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02/11/2010 06:52:00 PM · #2

Awww, say it ain't so Jorge! Well, this is one time I'm convinced it was simply a mistake.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

02/14/2010 06:37:13 PM · #3

The replacement blue ribbon has also been disqualified for a literal artwork violation. Congrats to

h2 on moving up the ribbon conveyor belt.

02/14/2010 07:01:30 PM · #4

Originally posted by scalvert:

The replacement blue ribbon has also been disqualified for a literal artwork violation. Congrats to h2 on moving up the ribbon conveyor belt.

I'm going to go on record saying I DESPISE the rule that DQ'd the image here. DESPISE it. It's ridiculous and serves no purpose.

glad2badad

DJI Mavic Air 2

Sears 55mm f/1.4 M42

02/14/2010 07:09:09 PM · #5

Originally posted by scalvert:

The replacement blue ribbon has also been disqualified for a literal artwork violation. Congrats to h2 on moving up the ribbon conveyor belt.

Dang! Fooled me. I thought for sure that fire in the background was real!

franktheyank

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

02/14/2010 07:26:03 PM · #6

Now all you have to do is DQ the first 32 remaining finishers and I can have the blue.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

02/14/2010 07:34:46 PM · #7

Originally posted by franktheyank:

Now all you have to do is DQ the first 32 remaining finishers and I can have the blue.

Unfortunately you tested positive for steroids, so.......

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

02/14/2010 07:38:02 PM · #8

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

I DESPISE the rule that DQ'd the image here... It's ridiculous and serves no purpose.

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Dang! Fooled me. I thought for sure that fire in the background was real!

Consecutive posts. ;-)

Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

02/14/2010 07:39:08 PM · #9

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:
I DESPISE the rule that DQ'd the image here... It's ridiculous and serves no purpose.

Originally posted by glad2badad:
Dang! Fooled me. I thought for sure that fire in the background was real!

Consecutive posts. ;-)

he's being sarcastic.

ETA: On the off chance that he isn't, it doesn't matter to me. We try to fool everyone all the time with myriad techniques. This one is just moronic to pick on.

Message edited by author 2010-02-14 19:40:51.

justine

Canon EOS-50D

02/14/2010 08:17:44 PM · #10

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by franktheyank:
Now all you have to do is DQ the first 32 remaining finishers and I can have the blue.

Unfortunately you tested positive for steroids, so.......

I laughed so hard I scared my dog. What a hoot!
Good one!!

obscurity

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX85

Olympus 30mm M.Zuiko Digital ED F3.5 Macro

02/14/2010 08:34:34 PM · #11

Originally posted by franktheyank:

Now all you have to do is DQ the first 32 remaining finishers and I can have the blue.

I agree, then I'll move up to 3rd! It would be my first ribbon. That would go perfect with my new high score for this camera!

glad2badad

DJI Mavic Air 2

Sears 55mm f/1.4 M42

02/14/2010 08:52:42 PM · #12

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:
I DESPISE the rule that DQ'd the image here... It's ridiculous and serves no purpose.

Originally posted by glad2badad:
Dang! Fooled me. I thought for sure that fire in the background was real!

Consecutive posts. ;-)

he's being sarcastic.

ETA: On the off chance that he isn't, it doesn't matter to me. We try to fool everyone all the time with myriad techniques. This one is just moronic to pick on.

Nope, no sarcasm. If I had known it was an artificial background my vote would have been substantially lower for that photo.

vawendy

Sony Alpha 1

Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS

02/14/2010 08:58:52 PM · #13

agreed. There difficulty of taking a picture of something in front of a print out is nothing compared to the difficulty of photographing something in front of a real flame. Absolutely would have changed my vote significantly had I known.

02/14/2010 09:07:06 PM · #14

Originally posted by vawendy:

The reactions like this confuse and sadden me, really. Difficulty. Please. It's results that matter to me, not 'how they got there'.

Ah well, if that's what I'm up against, so be it. I don't have to like it.

sfalice

Canon PowerShot SX60 HS

02/14/2010 09:37:47 PM · #15

Oh, how quickly we forget. Remember

Lydiatoo's fine image?

DQed for photographing a wineglass with a background photograph, also taken by her.
There was a long discussion on The Artwork rule because of her DQ.

Message edited by author 2010-02-14 21:39:37.

Olympus 7-14mm f/4.0 Zuiko Digital Zoom

02/14/2010 09:40:32 PM · #16

Originally posted by sfalice:

Oh, how quickly we forget. Remember Lydiatoo's fine image?

DQed for photographing a wineglass with a background photograph, also taken by her.
There was a long discussion on The Artwork rule because of her DQ.

That discussion is what made me actually begin to rethink my opinions on such matters. To the point where now I wish they'd get rid of the rule that causes such ridiculousness. But I digress.

one2one

Olympus E-5

02/14/2010 09:51:31 PM · #17

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by sfalice:
Oh, how quickly we forget. Remember Lydiatoo's fine image?

DQed for photographing a wineglass with a background photograph, also taken by her.
There was a long discussion on The Artwork rule because of her DQ.

That discussion is what made me actually begin to rethink my opinions on such matters. To the point where now I wish they'd get rid of the rule that causes such ridiculousness. But I digress.

It's a good rule, just hard to implement sometimes; definitely not ridiculous. Frankly I think it's a cheap tactic but it looks so good in some cases that I want to try it but I can't find a good subject or a fitting challenge to do so.

kenskid

Nikon D700

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

02/14/2010 10:02:15 PM · #18

This rule is kind of cooky. Look at the Grafiti challenge. Nearly 1/2 should be a DQ.

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by scalvert:
The replacement blue ribbon has also been disqualified for a literal artwork violation. Congrats to h2 on moving up the ribbon conveyor belt.

I'm going to go on record saying I DESPISE the rule that DQ'd the image here. DESPISE it. It's ridiculous and serves no purpose.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

02/14/2010 10:21:27 PM · #19

Originally posted by kenskid:

This rule is kind of cooky. Look at the Grafiti challenge. Nearly 1/2 should be a DQ.

You might want to read the rules. "You may include images that are clearly recognizable as existing artwork when photographing your entry." Graffiti is clearly recognizable as artwork, and therefore exempt. The voters know exactly what they're judging. That's not true in this case, and many commenters asked about the lighting setup. The voters were primarily judging an existing image (swiped off the internet) as if it were a live scene. Wouldn't we be sharpening the pitchforks if one of our member's images were stolen and used as a main feature to win a photo contest? If only it had been watermarked... ;-)

02/14/2010 10:34:06 PM · #20

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by kenskid:
This rule is kind of cooky. Look at the Grafiti challenge. Nearly 1/2 should be a DQ.

You might want to read the rules. "You may include images that are clearly recognizable as existing artwork when photographing your entry." Graffiti is clearly recognizable as artwork, and therefore exempt. The voters know exactly what they're judging. That's not true in this case, and many commenters asked about the lighting setup. The voters were primarily judging an existing image (swiped off the internet) as if it were a live scene. Wouldn't we be sharpening the pitchforks if one of our member's images were stolen and used as a main feature to win a photo contest? If only it had been watermarked... ;-)

Whether or not an individual photo is using a background image that was swiped (or not) is a separate issue and can be handled as such. Don't be disingenuous by muddying the waters.

The rule is still far too heavy-handed and unreasonable, IMO. The fact that THIS image used a background taken from google images is completely, 100%, beside the point. At least MY point.

klkitchens

Pentax K-1

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

02/14/2010 10:40:39 PM · #21

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Actually agreed... Provided the "artwork" is your own to being with, it's rather silly.

albc28

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

02/14/2010 11:00:31 PM · #22

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by kenskid:
This rule is kind of cooky. Look at the Grafiti challenge. Nearly 1/2 should be a DQ.

You might want to read the rules. "You may include images that are clearly recognizable as existing artwork when photographing your entry." Graffiti is clearly recognizable as artwork, and therefore exempt. The voters know exactly what they're judging. That's not true in this case, and many commenters asked about the lighting setup. The voters were primarily judging an existing image (swiped off the internet) as if it were a live scene. Wouldn't we be sharpening the pitchforks if one of our member's images were stolen and used as a main feature to win a photo contest? If only it had been watermarked... ;-)

Whether or not an individual photo is using a background image that was swiped (or not) is a separate issue and can be handled as such. Don't be disingenuous by muddying the waters.

The rule is still far too heavy-handed and unreasonable, IMO. The fact that THIS image used a background taken from google images is completely, 100%, beside the point. At least MY point.

Wow you guys are so quick to criticize a rule when it's someone or a photograph that you like. Had it been poorly shot no one would care and would probably be for enforcing the rule. I think it is a good rule.

He STOLE a photo and claimed it as his own. I think that is even more of a reason for DQ. We fight so hard here to keep our photos from being stolen and yet you have someone who is stealing photos from the internet to use in as a prime aspect in his photo. K10D...how would you feel it were your photo he had stolen? What if people simply started taken pictures of photos on the site and claiming it as their own? The rule is to prevent the stealing of photos and to make sure that all works are created by you. There's a third reason but I'll save it for my next post.

albc28

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

02/14/2010 11:02:22 PM · #23

Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by sfalice:
Oh, how quickly we forget. Remember Lydiatoo's fine image?

DQed for photographing a wineglass with a background photograph, also taken by her.
There was a long discussion on The Artwork rule because of her DQ.

That discussion is what made me actually begin to rethink my opinions on such matters. To the point where now I wish they'd get rid of the rule that causes such ridiculousness. But I digress.

Actually agreed... Provided the "artwork" is your own to being with, it's rather silly.

I disagree with this statement. You know how we have that rule that you can't combine more than one photo (of different scenes). Well in this photo by using a previous shot photo (even though it's your own artwork) you are basically combining two photos. The background is meant to look like a real dinner setting and the glass is a different scene....we all know that combining two photos is against the rule and this is just a cheat around that rule.