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03/03/2010 12:35:24 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by Rmac:
It's bouncing around....
Have some nice comments, one from  NikonJebthat was very nice. Thanks Jeb. |
Yeah. Thanks, Jeb. It amazes me that you can be so generous when you're struggling to win just like everyone else.
Message edited by author 2010-03-03 12:42:08. |
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03/03/2010 12:58:05 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by Rmac:
It's bouncing around....
Have some nice comments, one from NikonJebthat was very nice. Thanks Jeb. |
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
Yeah. Thanks, Jeb. It amazes me that you can be so generous when you're struggling to win just like everyone else. |
Maybe I just look at it differently than some do. I love to see what everyone comes up with, and the better the images, the more enjoyable the experience. Winning isn't really what it's all about for me......don't get me wrong, I love it, but I just love the participation. Pretty much everything I do well, I do because of my being here, so really it's fun no matter how I do.
Of course, it's REALLY easy to be all magnanimous after getting a blue for my ratty ol' work boots sitting on the roof of my wife's car! LOL!! I *still* don't get that!
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03/03/2010 01:05:48 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Maybe I just look at it differently than some do. |
Oh. I see. You're NICE.
I'm not. LOL! |
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03/03/2010 01:20:40 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Maybe I just look at it differently than some do. |
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
Oh. I see. You're NICE.
I'm not. LOL! |
Uh huh, RIGHT!
Next you're gonna tell me you don't have a sense of humor.....8>)
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03/03/2010 05:56:05 PM · #80 |
Votes: 86
Views: 154
Avg Vote: 6.5233
I'll take it. |
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03/03/2010 06:25:42 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Votes: 55
Views: 126
Avg Vote: 6.6909
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Views: 185
Avg Vote: 6.6667
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03/03/2010 06:46:43 PM · #82 |
I'm still hovering in a limbo like state, still below the 6's I had in the begining......
Votes: 83
Views: 149
Avg Vote: 5.7711
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03/03/2010 09:06:27 PM · #83 |
Votes: 85
Views: 145
Avg Vote: 4.7765
Comments: 0
My score has been sitting here, sub 5 all week.
Everybody else has comments. So sad. There must be SOMETHING redeeming about my entry.
Okay okay... so I could have gotten the comment about how it DNMC. (don't know if that would have made me feel better or worse). |
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03/03/2010 10:31:54 PM · #84 |
Votes: 90
Views: 169
Avg Vote: 6.6111
Comments: 7
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Up a little from last night, maybe it will continue in the up direction. |
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03/04/2010 01:36:32 PM · #85 |
Happy...
Votes: 94
Views: 172
Avg Vote: 6.4574
Comments: 8
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03/04/2010 01:40:04 PM · #86 |
Doing my share of damage over lunch
You have rated 54 of 125 images (43%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 18 of 125 images (14%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.0000.
As usual, giving better than I'm getting.
Votes: 91
Views: 163
Avg Vote: 5.6703
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03/04/2010 01:50:40 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by ineedauniquename:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
It's a funny thing: *I* had thought that the REASON for the "foreground or background element" clause in the description .... now I'm getting 1's because my framing elements are not enough in front of or behind my subject? Jesus wept! From one level of nit picking to another in one fell swoop...
R. |
Quite ... but I think the challenge strongly implies that the framing element is either significantly in front of or behind the subject. Though given DPCers slightly less than strict interpretation of the challenges in the past (hey lets just take them as guidelines rather than rules) I doubt your photo is deserving of 1s. Personally if its a good photo I generally score it a 4 or 5 if I think its DNMC .... I reserve 1 to 3 for really badly taken shots. |
if the framing element is on the side should be a DNMC!!!!!! |
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03/04/2010 02:00:50 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
It's a funny thing: *I* had thought that the REASON for the "foreground or background element" clause in the description .... now I'm getting 1's because my framing elements are not enough in front of or behind my subject? Jesus wept! From one level of nit picking to another in one fell swoop...
R. |
Originally posted by ineedauniquename:
Quite ... but I think the challenge strongly implies that the framing element is either significantly in front of or behind the subject.Though given DPCers slightly less than strict interpretation of the challenges in the past (hey lets just take them as guidelines rather than rules) I doubt your photo is deserving of 1s. Personally if its a good photo I generally score it a 4 or 5 if I think its DNMC .... I reserve 1 to 3 for really badly taken shots. |
The challenge description.....
Compose your subject so that it is "framed" on at least two sides with either foreground or background elements.
PLEASE tell me which part of this implies: "the framing element is either significantly in front of or behind the subject."
That sounds like a combination of creative interpretation and projection to me.
The description is clear, if you decide that the framing must be "significantly" in front of or behind, then you're imposing a restriction that is not written.
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03/04/2010 02:02:19 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by whiterook:
if the framing element is on the side should be a DNMC!!!!!! |
Really?????
The challenge description.....
Compose your subject so that it is "framed" on at least two sides with either foreground or background elements.
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03/04/2010 02:46:16 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Compose your subject so that it is "framed" on at least two sides with either foreground or background elements.
PLEASE tell me which part of this implies: "the framing element is either significantly in front of or behind the subject."
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I read foreground or background to be an implied. Essentially the element should be (depending of DOF or real distance, that should be optional), at least a distance of sufficient measure to convey a feeling of depth. At least that's how I see it.. I don't see foreground to be 1" away from the subject when the overall depth of the photo is at least 6 feet. Nope. Not foreground or background.
And while I'm writing this I have a very specific photo in mind, actually a very nice photo that I gave a stupid high rating for every reason other then effectiveness at meeting this challenge because of this issue, the photo has a pretty large DOF, it's a killer shot, very creative, good lighting, nice expressions, etc.. The problem is that the main subject is probably less than .25" away from the "frame" element, and in other cases, the frame element is exactly in the same plane.
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03/04/2010 03:21:50 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Compose your subject so that it is "framed" on at least two sides with either foreground or background elements.
PLEASE tell me which part of this implies: "the framing element is either significantly in front of or behind the subject."
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I read foreground or background to be an implied. Essentially the element should be (depending of DOF or real distance, that should be optional), at least a distance of sufficient measure to convey a feeling of depth. At least that's how I see it.. I don't see foreground to be 1" away from the subject when the overall depth of the photo is at least 6 feet. Nope. Not foreground or background.
And while I'm writing this I have a very specific photo in mind, actually a very nice photo that I gave a stupid high rating for every reason other then effectiveness at meeting this challenge because of this issue, the photo has a pretty large DOF, it's a killer shot, very creative, good lighting, nice expressions, etc.. The problem is that the main subject is probably less than .25" away from the "frame" element, and in other cases, the frame element is exactly in the same plane.
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Cory, you might have to adjust mine again..... :-) |
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03/04/2010 03:29:41 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
The problem is that the main subject is probably less than .25" away from the "frame" element, and in other cases, the frame element is exactly in the same plane. |
There is absolutely no possible way you can tell that from a two dimensional rendering.
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03/04/2010 06:43:54 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
The problem is that the main subject is probably less than .25" away from the "frame" element, and in other cases, the frame element is exactly in the same plane. |
There is absolutely no possible way you can tell that from a two dimensional rendering. |
I'm sending a PM to specify which image I'm referring to... Take a look and respond, tell me if you think I can (for certain) tell that the frame element is where I say it is..
Cheers.
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03/04/2010 07:53:14 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by ineedauniquename:
Quite ... but I think the challenge strongly implies that the framing element is either significantly in front of or behind the subject.Though given DPCers slightly less than strict interpretation of the challenges in the past (hey lets just take them as guidelines rather than rules) I doubt your photo is deserving of 1s. Personally if its a good photo I generally score it a 4 or 5 if I think its DNMC .... I reserve 1 to 3 for really badly taken shots. |
The challenge description.....
Compose your subject so that it is "framed" on at least two sides with either foreground or background elements.
PLEASE tell me which part of this implies: "the framing element is either significantly in front of or behind the subject."
That sounds like a combination of creative interpretation and projection to me.
The description is clear, if you decide that the framing must be "significantly" in front of or behind, then you're imposing a restriction that is not written. |
Well, if the frame is in the foreground or background it should NOT be on the same focal plane as the subject IMO. The viewer should be able to ascertain some distance between the frame and the subject for the frame to be considered a foreground or background element. |
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03/04/2010 08:51:54 PM · #95 |
well here is a question for you all....
What if the photo itself only has a DOF of say 4 - 5 inches, and the main subject has a depth of 3 inches? How far in front or behind the subject would the frame have to be to be considered "legal". Also, given such a small set of distances, how can you accurately determine from a 2D image that the "framing" lay behind/ in front, or even mostly behind or mostly infront??
I think this is just all getting blown way out of control. If you think about it, unless both the subject and the frame are EXACTLY the same thickness, one or the other will be mostly behind or in front......I mean if you really want to be picky! =) |
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03/04/2010 09:02:34 PM · #96 |
as expected from a last minute entry...arghhhh!
Votes: 96
Views: 169
Avg Vote: 5.6667
Comments: 1
100-votes check-in
Votes: 100
Views: 175
Avg Vote: 5.6500
Comments: 1
Message edited by author 2010-03-04 23:55:03. |
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03/05/2010 12:37:25 AM · #97 |
100 vote mark over here as well.
Votes: 100
Views: 180
Avg Vote: 5.7100
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03/05/2010 12:41:58 AM · #98 |
Originally posted by ASTONishing:
I think this is just all getting blown way out of control. If you think about it, unless both the subject and the frame are EXACTLY the same thickness, one or the other will be mostly behind or in front. |
Agreed. This has got to be the most absurd hand-wringing I've ever seen over a challenge description. All it means is that the framing element(s) can be anywhere in the scene— in front, behind, whatever. There's nothing to say the subjects can't ALSO be in the foreground or background. You shouldn't need a micrometer and GPS coordinates to figure out if something in the entry is framed by something else. :-/ |
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03/05/2010 04:21:32 AM · #99 |
I missed the 100 mark, so here is the 105 =)
Votes: 105
Views: 185
Avg Vote: 5.8000
Comments: 3
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03/05/2010 04:38:07 AM · #100 |
100ish vote check-in:
Votes: 101
Views: 173
Avg Vote: 5.7624
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