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03/03/2010 04:08:16 PM · #1
I would like to see a rule that a person's opinion of the entered photos in a challenge should be withheld until the voting is over. The comment in the current Free Study that some of the photos appeared to be snapshots and in her opinion degraded the challenge. Some of the most famous photos were snapshots; the Hindeberg Airship photo, firemen carrying injurd children, Harry Truman with the Tribune photo. I would guess that most of us do not have the advantage of a studio and that is why most of our entries appear to be snapshots.
03/03/2010 04:13:50 PM · #2
Not to cause any trouble with anyone, but I totally agree. I have the lowest of the low end dslr and I'm extremely happy and thankful to have it. But I have no access to a studio, or all of these amazing flashes and wireless flashes and all of that. I just do the best that my limited knowledge and very limited budget allows. I'm not the best but I'm learning and having fun. I'm sure that applies to a lot of people on DPC. Most of the time I personally prefer a "snapshot" type image to the over worked high end studio stuff. But hey that's just me.
03/03/2010 04:17:02 PM · #3
Although I can see where you are coming from I don't think they meant it the way you are depicting it. I believe that they meant that all they did was say to themselves "OH NO! i must enter an image into free studies" and so they take 2 minutes and shot 3 photos and choose one. Correct me if I am wrong!
03/03/2010 04:17:29 PM · #4
I have no doubt I will continue to degrade all the challenges. Maybe we should restrict all challenges to the ten top entries?
03/03/2010 04:25:28 PM · #5
Hmmm....you don't have to have a studio or flash to capture some tremendous non-"snapshot" type photos. Take a look at some of the past Free Studies for examples (many, many, in the Top 10 and Ribbon Winners).
03/03/2010 04:33:01 PM · #6
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Hmmm....you don't have to have a studio or flash to capture some tremendous non-"snapshot" type photos. Take a look at some of the past Free Studies for examples (many, many, in the Top 10 and Ribbon Winners).


That's true. Sometimes I let myself get ahead of my brain. So, now I'm going to go back to my little dark corner and sit back down.
03/03/2010 04:37:09 PM · #7
I like snapshots. I shoot a helluva lot of them.

From ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Germaine's profile page:

"The snapshot is not as simple a statement as some may believe. It represents something that each of us has seen -- more as human beings than photographers -- and wants to keep as a memento, a special thing encountered. The little icons that return from the photo-finisher provide recollections of events, people, and places; they stir memories and create fantasies. Through the billions of snapshots made each year a visual history of our times is recorded in enormous detail.

Ansel Adams
"

03/03/2010 04:45:39 PM · #8
Hey, the bottom line is that we pretty much all shoot/shot snapshots at one point or another, and the equipment has nothing to do with it.

Studio? I can't shoot a studio portrait with all the equipmnet in the world......give me some oblique light and fifteen seconds and I got a chance.

A lot of some people's best work is in adverse and unusual situations.

There are many people here who have older equipment that will continuously crank out amazing work and there are people here with all the expensive doo-dads that don't do as well.

Everyone's got a right to their opinion, and with forums, you're gonna hear it.

Truth be told, if you think the reference applies to you, you're going to do what you can to get better, right?

Do you really think if someone gave you any camera you wanted today that you'd be on the front page next week?

Hang here, find the people who inspire, motivate, and help you......then blow us all away next year.

We'll be waiting!......8>)
03/03/2010 04:48:52 PM · #9
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Hey, the bottom line is that we pretty much all shoot/shot snapshots at one point or another, and the equipment has nothing to do with it.

Studio? I can't shoot a studio portrait with all the equipmnet in the world......give me some oblique light and fifteen seconds and I got a chance.

A lot of some people's best work is in adverse and unusual situations.

There are many people here who have older equipment that will continuously crank out amazing work and there are people here with all the expensive doo-dads that don't do as well.

Everyone's got a right to their opinion, and with forums, you're gonna hear it.

Truth be told, if you think the reference applies to you, you're going to do what you can to get better, right?

Do you really think if someone gave you any camera you wanted today that you'd be on the front page next week?

Hang here, find the people who inspire, motivate, and help you......then blow us all away next year.

We'll be waiting!......8>)


There's no better place to learn. All of you are pretty cool here.
03/03/2010 04:54:10 PM · #10
Originally posted by monster-zero:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Hmmm....you don't have to have a studio or flash to capture some tremendous non-"snapshot" type photos. Take a look at some of the past Free Studies for examples (many, many, in the Top 10 and Ribbon Winners).

That's true. Sometimes I let myself get ahead of my brain. So, now I'm going to go back to my little dark corner and sit back down.

Ummm...."dark corner"? No wonder you need a flash! :-)
03/03/2010 05:32:48 PM · #11
Originally posted by eaglebeck:

I would like to see a rule that a person's opinion of the entered photos in a challenge should be withheld until the voting is over. The comment in the current Free Study that some of the photos appeared to be snapshots and in her opinion degraded the challenge. Some of the most famous photos were snapshots; the Hindeberg Airship photo, firemen carrying injurd children, Harry Truman with the Tribune photo. I would guess that most of us do not have the advantage of a studio and that is why most of our entries appear to be snapshots.


There is a great feature for this... You don't look. Amazing how easy it works. You can see your score and see you have comments but you don't need to click on them. What a fantastic feature. No need to make it a rule, just use a bit of self control.

As for the 'Snapshot' comments, I am guilty, not for a while but I have left many of those types of comments. To me a snapshot is a photo taken more spontaneously of friends, family or other. Maybe a candid, maybe a goofy posed image, maybe just a shot off the hip. But whatever it is, for me a snapshot does not hold any balance, be it colour or composition. Now, with your 'examples' of snapshots, I would think they are more photo journalistic in nature, and perhaps the person behind the camera 'composed' the image/s a bit stronger than say the average schmo. Sure someone can get lucky with composition and such. but a snapshot for me just is not it.

As for you, you are free to believe something else. This is just my opinion. Though when you view as many images as I do throughout the day of this overly saturated 'hobby' you may think differently. Or you may not.
03/03/2010 05:35:28 PM · #12
hmmm, show me a journalistic photo that isn't a snapshot please?
03/03/2010 06:04:41 PM · #13
Originally posted by Melethia:

I like snapshots. I shoot a helluva lot of them.

From ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Germaine's profile page:

"The snapshot is not as simple a statement as some may believe. It represents something that each of us has seen -- more as human beings than photographers -- and wants to keep as a memento, a special thing encountered. The little icons that return from the photo-finisher provide recollections of events, people, and places; they stir memories and create fantasies. Through the billions of snapshots made each year a visual history of our times is recorded in enormous detail.

Ansel Adams
"


I love snapshots because they're so full of life. And you can just keep taking them and everyone is different. You just never know what you're going to capture!
But, in the end, these photographs are like anything else - good, bad, or indifferent.
I'm pretty sure the comment in the freestudy was more regarding indifference than any snapshots, perse. (and please note that I'm not in any way stating my own feelings towards the pictures in the current challenge)
03/03/2010 06:07:00 PM · #14
Originally posted by Jac:

hmmm, show me a journalistic photo that isn't a snapshot please?

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03/03/2010 06:09:01 PM · #15
sorry, wife's login :)

Message edited by author 2010-03-03 18:09:24.
03/03/2010 06:10:07 PM · #16
Originally posted by Quackers:

sorry, wife's login :)

When I refer to a shot on DPC being a "snapshot" I'm trying to say that it looks like you set the camera to auto, pointed it at the subject, and entered it on DPC. ie: it doesn't look like you've taken any effort to consider comnposition, lighting etc.

It's not a reflection on the need for a studio but on the effort it looks like you've put into making a good DPC image.
03/03/2010 06:13:15 PM · #17
Originally posted by Jac:

hmmm, show me a journalistic photo that isn't a snapshot please?

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

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Umm....that really isn't an accurate example as that image is the second flag raising.....for the camera....
03/03/2010 06:14:16 PM · #18
Originally posted by Nuzzer:

When I refer to a shot on DPC being a "snapshot" I'm trying to say that it looks like you set the camera to auto, pointed it at the subject, and entered it on DPC. ie: it doesn't look like you've taken any effort to consider comnposition, lighting etc.

It's not a reflection on the need for a studio but on the effort it looks like you've put into making a good DPC image.

You mean not using any PhotoShop, right?.....8>)
03/03/2010 06:23:13 PM · #19
It is all about the effort and not about the equipment. This shows in the pictures. Great famous shots which we all still love today, were made with the simpelest camera's you can imagine. These photographers would have killed for the options you have today, even in your Nokia or Iphone integrated cameras!
And you have a computer to participate on this website so you are able to crop a picture and do other basic improvements on your "snapshot" with any free software available.
But your uncleaned kitchen as background for your submitted photo has nothing to do with studio or equipment. It has all to do with effort.
Dito with all playmobil and Lego set-ups, rubber ducks and other low life materials.....

I do not think any comments here will influence my personal judgements. I'm 40+ :-)
03/03/2010 06:26:18 PM · #20
Originally posted by pjotre7:

It is all about the effort and not about the equipment. This shows in the pictures. Great famous shots which we all still love today, were made with the simpelest camera's you can imagine. These photographers would have killed for the options you have today, even in your Nokia or Iphone integrated cameras!
And you have a computer to participate on this website so you are able to crop a picture and do other basic improvements on your "snapshot" with any free software available.
But your uncleaned kitchen as background for your submitted photo has nothing to do with studio or equipment. It has all to do with effort.
Dito with all playmobil and Lego set-ups, rubber ducks and other low life materials.....

I do not think any comments here will influence my personal judgements. I'm 40+ :-)


Mostly well said. I do however disagree with your wholesale putting down of lego setips, rubber ducks, etc - some of those shots show the photographer has put a lot of effort into the shot, including lighting, dof, etc - sure it makes it harder to connect to the shot but does not show they have not put effort in.
03/03/2010 06:31:37 PM · #21
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by Nuzzer:

When I refer to a shot on DPC being a "snapshot" I'm trying to say that it looks like you set the camera to auto, pointed it at the subject, and entered it on DPC. ie: it doesn't look like you've taken any effort to consider comnposition, lighting etc.

It's not a reflection on the need for a studio but on the effort it looks like you've put into making a good DPC image.

You mean not using any PhotoShop, right?.....8>)


I agree with Nuzzer. Full auto, point then shoot is just not the same as a snapshot. There's no effort in that, and even if you do get lucky, it's "just not it". And in many cases, people buy a dslr, don't have a clue what M, S, A, P, Av, Tv does, just uses the aoutomatic programs and post it on the web, for instance here. Sure, they can lucky as well, but... still not it...
03/03/2010 06:42:19 PM · #22
Originally posted by Nuzzer:

Originally posted by pjotre7:

It is all about the effort and not about the equipment. This shows in the pictures. Great famous shots which we all still love today, were made with the simpelest camera's you can imagine. These photographers would have killed for the options you have today, even in your Nokia or Iphone integrated cameras!
And you have a computer to participate on this website so you are able to crop a picture and do other basic improvements on your "snapshot" with any free software available.
But your uncleaned kitchen as background for your submitted photo has nothing to do with studio or equipment. It has all to do with effort.
Dito with all playmobil and Lego set-ups, rubber ducks and other low life materials.....

I do not think any comments here will influence my personal judgements. I'm 40+ :-)


Mostly well said. I do however disagree with your wholesale putting down of lego setips, rubber ducks, etc - some of those shots show the photographer has put a lot of effort into the shot, including lighting, dof, etc - sure it makes it harder to connect to the shot but does not show they have not put effort in.


Well let's keep it on that I personal do not like puppet setups and for me it is a waste of effort...
For those who practise this voodoo photography : there are other websites who specialize in animations.... :o
03/03/2010 06:45:24 PM · #23
What is this righteous hype about effort? Photographs come to us in all our modes of being, sweaty or cool, intense or dreamy. The critical moment, as far as evaluation is concerned, is in choosing it.
03/03/2010 06:50:29 PM · #24
Originally posted by tnun:

What is this righteous hype about effort? Photographs come to us in all our modes of being, sweaty or cool, intense or dreamy. The critical moment, as far as evaluation is concerned, is in choosing it.


Well, there is some proof (valid for most things in life) that putting in effort improves results....
03/03/2010 07:08:29 PM · #25
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by Jac:

hmmm, show me a journalistic photo that isn't a snapshot please?

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

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Umm....that really isn't an accurate example as that image is the second flag raising.....for the camera....


Duh. That's my point.
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