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 04/02/2010 01:26:05 AM · #26
happy to hear that reason prevailed. Thanks Langdon and SC for your willingness to recognize and correct mistakes, I know it is not easy, especially when emotions flare and discussion veers dangerously close to personal attacks. Kudos!
 04/02/2010 01:31:12 AM · #27
"Alright, Alright, Alright!" (Doing my best McConaughey impression)

Dig it so much I paid up brotha! ;-)

04/02/2010 01:36:56 AM · #28
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
"Alright, Alright, Alright!" (Doing my best McConaughey impression)

Dig it so much I paid up brotha! ;-)


SO this is actually generating new business, and I don't think anyone has actually walked away? Not bad, not bad at all..

04/02/2010 01:46:14 AM · #29
Originally posted by LevT:
happy to hear that reason prevailed. Thanks Langdon and SC for your willingness to recognize and correct mistakes, I know it is not easy, especially when emotions flare and discussion veers dangerously close to personal attacks. Kudos!


I preferred when we didn't know if Shane lives or dies at the end. :/
 04/02/2010 01:46:32 AM · #30
Coolio, now go vote Don. :)
 04/02/2010 03:53:43 AM · #31
It's been a bad month. First I pick kansas, now I'm shipping nuts all over creation. :)

Glad it's resolved and we can move on. I saw my chances for a posthumous ribbon slipping away... But now there's a chance, however slight it may be.

04/02/2010 04:34:28 AM · #32
Hooray. It is indeed a Good Friday.

Kudos to Langdon and the SC for not being unreasonable about the situation and reassessing their decision, and to posthumous on not walking away from the site.

This site would have been much poorer had we lost the likes of posthumous and the many others that would have walked had this not been suitably resolved.

DPC is a wonderful community, and on occasion, there are disagreements within communities... but communities that are able to resolves issues and reconcile, are stronger as a result. I'm rapt that DPC will be stronger after this incident.

Again, my hat off to everyone for what has to be the most reasonable outcome to what was looking like a very ugly incident. I first believed that it was a very cruel and tasteless April fools joke, and then when it was stated that it was most definitely NOT a joke, I wished it was... that way, even a cruel and tasteless joke was better than the alternative.

I'm so happy we're a happy family again, even if some of the members won't sit together at the dinner table... at least everyone's still turning up to the family function.
04/02/2010 05:30:27 AM · #33
Originally posted by vlado:
Hooray. It is indeed a Good Friday.

Kudos to Langdon and the SC for not being unreasonable about the situation and reassessing their decision, and to posthumous on not walking away from the site.



“Kudos” I never heard of this word as an English vocabulary, it is “Qudos” a pure Arabic word and it means sacred or holy as in the “Spirit of Qudos” or the “Holy Spirit”. Wow
Thanks
04/02/2010 05:35:30 AM · #34
Cool. Happy to hear that. Thanks a lot.
 04/02/2010 05:49:20 AM · #35
Originally posted by HighNooner:
Originally posted by vlado:
Hooray. It is indeed a Good Friday.

Kudos to Langdon and the SC for not being unreasonable about the situation and reassessing their decision, and to posthumous on not walking away from the site.



“Kudos” I never heard of this word as an English vocabulary, it is “Qudos” a pure Arabic word and it means sacred or holy as in the “Spirit of Qudos” or the “Holy Spirit”. Wow
Thanks


Kudos - from the Greek, kydos, (literally "that which is heard of") means "fame" and "renown" resulting from an act or achievement. Extending "kudos" to another individual is often done as a praising remark. It entered English as British university slang in the early 1800s.

In Standard British English, as it is in Greek, Kudos is a singular noun: Much kudos to you for pulling it off. However, some have been known to use it as a plural: She received many kudos for her work.

Edited to remove non-standard characters.

Message edited by author 2010-04-02 05:58:51.
 04/02/2010 05:55:14 AM · #36
/ˈkuːdoʊz/ for the explanation....;p
 04/02/2010 05:57:19 AM · #37
Doh!... looked fine in the text box. :(
 04/02/2010 06:30:24 AM · #38
Wow. Hats off to everyone! And whether or not Uncle Don gets along with Uncle Scalvert, I agree with vlado--it's nice to have everyone back at the family dinner table. Kudos to the SC for fixing this. Extra kudos to Scalvert for his kind words and his responses to me.
 04/02/2010 06:54:01 AM · #39
a public thank you to Shannon from myself as well, for a lightning fast response/explanation for my warning.

Joe
 04/02/2010 07:12:25 AM · #40


Message edited by author 2010-04-02 09:15:49.
 04/02/2010 07:20:01 AM · #41
Originally posted by langdon:

We have already started internal discussion on policies for handling these investigations, and how to handle the results of the investigations in the future.


Here are some ideas to consider.

In other industries, database mining is regularly used to identify abnormal patterns and regularly detects fraud, abuse, or even criminal activity. However, as mentioned in the other thread, correlation is not causation. After a pattern is detected, the next step is verification. In the medical world, this might mean reviewing the medical records, making site visits, interviewing practitioners or patients. In retail, it might mean reviewing surveillance film or sending in secret shoppers. In DPC world, this might mean a period of focused monitoring; it might mean double checking with those who are producing abnormal patterns (as suggested in the previous thread); or it could mean providing notification with a limited window of time for explanation. It won’t be perfect, but there are ways to do this that do not depend entirely on the honesty of the person with the abnormal pattern.

After verification comes action. The other thread had suggestions about better notification about intended actions. Action may include a wide range of consequences: warning, requirement for self-monitoring/reporting, education or mentoring, limitation, temporary suspension, banishment, or other action. Having criteria ahead of time for each level of action makes it easier to be consistent. Dealing with cases falling exactly on the line between levels of severity should be anticipated.

After action, the next step could be an appeal process (for appropriate cases). Ideally, an appeal is handled by fresh eyes. For DPC, that might mean some Site Council members would be kept out of the initial individual decisions so they can handle appeals. Communicating this ahead of time (posted online, or even with the notice of abnormal pattern) can help assure both the perception and the reality of fairness. Although setting rules and dealing with appeals may seem like extra work, in the end having such a process can be less work than dealing with a mess on an ad hoc basis. Having the rules clear ahead of time (what kinds of action are eligible for appeal, how it will be fair, timelines, channels for communication, how to provide useful information, what acts as a supreme court, where this fits in terms of use, etc.) can be helpful. This can be done without turning everyone into lawyers. The ticket system already provides one communication channel that can be part of the process.

This was obviously a difficult process both in the initial project and in the aftermath. Your spirit of improvement going forward is much appreciated.
04/02/2010 07:23:54 AM · #42
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by posthumous:
And of course, by "site council" I mean "someone who's not shannon"

You do know Tranquility, NJ is within baseball bat distance of my house, right?


woah...that's within baseball bat distance of my house also.....Can I come with spare bat just to watch?
 04/02/2010 09:01:02 AM · #43
Many thanks to the SC for their quick response.
While I still feel this shouldn't have happened in the first place, I'm hoping that a lesson was learned and I'm grateful for the SC's willingness to admit a mistake and move forward.
Open, direct communication is certainly key to success.
I would like to respectfully suggest that when talking about how to handle this situation that you make it a discussion about communication. Not that this was exactly the same as what just happened with these suspensions, but I can still remember quite vividly my feelings when I received an email message saying an entry of mine had been DQd. The message was a packaged one, I had no idea what I had done wrong,and there was no room for discussion until after the decision had already been made to remove my entry from the challenge.

I am so happy to know that we will carry on here but I hope the information channels can be worked on to prevent another event like this in the future.
04/02/2010 09:04:58 AM · #44
Im glad this got resolved with everyone being happy. Once again kudos to the SC. :)
 04/02/2010 09:14:07 AM · #45
Tissues anyone?
 04/02/2010 09:17:26 AM · #46
Originally posted by MAK:
Tissues anyone?


Ha! Amen.
 04/02/2010 09:44:40 AM · #47
Originally posted by macrothing:

Yes, it IS good that an apology was made, among other things, that DOES help, BUT, this was a very serious action and has left many with a bitter taste in their mouth.


Agreed. Yes it IS a good thing; far better than an experience I had at another site where the fallout and the two camps that rose from it got FAR, FAR UGLIER than what occurred here (and if you are curious about that I can give you the name so that you can then go look up the reams of discontent that occurred in that site's period of history).

Anger has it's place. *But* when one falls into the trap of having that anger control you rather than control it & channel it to seek a rational resolution then communication falls apart - on BOTH sides. I saw a few fall into that trap, but not most. Communication lines AND more importantly LISTENING lines remained open for the most part -- thank goodness (that is one thing that caused me to 'leave' that site I mentioned for a time....things did eventually resolve but it was never truly the same again)

Actions speak louder than words...and so far the action of publicly acknowledging procedure needs to be modified, Admins communicating with their members, a public apology, and reinstating Posthumous *AFTER* careful consideration can and does give the community some confidence. It's the gum that will hold this site together;-)

Oh, one can be wary and watch that the words match the actions (actually I encourage that) but tis not good to hold onto the anger for a long period of time - it just rots you inside.

One last thing I would like to mention. Quite a few others have mentioned that the 'parties' thrown appear distasteful and look disrespectful to the gravity of the situation.

Yes, on the surface it does look disrespectful and distasteful. *BUT* there is a certain wisdom in 'defusing' the anger least it explodes, yes? If you constantly bang your head on a wall blood will eventually spill. Step away to blow off some steam, collect your thoughts, and 'laugh' (there is a wonderful passage about the strength of laughter from a Mark Twain story that I absolutely love) a little allows one to come back more focused and less frustrated and angry to tackle the problem.

O.K. enough talking, going to vote a little more then go outside and take pictures. Anyone going to join me in that action:-)

Message edited by author 2010-04-02 10:49:46.
 04/02/2010 10:28:08 AM · #48
Originally posted by macrothing:
Yes, it IS good that an apology was made, among other things, that DOES help, BUT, this was a very serious action and has left many with a bitter taste in their mouth.

Yep. I remain really flummoxed as to how Don could possibly have gotten caught up in this considering his wide appeal amongst the community and the honesty and transparency of his actions regarding his general attitude about the conventional workings of the site.

[Vent on] point I'd like to mention is that there was discussion about unrelated activities taking away from the general intent of the site. It seemed odd to me to hear Don's side awards being bandied about as one of those activities, and then we heard that part of the confusion for snap decisions being made was the next season of the DPL.

DPL is *not* DP Challenge, it is every bit as much of a side venture as Team Suck, which has a wonderful in-community rapport, and the Posthumous Awards, which some of us hold in equally high, or in some cases higher, regard than the "real" ribbons. These are not the function and efforts of someone without a great deal of impact and influence in a positive manner on the community. I know that apologies have been made, and I won't beat this drum any more, but I've been stewing about this since the whole thing went down......[/vent off]
 04/02/2010 10:39:23 AM · #49
Originally posted by mpeters:
now I'm shipping nuts all over creation. :)



I thought Langdon said to keep this thread clean?
 04/02/2010 10:42:47 AM · #50
Originally posted by :

Yes, it IS good that an apology was made, among other things, that DOES help, BUT, this was a very serious action and has left many with a bitter taste in their mouth.


The truly sad aspect of this issue is that all of this could have been dealt with in private, sparing all of us the drama that ensued. I can certainly appreciate being the subject of accusations that may not be substantiated, but this airing of laundry in public only served to generate a fair amount of discourse and on occasion name calling.

Standing up for one's rights is indeed laudable, but I do feel that we as a collective are a tad poorer for it today and I personally have lost respect for some of the individuals that fanned the flames of discontent.

Originally posted by :
....And you know what, I am still sick of seeing certain Site Council members acting in an unprofessional manner on this site (yes mostly in the Forums (the root of all evil here)).


Funny thing about forums is that one can always turn them off. I can't say that I share your views relative to the "unprofessional manners" you allude to, and would argue that quite the contrary, those SC that participate in these forums are models of discretion, patience, tolerance and savoir faire.

Forums are most certainly not the root of all evil here. If indeed this was the case and forums did not exist, we would not be having this discussion at present and the site might be missing some very colourful members.

On a positive side, we have all learned from this and hopefully we can meander down life's pathway the wiser for it, maybe not holding hands and playing kissy face, but most certainly the better for it.

Ray

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