the number of 10s is quite remarkable. I've often complained about pointandshoot's ability to get my ribbons. I knew that purely on the basis of data, I looked guilty as hell.

As with most problems, it was largely due to miscommunication. I acted the way I did because I thought my cause was lost. I had no new "data" to give them. I posted on the forums to say good-bye and asked the damning data to be published because I wanted anyone who was interested to come to their own conclusions. That's when the ruckus started and maybe I got caught up in it here and there. ;)
 04/02/2010 12:59:32 PM · #60
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Yep. I remain really flummoxed as to how Don could possibly have gotten caught up in this considering his wide appeal amongst the community and the honesty and transparency of his actions regarding his general attitude about the conventional workings of the site.


Aw shucks, that's nice of you to say, but the number of 10s is quite remarkable. I've often complained about pointandshoot's ability to get my ribbons. I knew that purely on the basis of data, I looked guilty as hell.

As with most problems, it was largely due to miscommunication. I acted the way I did because I thought my cause was lost. I had no new "data" to give them. I posted on the forums to say good-bye and asked the damning data to be published because I wanted anyone who was interested to come to their own conclusions. That's when the ruckus started and maybe I got caught up in it here and there. ;)


You should just keep rocking on with your bad self!

Glad it all worked out.

I was sad to see (from looking at your profile) that I'm not in the top 1,000,000 of your statistical favorites though. ;-)
 04/02/2010 03:07:43 PM · #61
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
Originally posted by langdon:
First off I would like to apologize...


Such CLASS!

I'm impressed (again).


Lydia - you summarized this so well. I agree!
 04/02/2010 06:54:30 PM · #62
Is there going to be a re-evaluation on the suspended accounts?
or should I talk to someone specific on the SC about my suspension?
 04/02/2010 06:56:59 PM · #63
Originally posted by ahmadbaara:
Is there going to be a re-evaluation on the suspended accounts?
or should I talk to someone specific on the SC about my suspension?


I think submitting a ticket is the way to go. //www.dpchallenge.com/help_contact.php

Message edited by author 2010-04-02 18:58:05.
 04/02/2010 07:04:31 PM · #64
Originally posted by posthumous:
"...and maybe I got caught up in it here and there. ;)


"Maybe"...ya think?

heheheh. Anyway, glad the compass is once again facing North. Cheers!
 04/03/2010 02:22:14 AM · #65
Best I can follow SC took this action and even after all the actions and even if all the suspicious votes were purged from the system, none of the results of any of the Challenges(ie ribbon winners and HMs) would have changed.

Perhaps I have gotten the wrong impression but if this is fundamentally correct then how real was this problem that necessitated all the heartache and will ferment distrust and worry among the community for a long time to come. I am all for getting rid of clear voting rings, but frankly who the heck cares if i vote on my friends photos, or if he votes on mine(i have no friends here so for me it is a moot point) If my wife wants to give me a 10 on every challenge what possible impact does that have on my overall standing?(shes not a member here either)

I am glad to see this resolved but this whole thing is just way out there on the pointless-ways-to-bring-everyone-down-o-meter.
 04/03/2010 06:57:37 AM · #66
Originally posted by posthumous:
As with most problems, it was largely due to miscommunication.

The real problem is that you give 10s to all the wrong photos.
 04/03/2010 10:32:40 AM · #67
Originally posted by jhomrighaus:
Best I can follow SC took this action and even after all the actions and even if all the suspicious votes were purged from the system, none of the results of any of the Challenges(ie ribbon winners and HMs) would have changed.


That's not true.

For example: in one of the last challenges, planes trains and autos. The 4th place had an average of 6.7277, third place had an average of 6.7348. One additional vote of 9 would have been sufficient to give that 4th place the yellow ribbon instead. It makes a difference.

Message edited by author 2010-04-03 10:33:07.
 04/03/2010 10:48:32 AM · #68
Uh... hum.. I missed something? ;-)
 04/03/2010 10:55:34 AM · #69
Originally posted by docpjv:
Uh... hum.. I missed something? ;-)


Nothing left to see here doc. Move on, move on! :-)

(Danged rubberneckers...)

R.
 04/03/2010 11:18:26 AM · #70
Originally posted by jhomrighaus:
Best I can follow SC took this action and even after all the actions and even if all the suspicious votes were purged from the system, none of the results of any of the Challenges(ie ribbon winners and HMs) would have changed.

Originally posted by vawendy:
That's not true.

For example: in one of the last challenges, planes trains and autos. The 4th place had an average of 6.7277, third place had an average of 6.7348. One additional vote of 9 would have been sufficient to give that 4th place the yellow ribbon instead. It makes a difference.

You mean like a vote from a spouse or child?..........8>)

Yes, in the example that you gave, the math works, but that's not necessarily the norm.

It's not always about the numbers, as it turned out in the long run, but about the actions and their intent.

You yourself got caught up in part of it, and you know that it wasn't collusion and bad behavior. To be honest, I don't know why anyone would vote on a family member's image simply because of the perception of impropriety. Someone will *always* see that as wrong.
 04/03/2010 11:49:49 AM · #71
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by jhomrighaus:
Best I can follow SC took this action and even after all the actions and even if all the suspicious votes were purged from the system, none of the results of any of the Challenges(ie ribbon winners and HMs) would have changed.

Originally posted by vawendy:
That's not true.

For example: in one of the last challenges, planes trains and autos. The 4th place had an average of 6.7277, third place had an average of 6.7348. One additional vote of 9 would have been sufficient to give that 4th place the yellow ribbon instead. It makes a difference.

You mean like a vote from a spouse or child?..........8>)

Yes, in the example that you gave, the math works, but that's not necessarily the norm.

It's not always about the numbers, as it turned out in the long run, but about the actions and their intent.

You yourself got caught up in part of it, and you know that it wasn't collusion and bad behavior. To be honest, I don't know why anyone would vote on a family member's image simply because of the perception of impropriety. Someone will *always* see that as wrong.


But what does it matter? Why do we care so much? voting rings are one thing, but the occasional buddy trade or troll is not going to impact the system.
 04/03/2010 11:53:38 AM · #72
Originally posted by jhomrighaus:

But what does it matter? Why do we care so much? voting rings are one thing, but the occasional buddy trade or troll is not going to impact the system.


Just the integrity of the site, that's all.
 04/03/2010 12:14:23 PM · #73
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by jhomrighaus:

But what does it matter? Why do we care so much? voting rings are one thing, but the occasional buddy trade or troll is not going to impact the system.


Just the integrity of the site, that's all.


so lets burn the place to the ground just to stop a few immature people out of hundreds and hundreds of regular participants. At least we have our integrity.
 04/03/2010 12:48:04 PM · #74
Some are familiar with the adage that says: “Integrity is doing the right thing, even if nobody is watching.”...unfortunately, a good many aren't...hence the rules.

Ray
 04/03/2010 01:40:07 PM · #75
I am so impressed once again that our site council is the type of governing council that has a heart, and isn't too proud to backtrack if it is in the best interest of the site! I have been the happy recipient of that spirit by site council in the past, and I appreciate it even more now to see it in action again. Yes, MAK, tissue please :)

Message edited by author 2010-04-03 13:40:31.
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