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03/01/2010 01:45:56 PM · #176
I think we may have great examples with Gregory Crewdson.

And Jeff Wall!!

What do you think?

Message edited by author 2010-03-01 14:08:05.
03/01/2010 01:48:25 PM · #177
Originally posted by pedrobop:

We think we may have great examples with Gregory Crewdson.

Yeah, I love his work -- and so easy to emulate! (That's a joke, because he works with a full crew as if on a movie set).
03/01/2010 01:58:22 PM · #178
Originally posted by pedrobop:

We think we may have great examples with Gregory Crewdson.


To me that's pretty borderline work as I define FA for myself. I wouldn't necessarily vote it low BUT it's kinda like he's taking photo's of subjects and not really creating one. Personally, I'm looking for images that are objects on the whole...as a guideline (not a rule). Straight portrayals of anything..whether we're talking about people, flowers, animals etc. would fall flat to my eye. BUT you can all decide for yourselves...

So, the flowers that are posted on the previous page don't work for me either. I'm looking for something more imaginative, camera oriented creativity and less in terms of pre or post production.

Message edited by author 2010-03-01 14:17:57.
03/01/2010 02:09:42 PM · #179
Originally posted by citymars:

Originally posted by pedrobop:

We think we may have great examples with Gregory Crewdson.

Yeah, I love his work -- and so easy to emulate! (That's a joke, because he works with a full crew as if on a movie set).


Because of those great lights? Just guessing..
03/01/2010 02:20:53 PM · #180
is it too simplistic to say that fine art photography is more at achieving the emotion in the shot rather than the technicals?

or am I completely and totally off-base?
03/01/2010 02:29:11 PM · #181
Originally posted by karmat:

is it too simplistic to say that fine art photography is more at achieving the emotion in the shot rather than the technicals?

or am I completely and totally off-base?


I will have more chances on that one, if you'r right. :P
what do you think about my PB for this challenge?
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03/01/2010 02:35:59 PM · #182
There are plenty of technicals involved BUT probably a different set of values. So, where commercial photography might have a set of values that are considered virtuous...clarity/sharpness, accurate colors (like in a car ad), cropping the image so it is identifiable etc. a different set of each, could be applied in this type of work to achieve a different set of goals.

Here, the technicals can be plentiful but might draw more on the viewers imagination.

Message edited by author 2010-03-01 14:40:20.
03/01/2010 02:49:44 PM · #183
I predict that landscapes will dominate the front page of the challenge...& the juried awards too.
03/01/2010 03:23:57 PM · #184
do we have to sign up?
03/01/2010 03:30:33 PM · #185
Originally posted by Hipychik:

do we have to sign up?


No. The jury will be making its choices from amongst all the images entered.

R.
03/01/2010 03:57:23 PM · #186
Originally posted by pawdrix:

There are plenty of technicals involved BUT probably a different set of values. So, where commercial photography might have a set of values that are considered virtuous...clarity/sharpness, accurate colors (like in a car ad), cropping the image so it is identifiable etc. a different set of each, could be applied in this type of work to achieve a different set of goals.

Here, the technicals can be plentiful but might draw more on the viewers imagination.


Okay, that makes sense. What if it was approached with the attitude that "technicals" were optional. If able to be achieved, fine, but if there has to be a choice between emotive and technical, the photographer should err on the side of emotive?
03/01/2010 04:18:48 PM · #187
And could we find a way to remove anyone who has a voting average of 3 or less from being able to participate in the voting process? This would stop all of the trolls from holding fine art to the same obnoxiously high standard they seem to hold every other challenge. I am all for high standards, but some people just seem to think everything sucks.
03/01/2010 04:36:10 PM · #188
Originally posted by karmat:

Originally posted by pawdrix:

There are plenty of technicals involved BUT probably a different set of values. So, where commercial photography might have a set of values that are considered virtuous...clarity/sharpness, accurate colors (like in a car ad), cropping the image so it is identifiable etc. a different set of each, could be applied in this type of work to achieve a different set of goals.

Here, the technicals can be plentiful but might draw more on the viewers imagination.


Okay, that makes sense. What if it was approached with the attitude that "technicals" were optional. If able to be achieved, fine, but if there has to be a choice between emotive and technical, the photographer should err on the side of emotive?


My point is that every images has technicals. Degrees of blur can be used and applied with great control and accuracy, as can degrees of noise or tilts etc. Doing it well and with reason is far harder than taking a sharp shot, imo.

Great artist uses them effectively and with purpose. Some people just chuck them around with no point whatsoever as we see in many Challenges. For example, in a Tilted Angle Challenge many entries have tilts but without any positive or intelligible benefit to the image.

Originally posted by asamite:

... some people just seem to think everything sucks.


I think everything sucks and vote kinda high for some odd reason. Go figure.

Message edited by author 2010-03-01 16:38:43.
03/01/2010 05:02:56 PM · #189
Originally posted by asamite:

And could we find a way to remove anyone who has a voting average of 3 or less from being able to participate in the voting process? This would stop all of the trolls from holding fine art to the same obnoxiously high standard they seem to hold every other challenge. I am all for high standards, but some people just seem to think everything sucks.


Well, this is a member's challenge, so only the paid members are voting, which helps a little in that regard. I think....

R.
03/01/2010 05:13:30 PM · #190
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Hipychik:

do we have to sign up?


No. The jury will be making its choices from amongst all the images entered.

R.


Will this be done during voting or after? I hope it's during.
03/01/2010 05:20:06 PM · #191
Originally posted by asamite:

And could we find a way to remove anyone who has a voting average of 3 or less from being able to participate in the voting process? This would stop all of the trolls from holding fine art to the same obnoxiously high standard they seem to hold every other challenge. I am all for high standards, but some people just seem to think everything sucks.


Most of the snobs will be on the judging panel, so I don't think they're voting....
03/01/2010 05:31:06 PM · #192
Originally posted by asamite:

And could we find a way to remove anyone who has a voting average of 3 or less from being able to participate in the voting process? This would stop all of the trolls from holding fine art to the same obnoxiously high standard they seem to hold every other challenge. I am all for high standards, but some people just seem to think everything sucks.


What if the reason for such a low average given is because they vote down DPC friendly images and vote the artsy stuff high?
03/01/2010 05:32:39 PM · #193
Originally posted by Jac:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Hipychik:

do we have to sign up?


No. The jury will be making its choices from amongst all the images entered.

R.


Will this be done during voting or after? I hope it's during.


Yup, during. We will be announcing our "winners" more or less concurrently with the official ribbon winners, though I suspect we may hold off for a day so as not to be seen as stealing the limelight from the popular vote. We haven't discussed that, but I'm sure we will :-) The main point is, we will finish our ranking before rollover, so it will be completely anonymous judging.

R.
03/02/2010 01:45:17 PM · #194
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I'm having a hard time thinking about this challenge. Lots of fighting going back and forth in my head(which by the way is still on percocet and valium.).
Maybe I'm just over thinking it.
03/02/2010 01:59:29 PM · #195
Nah. I'm overthinking it too. Probably won't enter, purely from exhaustion of trying to be honest with myself & somehow second-guess the trolls. Can't be done.
03/02/2010 02:07:22 PM · #196
Originally posted by pixelpig:

Nah. I'm overthinking it too. Probably won't enter, purely from exhaustion of trying to be honest with myself & somehow second-guess the trolls. Can't be done.


C'mon, c'mon! This isn't about second-guessing the trolls, or about trying to please anybody but yourself. Just reach inside of YOU and drag something out, without even thinking about how it'll score and/or who it'll appeal to.

It's not as hard as it sounds, and it feels good when you're finished :-)

R.
03/02/2010 02:15:04 PM · #197
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Nah. I'm overthinking it too. Probably won't enter, purely from exhaustion of trying to be honest with myself & somehow second-guess the trolls. Can't be done.


C'mon, c'mon! This isn't about second-guessing the trolls, or about trying to please anybody but yourself. Just reach inside of YOU and drag something out, without even thinking about how it'll score and/or who it'll appeal to.

It's not as hard as it sounds, and it feels good when you're finished :-)

R.


Well if it's going to feel good when I'm finished, I'm in! :P
03/02/2010 02:40:17 PM · #198
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by asamite:

And could we find a way to remove anyone who has a voting average of 3 or less from being able to participate in the voting process? This would stop all of the trolls from holding fine art to the same obnoxiously high standard they seem to hold every other challenge. I am all for high standards, but some people just seem to think everything sucks.


Most of the snobs will be on the judging panel, so I don't think they're voting....


Sartor Resartus?
03/02/2010 02:41:54 PM · #199
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Nah. I'm overthinking it too. Probably won't enter, purely from exhaustion of trying to be honest with myself & somehow second-guess the trolls. Can't be done.


C'mon, c'mon! This isn't about second-guessing the trolls, or about trying to please anybody but yourself. Just reach inside of YOU and drag something out, without even thinking about how it'll score and/or who it'll appeal to.

It's not as hard as it sounds, and it feels good when you're finished :-)

R.


Exactly what I did for this challenge... I have no idea how my image will do (I hope well, at least if people like abstract stuff), but I love my image, and I really love that I used a $35 camera to shoot it. (terrible little P&S, Kodak Easyshare ZD710.. Takes about 2 pictures per minute.. wonderful noise, 10x zoom to make everything look terrible.. like I said, awesome!)
03/02/2010 04:30:51 PM · #200
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by pixelpig:

Nah. I'm overthinking it too. Probably won't enter, purely from exhaustion of trying to be honest with myself & somehow second-guess the trolls. Can't be done.


C'mon, c'mon! This isn't about second-guessing the trolls, or about trying to please anybody but yourself. Just reach inside of YOU and drag something out, without even thinking about how it'll score and/or who it'll appeal to.

It's not as hard as it sounds, and it feels good when you're finished :-)

R.


Thanks for the encouragement. Of course you are right. And history is replete with misunderstood artists, some of whom are remembered to this day. However I am not sure how I feel about offering up the fruits of my genius to the righteous voters to be smited with 1's. Fun for them, not so much fun for me. My average vote received is going steadily down, the longer I stay here, it's at 4.8 now. Pieu! Here are 3 of my favorites--look like FA to you?

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[eta] The juried part of it is interesting, though. Interesting enough to overcome my reluctance, I think.

Message edited by author 2010-03-02 17:37:17.
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