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03/08/2010 12:45:13 AM · #1
Hi,

I saw several challenges now where the winner got one or more 1-votes which are completely inexplicable to me.

Are there people who want to raise their own chances by picking the best images and giving them a 1?
Are there people who recognize by style who made the entry and just want to tick those people off?
Are there people who simply click through a challenge and give everyone a 1?
Are there people who simply give a 1 to every child portrait or flower picture?

What could be a reproducible but bad reason to give a 1 to a apparently qualitatively perfect image?

What could it be? I am very interested in your opinion?
03/08/2010 12:49:31 AM · #2
Originally posted by tokyoahead:

Hi,

I saw several challenges now where the winner got one or more 1-votes which are completely inexplicable to me.

Are there people who want to raise their own chances by picking the best images and giving them a 1?
Are there people who recognize by style who made the entry and just want to tick those people off?
Are there people who simply click through a challenge and give everyone a 1?
Are there people who simply give a 1 to every child portrait or flower picture?

What could be a reproducible but bad reason to give a 1 to a apparently qualitatively perfect image?

What could it be? I am very interested in your opinion?


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03/08/2010 12:50:50 AM · #3
All of the above, and more.

Hello, my name is K10DGuy, and I'm a 1 voter.

Not all the time, mind you, but I do give out 1s.
03/08/2010 01:28:59 AM · #4
Don't get me wrong, I do not oppose to give 1s as such, as long as there is some reasonable explanation for doing so.

I wonder if the SC does not want to set some trigger where people are banned from voting if they abuse the system (more than 50% 1s or whatever there might be) I am not sure if something like this is practicable but I am quite convinced that if people are abusing the system, they should not be allowed to vote.
03/08/2010 01:35:23 AM · #5
There is a system in place to dump scores if the voter's pattern is irregular (ie 50% 1s would probably be considered irregular). There have been MANY discussions on who votes 1s and why, and really it is simply something not to lose sleep over. :-)
03/08/2010 01:47:12 AM · #6
Originally posted by tokyoahead:

Don't get me wrong, I do not oppose to give 1s as such, as long as there is some reasonable explanation for doing so.

I wonder if the SC does not want to set some trigger where people are banned from voting if they abuse the system (more than 50% 1s or whatever there might be) I am not sure if something like this is practicable but I am quite convinced that if people are abusing the system, they should not be allowed to vote.


As Melethia stated, there is a system in place already.

Also, what is a "reasonable explanation"?

To me, a reasonable explanation could be "because I don't like it". Period. That's more than reasonable is it not? Some people would not think so.

It just always simply comes down to the sooner you just accept the full range of scoring in every challenge and find a comfortable voting pattern for your own self, and stop paying attention to the statistics, DPC becomes a far more enjoyable place.
03/08/2010 01:56:57 AM · #7
You talk about "an apparently qualitatively perfect image"... Leaving aside for the moment any difficulties in establishing what exactly is "qualitative perfection" when it comes to photography, it's a simple fact that some people aren't even slightly interested in viewing pictures of milk being dropped into coffee cups, say... It's been done to death, it's all technical perfection and no soul to a lot of people, and they are letting their preferences be known.

From my own perspective, an image that fails to get some low votes is an image that has failed. There's nothing controversial about it, it's plain vanilla. I'd rather have 10 1's and 10 10's than 20 5's any day :-)

R.
03/08/2010 02:00:00 AM · #8
Heh, I was going to say that, too, Robert, that I wonder what I did wrong when I don't get ANY 1s. :-)
03/08/2010 02:02:02 AM · #9
I only give out 1's to shots that could conceivably compete with me for ribbons. But if my own shot is scoring low, I don't bother with the low-balling strategy.
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03/08/2010 02:47:10 AM · #10
Hmmm I understand that this is a tricky one.

Regarding the overused subjects: I agree with the differential between "well done" and "cannot see it anymore". However, I somehow think that DPC should be more a "this is a good image" vs. "I am since 10 year with DPC and cannot see it anymore". Specially if we think that there are some people which try this type of shot for the first time. Also I would agree if someone gives 1-3 points less for something like this, but the worst grade possible is a bit harsh in my point of view.

Regarding the "There should be 1's and 10's rather then all 5's" I agree since photography is art and art should be also a bit controversial instead of all of us being only stock photographers. Specially the images that are only technical marvels or only possible with very expensive equipment instead of bringing the emotional aspects forward fall into that matter.

While I do not want to rule out that there should be a matter of opinion and like/dislike in the voting, I think a constructive criticism should be reflected in the vote. I do not really understand how on the one side there are those very serious tutorials/manuals/do-dont's for criticizing and analyzing images and on the other hand people think that perfect-execution but done-before images deserve a 1. (yeah I know "what is perfect etc").

I am far from saying that there is or can be a perfect solution to this dilemma, or that the current way is decidedly wrong.
I wonder however if there should not be 2 votes, one for technical and one for emotional aspects to help specially learning photographers more on their way to improve. I do not think that enough people comment on the lower scored images to really bring an learning effect across. And I think that this should be the most important thing here. Not so much to confirm to someone who already earns his income with his camera that he can do yet another technically perfect orchid/waterdrop w/o emotions carried over.

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03/08/2010 02:50:04 AM · #11
Originally posted by tokyoahead:

I am very interested in your opinion?


my opinion is that we discuss this far too much, this site will be better, not when people stop votings 1's, but when we stop obsessing over it
03/08/2010 02:57:30 AM · #12
Originally posted by tokyoahead:

but the worst grade possible is a bit harsh in my point of view.



what is harsh? art is subjective, you can't ask someone; "how do you like this picture on a scale of 1 to 10" and then punish them for their answer. I will state right now alot of the fine art images currently in voting got a lower score from me because when i think "fine art" i think of something that someone else shot that i would want to hang on my wall as a work of art. many of these shots, while technically sound, do not fall into that category for me. is my view the only one? certainly not, but it is mine all the same and i don't fancy a system that seeks me out and penalizes me for it.
03/08/2010 03:15:59 AM · #13
Sometimes I do it on purpose

and sometimes it's accidental
03/08/2010 08:33:29 AM · #14
I have twice in the two years that I have been here given 1's to ribbon winners. One photo I thought was truely awful photo andone I thought was DNMC. Low scorers sometimes get 9's and 10's and ribbon winners sometimes get 1's. Always been like that and always will be.

Message edited by author 2010-03-08 08:33:49.
03/08/2010 08:38:20 AM · #15
Hi! My name is Judi. I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I believe everyone is entitled to their vote.

I still believe all 1 voters suck!! So there!

arggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!
03/08/2010 08:43:55 AM · #16
It's the right of any voter to vote as he/she sees fit. Accept it, or rail against it, your choice!......8>)
03/08/2010 08:48:46 AM · #17
1-voter ... who are you ?
I'm your father ... pshhh rhhhh
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03/08/2010 08:50:34 AM · #18
Should I admit that I felt very hurt by getting a ONE vote for the FIRST vote of my last two challenges?
If it weren't first I wouldn't have known but to see that one vote with a 1.000 is not fun.

I do understand and respect the system but......

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