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03/25/2010 08:56:43 PM · #101 |
Is there any way we can please, please, get you to add the lens, shutter speed, and aperture to these shots (and all the shots you've been so kind as to share in this thread..). I can't speak for everyone, but I personally think that adds a huge amount of instructional value to photographs like these. |
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03/25/2010 09:01:51 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by jminso:
What are your suggestions for shooting baseball as far as the angle and where you should place yourself? Especially if you don't have a press pass. |
depending on why you're shooting you could get by staying in one place or you might be moving like a jack rabbit. when i'm shooting to fill a hole in a paper, i'll set up behind the 1B dugout where i can have a clean view of the batters coming to 1st as well as a clean look at second base. i might shoot some from the 3rd base side, as well. now, if i'm shooting for a school, i'll also shoot from behind home plate, from the front end of the dugouts, from the bull pen, from centerfield, from inside the dugout, from the stands, and from the pressbox. i'll try to shoot each player batting and in the field. i'm not as interested in shooting action as i am in getting good shots of each player on the team.
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Is there any way we can please, please, get you to add the lens, shutter speed, and aperture to these shots (and all the shots you've been so kind as to share in this thread..). I can't speak for everyone, but I personally think that adds a huge amount of instructional value to photographs like these. |
i can't speak for matt, but that's a real pita; it would be nice if dpc would extract that stuff automatically. however, since matt is uploading images without stripping the exif, you can actually dig it out yourself rather easily (especially if you're using firefox)
Message edited by author 2010-03-25 21:06:28. |
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03/25/2010 09:04:40 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by karmat:
Do you remain in one spot for football? |
I'm glad you ask, Football is the one sport where I make an exception to my rule of staying put. I stay 15-20 yards ahead of the line of scrimmage, or I stay 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage on the offensive side to shoot defenders rushing the QB or the QB passing. I walk up and down the sideline with the play. When the offense reaches the 30 yard line I go to the end zone and shoot from there to get the players coming head on to me. I would have to pull some stuff from the archives to give examples, so I will this weekend.
Matt |
That's what I figured. That's how I do it as well. Get lots of exercise in the fall on Saturdays (4 little league games -- around 6 or 7 hours of walking/shooting). One of these days, I'm going to pedometer myself and see how far I actually walk. |
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03/25/2010 09:08:37 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by karmat:
Do you remain in one spot for football? |
I'm glad you ask, Football is the one sport where I make an exception to my rule of staying put. I stay 15-20 yards ahead of the line of scrimmage, or I stay 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage on the offensive side to shoot defenders rushing the QB or the QB passing. I walk up and down the sideline with the play. When the offense reaches the 30 yard line I go to the end zone and shoot from there to get the players coming head on to me. I would have to pull some stuff from the archives to give examples, so I will this weekend.
Matt |
That's what I figured. That's how I do it as well. Get lots of exercise in the fall on Saturdays (4 little league games -- around 6 or 7 hours of walking/shooting). One of these days, I'm going to pedometer myself and see how far I actually walk. |
one of these days you should get a segue ;-) |
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03/25/2010 09:21:17 PM · #105 |
Cory I did go back and add exif to the information. As skip said, DPC is behind the times in making you manually enter that stuff, be nice if they would enter the current century. I am leaving exif attached so you can easily see it yourself depending on your browser with an add on. I will try to remember to do that each time I upload them.......however I'm pretty busy and might forget or not have time to do it when I can update.
jmniso as Skip said a lot of where and what you shoot with sports will depend on where your end product will end up. For the paper for baseball I take my pitcher photos in the first inning from behind the fence. Starting pitchers are a must for my editor of each game. Besides as I was once told sometimes the game doesn't make a lot of good photo ops, so you always have your safe photos to fall back on. Generally I pick my first base or third base perspective based on sunshine, which direction is it facing. I always try to avoid shooting too much back light. I prefer first base as most batters are right handed, you can also get several chances at a pick off play at first base, tags at second on stolen base attempts, and also the turn of a double play at second. If the light is right I'll shoot for a while from first, then move to third and shoot a bit.
I rarely shoot for schools, mostly for paper and for specific parents. When shooting for the paper I'm trying to tell the story of the game in photos, when shooting for parents I'm trying to nail action and Sportraits of little Johnny.
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03/25/2010 09:41:14 PM · #106 |
Matt, I'm just curious... do you ever do any panning at these sporting events... I know personally, I find it allot tougher to pan with people. I don't know why, maybe because limbs are moving and flying around... Anyway, I went out to my local R.C. track to shoot some photos the other day, and I figured I'd share a few here since we are talking action shots...
Here are a few panning... and believe me, I'm still learning how to pan...
Here is a couple of still action...
And lastly... here is an excellent example of why you should shoot with two eyes open...LOL... it doesn't look that close, but this guy ended up flying over my right shoulder...LOL...
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03/26/2010 12:16:08 AM · #107 |
| so as not to distract from the technical side of shooting sports, here's a look at the business side of sports photography |
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03/27/2010 12:20:36 AM · #108 |
Today I shot an early season track meet that I always seem to draw the short straw on. It's not only a two level event, JV and Varsity mixed, so keeping the kids I am covering straight can be a challenge. Our paper usually only covers Varsity level due to the number of schools and sports we cover. But the finish line has strong backlighting. As you go around the events you are constantly chasing your settings. So knowing your camera and the buttons by heart is essential because some events as you shoot you change settings on the fly. Here are a few examples of the lighting I deal with at this event.
Harsh backlighting at the finish line, or the full race for shorter sprint and hurdle events. you have no choice but to not shoot the events or deal with it.
But that also means on the other side you have some great light to shoot in. 
Some events will be strongly lite from the side. 
As it is still early in the season the light begins to fade quickly, your shutter speed falls and your ISO goes up.  6400ISO
And then of course you have no light at all to shoot in. This is actually in the brighter spot of the track where the field lights actually hit it a bit.  10,000 ISO
So can you change your shutter speed, ISO, F stop without pulling your eye from the viewfinder? Try it a few times, practice it until you can. Your results will thank you.
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03/27/2010 03:31:28 AM · #109 |
[quote=MattO] One thing to consider when shooting sports is your angle. I see too many photographers standing straight up shooting with their monopods way up in the air. When your subjects are smaller then you it doesn't do them justice. I prefer to go ATG which is my way of saying put your tush in the turf. Get low and shoot.
Hi Matt
is there anyway that you could post the original of this image just so we could see how much cropping, if any, there is |
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03/27/2010 06:15:18 AM · #110 |
I would assume that getting started building a portfolio in school sports, almost requires children involved in said sports, how else could one explain a stranger waving around a imposing looking camera at children?
If yes, then if your child is in the big game, how do you separate dad from photographer? |
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03/27/2010 09:34:10 AM · #111 |
i started shooting before my son started playing, but I had nephews on the field. As a result, almost all of the kids know me as Trav's mom, or Brayden's aunt, or Chase's aunt, etc. The upside is that the kids feel really comfortable around me know, and I get some really cute "hamming it up" shots on the sidelines.
At first, the other parents thought I was just on the field shooting my son, and a couple had to be asked to leave. Then, as the pictures started showing up in the paper, many of them figured it out. :P
I *have* been known to get so excited I forget to shoot, but that mainly happens in basketball. On the football field and baseball diamond, I'm extra careful to keep my big mouth shut, because if I say too much (keep in mind I go to the practices and know what the coaches tell them) the opposing team doesn't accuse our team of having a "coach" wandering outside the coaches' boxes and coaching from behind the camera.
Also, I have found out that when I'm shooting, I'm still watching the game, and involved, but I don't gnaw my nails down to the quick in nervousness. :P
Now, when my son scores the final point of the bball season, gets an awesome tackle, or hits the ball to the fence, yeah, I cheer. I'm a mom, can't help myself -- a dad would probably be more controlled. |
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03/27/2010 09:52:04 AM · #112 |
Originally posted by alans_world:
I would assume that getting started building a portfolio in school sports, almost requires children involved in said sports, how else could one explain a stranger waving around a imposing looking camera at children?
If yes, then if your child is in the big game, how do you separate dad from photographer? |
Alan I would say no, my son is 13 and isn't involved in any sports. I do have some cousins children who do sports, but to be honest I've never shot a single game they were in, mostly because I'm so busy when they are playing that I never have a night off to see them play. My portfolio besides news started with going to some games and shooting from where parents with children would shoot from, paying my way in just like everyone else and shooting some of the game, I picked my best stuff and showed some to my current editor. Although honestly four years down the road I'd be embarrassed to show him any of those photos. LOL
It's always tough to separate yourself from emotions in anything. Whether it be your child, your old high school, a team you normally cover ECT. But you just keep your cheers and your thoughts to yourself and do your job. The hardest part for me is not saying something to the officials who by the calls they make are influencing the game, some of which I know very well.
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03/27/2010 10:01:46 AM · #113 |
Originally posted by Hifi:
Originally posted by MattO:
One thing to consider when shooting sports is your angle. I see too many photographers standing straight up shooting with their monopods way up in the air. When your subjects are smaller then you it doesn't do them justice. I prefer to go ATG which is my way of saying put your tush in the turf. Get low and shoot.
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Hi Matt
is there anyway that you could post the original of this image just so we could see how much cropping, if any, there is |
Here is the Straight out of camera, resized to fit web with no adjustments original of that shot.
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03/27/2010 10:02:12 AM · #114 |
| Thank you for your answers.. |
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03/29/2010 09:22:38 PM · #115 |
Shot baseball today. First game in a while, and felt like I was rusty as can be. Had so many players and umpires step in front of me today while trying to get the shots I felt like I was going to fail on the assignment. Sometimes the stars are not aligned in your favor. Today was that day for me. A few from today.
   
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03/30/2010 10:04:21 AM · #116 |
Out of curiosity, how many photos from a given event are you expected to return for the editor to choose from for printing?
From this number that you return, what are a typical number that are actually printed for an event? |
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03/30/2010 11:07:26 AM · #117 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
Out of curiosity, how many photos from a given event are you expected to return for the editor to choose from for printing?
From this number that you return, what are a typical number that are actually printed for an event? |
Typically I am expected to turn in 15-20 shots. Out of those generally 3-4 will run in the next weeks paper. Others will be cornholed(for lack of a better term) to be used at their discretion if needed later in the season, or to preview the next years season if the player is a returning player for that season. Daily papers would not be this way, unless they also sold images online where you would be expected to put that many available for sale on their site.
My paper works a bit differently then most daily or weekly papers as we photographers retain copyrights and authority to sell to parents or groups once the images have run in the paper. We of course can not use them for commercial sales unless we obtain a model release from the people in the photographs.
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03/31/2010 12:12:20 AM · #118 |
I'm going to bump this thread once. I've got two basketball games later this week that I'm going to strobe. I'm hoping to remember to get some set up shots. Although they will have the court's turned a different angle then I'm used to shooting so I will have to work out a new setup for that gym. Anyone have any questions or anything they want me to take shots of to help understand strobing in a gym.
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03/31/2010 02:29:40 AM · #119 |
Hi Matt
Is it possible for you to take a general shot of the court and your strobes to see where they are in relation to where you will be shooting from, how high up they are, direction they are pointing etc.
Once again many thanks for all the effort you are putting into this thread, I know there is a great deal of information that I am learning. |
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03/31/2010 08:15:21 AM · #120 |
| Yes please, shoot the magic arms and strobe attachments, the grip. Thanks, Matt. |
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03/31/2010 09:35:17 PM · #121 |
Hey guys I'll do what I can to get everything that was requested tomorrow night. I'm going to head out a bit early to set up and get some photos.
Today's lesson was real simple be prepared for work, even you don't expect it. I was called at 3:25 this afternoon by my editor who had forgot to assign a make up game which started at 4:30. Luckily I always carry one camera and a couple of lens with me. However I was at my day job(yeah I have one of them) and had no clothes or long lens to work with. luckily my wife was able to put me what I needed together and meet me at the field so I could work. Always be prepared.
On another note I've been extremely discouraged by what is happening in the voting thread and I'm not sure how long I'm going to continue contributing to this thread. While I certainly understand why some of it was done, what has happened to Don,  posthumous is really hurtful to this site. And I don't know if I'm going to be a part of a site that does something like that to a user who puts his heart and soul into a site.
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03/31/2010 10:14:33 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Hey guys I'll do what I can to get everything that was requested tomorrow night. I'm going to head out a bit early to set up and get some photos.
Today's lesson was real simple be prepared for work, even you don't expect it. I was called at 3:25 this afternoon by my editor who had forgot to assign a make up game which started at 4:30. Luckily I always carry one camera and a couple of lens with me. However I was at my day job(yeah I have one of them) and had no clothes or long lens to work with. luckily my wife was able to put me what I needed together and meet me at the field so I could work. Always be prepared.
On another note I've been extremely discouraged by what is happening in the voting thread and I'm not sure how long I'm going to continue contributing to this thread. While I certainly understand why some of it was done, what has happened to Don, posthumous is really hurtful to this site. And I don't know if I'm going to be a part of a site that does something like that to a user who puts his heart and soul into a site.
Matt |
Matt, if its any consolation... if the suspension sticks, I'm canceling my account and leaving... I won't a part of this site who does that to someone like him... So you're not alone... |
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03/31/2010 10:14:56 PM · #123 |
Adding some images from the game today.
  
Number 2 is a heavy crop as you can tell by the image quality. That is a case where I wouldn't have normally shot that photo, but it had the chance of being a game changing play in the game so I shot it. He made the catch just as he was leaving his feet forward.
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03/31/2010 10:39:04 PM · #124 |
nice stuff, matt!
i shot a roadrace saturday morning. lotsa stuff to shoot ;-)
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and i'm with you on the don thing. bad mojo goin on :(
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04/02/2010 08:41:56 PM · #125 |
Apologies for the lateness of a response. I shot two games last night while running late. I have some game shots with some variations of settings, also took a few other set up shots. But as soon as I got home and downloaded camera my mom called me as she had just called 911 as my dad was having chest pains and trouble breathing. I'll post some photos this weekend once I catch up on some sleep and some work.
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