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04/01/2010 05:01:04 PM · #76 |
Wow.
There's a risk to being on the fringe of the herd. Sometimes you by your own actions have made yourself a target for questioning..
I definitely feel for SC as they are not doing this for a paycheck, and probably would have been (will be??) willing to reverse the decision if a well thought out reply was received.
In any case, I don't know too much about the specifics, but I have to agree that a bit of patience might well have served your purposes much better.
I for one have never really cared for some of the aspects of the posthumous crowd,no, not the art! It's entirely about dilution and having sub-cultures that I perceive as having multiple (unintended) negative consequences. Taking a loose quote from myself the last time this was discussed (abstract catalog crew job), this is essentially throwing a pizza pie into a pie judging contest.. Sure it's delicious, but is it fair? (You know the judges want ANYTHING that's not a traditional pie -- mind you traditional pies are great, just not after you've eaten 20 of them).. And the biggest problem with this scenario, is that after the pizza guy wins blue (or is patted on the back by a good number of onlookers), next year there are 5 pizzas, a couple of quiche, and probably a damned blueberry pie flavored lollipop.. Dilution. This is dilution.
And to make my point, I can see that today there are many, many more posthumous type images being entered on a regular basis into almost every challenge, as I see it, an indicator that this logic is correct.
I would also like to say, that I do appreciate the aesthetic that you present and encourage Don, as I feel it is valuable, I would just prefer to see it fostered in a way that didn't involve encouraging the pizza makers to enter pie contests. I would even like a regular posthumous type challenge, as I had lots of fun shooting the one image I ever had mentioned in your thread (I shot it for the fine art challenge BTW), and I felt honored just to be mentioned there, because that's what I wanted for that shot, it was success.
I don't know, dammit, somebody from SC help Posthumous setup a regular challenge type that will encourage this, and separate the ones who appreciate fair play and good art from the buggers that just like to stir the pot.
Cheers,
And Don, do stay, it's still not to late to admit that you were (regrettably) much too fast on the draw here.
-Cory
ETA: I usually love pointandshoot's images too.
Message edited by author 2010-04-01 17:37:26. |
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04/01/2010 05:05:46 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Well, Don. I'm in no mood to party, yet. Hope you don't mind if I keep my lights on for a while and lay off the spirits. |
ZZ's a wise man. I'm going to join him in the corner and sip on a warm beer until SC has a chance to reconsider your suspension. |
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04/01/2010 05:20:16 PM · #78 |
I'm not sure how to take all this. Part of me has lost all respect for the site admins -- not only for what they're accusing you of but for how they're handling it.
The other part of me wants to remind you who you'll really be hurting if/when you leave. Me!
This whole thing sucks. I'll be requesting a partial refund of my membership if you leave... |
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04/01/2010 05:28:19 PM · #79 |
| He's not leaving. We've tied him up in the back room and are plying him with fine wine and better food as we speak. |
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04/01/2010 05:29:27 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by ace flyman:
It appears a group of people want to make the minority the majority and that isn't why I'm here personally. |
Whotheheck are you TALKING about, man? Who's doing that? Not Don, not me, not anyone I can see. We just wanna be left alone to do our thing. And up until very, very recently we have been...
Now let's chill out and enjoy the party/wake OK?
R. |
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04/01/2010 05:33:12 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
What? NO CHOCOLATE? Can't be a party without chocolate. And by the gods, I have yet to find a decent (or even half decent) cappucino since returning to the US of A. So please. If you're gonna throw a freakin' party, there had better be chocolate and a damn good cappucino. |
OK OK how about a little Godiva chocklate...or are u more into dutch chocolate.
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04/01/2010 05:42:25 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Melethia:
What? NO CHOCOLATE? Can't be a party without chocolate. And by the gods, I have yet to find a decent (or even half decent) cappucino since returning to the US of A. So please. If you're gonna throw a freakin' party, there had better be chocolate and a damn good cappucino. |
OK OK how about a little Godiva chocklate...or are u more into dutch chocolate. |
Swiss ...  or local ...  |
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04/01/2010 05:44:56 PM · #83 |
I'm staying for the party and will continue to party on. This was a all a very good idea gone very bad. I wish the SC would admit that it could have and should have been handled the situation better. And I wish the affected parties would admit that they over-reacted and give it time to sort itself out.
Oh wait...
I was an affected party...
I admit it; I over-reacted (to something that was handled poorly.)
I would hope that calmer heads could prevail, that people can step back and put aside the hurt feelings, and look at, not just the numbers, but the multiple explanations that can be behind those numbers.
Now I brought over some IBC from the comings and goings thread, and I brought chocolate.
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04/01/2010 05:49:08 PM · #84 |
| Hey, you stole that from my party, giiiiiiiiiiiiiive it back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =P |
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04/01/2010 05:50:04 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I wish the SC would admit that it could have and should have been handled the situation better. |
Did you read  frisca's post(s)? Has anyone tried to claim this was handled perfectly well? If you are asking for reconsideration, perhaps a little more consideration and less animosity would advance the process more quickly with fewer divergences into personalities ... |
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04/01/2010 05:58:00 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Melethia:
What? NO CHOCOLATE? Can't be a party without chocolate. And by the gods, I have yet to find a decent (or even half decent) cappucino since returning to the US of A. So please. If you're gonna throw a freakin' party, there had better be chocolate and a damn good cappucino. |
OK OK how about a little Godiva chocklate...or are u more into dutch chocolate. |
Swiss ... or local ... |
The best chocolate comes from the small Chocolatiers in Belgium. The little shops on the little streets where the husband and wife have made chocolates on site for years. Unbelievable stuff, that. |
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04/01/2010 06:01:04 PM · #87 |
Well, I remember a recent challenge where a dozen or so got together to make a statement and it wasn't about eye candy either. That tells me you don't what to be left alone to do your thing. Again there is nothing wrong with that. DPC needs to grow and establishing a venue for this type of photography would be great. My last post on the subject. Don and I haven't seen eye to eye on everything, but I'm not going to have fun or party because he's leaving.
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by ace flyman:
It appears a group of people want to make the minority the majority and that isn't why I'm here personally. |
Whotheheck are you TALKING about, man? Who's doing that? Not Don, not me, not anyone I can see. We just wanna be left alone to do our thing. And up until very, very recently we have been...
Now let's chill out and enjoy the party/wake OK?
R. |
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04/01/2010 06:03:36 PM · #88 |
| Donnelly Chocolate in Santa Cruz has a world-wide reputation. It's a superbly photogenic drive from Santa Barbara through Big Sur and Monterey to get there.... |
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04/01/2010 06:06:13 PM · #89 |
| i just want to say to Don particularly, that nothwithstanding this thread, there will be resolution to this matter, and I hope you do not let this assertion be the only thing that stands in your way or stayiing or of returning. You might feel marginalized, but let me quote Margaret Mead: "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has." |
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04/01/2010 06:09:38 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by frisca:
i just want to say to Don particularly, that nothwithstanding this thread, there will be resolution to this matter, and I hope you do not let this assertion be the only thing that stands in your way or stayiing or of returning. You might feel marginalized, but let me quote Margaret Mead: "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has." |
That's one of my favorite all time quotes. Very appropriate. Thanks frisca! |
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04/01/2010 06:12:00 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by ace flyman:
It appears a group of people want to make the minority the majority and that isn't why I'm here personally. |
Whotheheck are you TALKING about, man? Who's doing that? Not Don, not me, not anyone I can see. We just wanna be left alone to do our thing. And up until very, very recently we have been...
Now let's chill out and enjoy the party/wake OK?
R. |
Excuse me Robert but your statement that you want to be left alone is making me write this. How many times have I seen comments like this?
Water drop shots are boring and I'm going to vote them down...
Eye candy images are boring and require no skill except bright lights and colour....
I hate voting on these challenges ( or something to that effect ).... Louis said this one about the Product Shot challenge. Don't you think these comments influence some people here?
I have a lousy memory and can't remember all the negative comments towards photographers of this site by some of your group. I wonder why Irene doesn't participate lately, could it be because she feels that her photography isn't appreciated here anymore? Even my own photography has been modified by these comments. Any shot that involves water is put to the wayside because I KNOW that it'll be voted down by quite a few members of this community and that has taken away from my enjoyment of this site. I appreciate your effort and all the rest of your group that want to introduce different styles of photography to this site and I learn from this a lot more than I imagined at first but the way you're doing it, lately, is just simply disrespectful to the community and especially to those who took the time to plan a product shot seriously. It was wrong to go about it that way and I hope you and your group have learned a lesson from this tactic.
Saying you want to be left alone to do your thing makes me laugh. If all you wanted to do is your thing and be left alone then why did you and your group invade a product challenge two weeks ago? That is not the best way to be left alone as far as I'm concerned. Quite the opposite, as we all saw.
I'm in the middle in all of this. I want to continue to learn how to set up quality studio images using the techniques many photogs use on this site like Techo, Irene, etc. But I also want to expand by using techniques that Pointandshoot or Posthumous, and many others, use in their photography so in reality I don't want anyone to leave and I would like to see more of these people help DPC become even better than it already is.
I'm rambling.... so I'll stop. Damn beer! |
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04/01/2010 06:12:45 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by ace flyman:
The style of DPC has been stated many times "Eye Candy" with some very creative point of views. Yet still so called eye candy.
Yet if there was a venue for Artistic, abstract type of images in a challenge I'd probably play. Again. if this wasn't my cup of tea I wouldn't impose my style, I'd move on. |
You might want to brush up on your DPC history.  jjbeguin was the perennial ribbon winner back in the day with his artistic and even abstract images. I'm sure glad he didn't take your advice and never signed up. What you fail to realize is when you allow anybody to sign up and participate, like what we do here, change is inevitable. It seems like what you want is to change DPC to something isn't, an exclusive club.
Message edited by author 2010-04-01 18:14:52.
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04/01/2010 06:14:11 PM · #93 |
| I am just thinking how weird is it going to be to throw your own leaving party, then come back !!!!lol |
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04/01/2010 06:16:14 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
I am just thinking how weird is it going to be to throw your own leaving party, then come back !!!!lol |
Well his username would make sense if he did just that.
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04/01/2010 06:24:45 PM · #95 |
Jaysus, Jac, we didn't "invade" a thing. We didn't do it to make a point. We weren't trying to change anything. We were just doing something different. And you can be damned sure it won't happen again, given the way we've been raked over the coals like we're... oh.... communists or something...
Now let's drink up!
R. |
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04/01/2010 06:31:45 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Jaysus, Jac, we didn't "invade" a thing. We didn't do it to make a point. We weren't trying to change anything. We were just doing something different. And you can be damned sure it won't happen again, given the way we've been raked over the coals like we're... oh.... communists or something...
Now let's drink up!
R. |
You're whelming me, sir. ;-) |
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04/01/2010 06:48:45 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
You're whelming me, sir. ;-) |
Your health, David!
R, |
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04/01/2010 06:51:33 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
There's actually nothing that chills me more than watching members of a majority imply, or outright state, that perhaps the minority would be better off moving on. In fact, it pisses me off. |
Someone in some other thread related to some or all of this said something similar, somewhere. Er -- that is, suggesting people leave, wander away, bugger off because they're not "part of the site" or some such. I was going to write in response:
Proposed rule # 15: Do not suggest other users leave the site, for any reason, whatsoever. Doing so will result in an immediate raspberry, and a forum suspension of 72 hours.
Message edited by author 2010-04-01 18:51:58. |
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04/01/2010 07:00:19 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by Jac:
I hate voting on these challenges ( or something to that effect ).... Louis said this one about the Product Shot challenge. |
I said no such thing. I said I didn't like participating. |
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04/01/2010 07:00:26 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Proposed rule # 15: Do not suggest other users leave the site, for any reason, whatsoever. Doing so will result in an immediate raspberry, and a forum suspension of 72 hours. |
yes. good. I second proposed rule #15 |
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