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02/07/2010 09:16:34 AM · #126
Truth be told, I understand exactly what Jeb is talking about, unfortunately there are few books that have taken me there.
02/07/2010 09:44:11 AM · #127
Originally posted by bspurgeon:

I very much like image grain, and I like Clive's above example.

I've yet to have a grainy image go well with the voters. Often comments wonder if it was purposeful or just a noisy image.

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Lately I've been adding grain in PP to certain images if I think it brings out a mood, an edge or an old time effect(aging) but try to be careful not to use it gratuitously. I've mentioned Brett Walker a bunch of times here on DPC and the way he uses it showed me quite a bit from the difference in shots where he layed it on heavy compared to those without.

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It has a keen effect on detail without without removing it. I suppose it's one of the by products innate to film that became a best friend of the art photographer. A really great tool. Sadly, it's not well appreciated or understood here and regardless of it's affect it's become too closely related to cheap (P&S) cameras.

Ben-Serving grain in a Challenge is like offering Broccoli to Broccoli haters or seafood to seafood haters. No way it's gonna fly no matter how well it's prepared.

Message edited by author 2010-02-07 12:23:45.
02/07/2010 11:21:12 AM · #128
My attempt

Steve-Grain

Message edited by author 2010-02-07 11:22:02.
02/07/2010 11:44:20 AM · #129
Originally posted by roby21112:

My attempt

Steve-Grain


Steve needs grain, LOL

he needs the fiber...
02/07/2010 12:06:24 PM · #130
Originally posted by posthumous:



he needs the fiber...


Charter Member - Metamucil Fan Club

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Two can play at that game...
02/07/2010 12:31:09 PM · #131
LOL!
02/07/2010 05:26:49 PM · #132
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02/07/2010 07:29:43 PM · #133
Originally posted by NikonJeb:


To me, the mark of a great writer is someone who can engage me to a point where I lose track of everything else but the story I'm embroiled in......I want to be late for whatever, and not care 'cause I just have to read just that little bit more.

Originally posted by pawdrix:

Yeah, but did you have to say " grab me, suck me in, and don't let me go 'til you've gone and had your way with me......"?

Well.....yeah....

I get like that with all kinds of things.....wrapped up in an engine rebuild, lost in the woods/city looking, editing the "perfect" shot.....

Haven't you ever known anyone really obsessive before????......8>)
Originally posted by pawdrix:

Kinda freaked me out.

So you just don't get that deep into it?
02/07/2010 08:03:05 PM · #134
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02/15/2010 03:09:47 PM · #135
Just a reminder...
02/15/2010 03:20:59 PM · #136
We're keeping it alive behind the scenes. Have faith. If we all Believe, it will happen :-)

R.
02/15/2010 03:59:14 PM · #137
I'd probably go in with an addition to my orchids painted with light:

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02/20/2010 05:29:00 PM · #138
Originally posted by pawdrix:

Fine Art Photography Challenge Take some risks this week and present a subject in a unique and imaginative way, using the various techniques commonly associated with "Fine Art Photography".

I think No Commercial Potential, is the key and hopefully posthumous will have tough time choosing Ribbons if people do it right...

Take a giant step away from the norm and all the rules.


I like this idea for a Challenge. Difficult to describe or reference it, maybe 'Work of Art' Challenge? Either way, I like it (*including because it is something new to try (challenge)).

edit: tact*

Message edited by author 2010-02-20 18:31:53.
02/21/2010 09:35:44 AM · #139
I am kind of looking forward to this. The idea of many of us shooting, and processing to step outside our comfort zone appeals to me. I wonked this shot from yesterday 'cause I liked the light and the whole gritty tone of it. It was high ISO/underexposed in the first place, so I just kept going with it....

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I liked the angle of the flash, the lens hood, the crook of the elbow, the backwards hat, and that crinkle around the eye as he's concentrating.....

It just works for me......8>)

What chu t'ink????
02/21/2010 09:44:24 AM · #140
Hope this is proclaimed a real challenge soon. I'm in a mood to do this.
02/21/2010 09:50:28 AM · #141
Originally posted by Jac:

Hope this is proclaimed a real challenge soon. I'm in a mood to do this.


A lot of us are :-)

R.
02/21/2010 10:00:07 AM · #142
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Jac:

Hope this is proclaimed a real challenge soon. I'm in a mood to do this.


A lot of us are :-)

R.


Maybe tonight? We can only hope.
02/21/2010 10:00:30 AM · #143
Originally posted by NikonJeb:



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What chu t'ink????


To me it (the FA concept)goes well beyond a subject and hitting it with blur, grain, or a B&W treatment etc. As I define it for myself, I would look for imagery that uses the camera itself, in an imaginative way or that communicates something in an imaginative way. If it's a feeling, an emotion, a dream, a message...the image should call on the viewer.

The camera has the ability to show us things realistically, true to life, honest reproductions, like the macro's and sharp images of animals etc. which isn't all that artistic, if you think about it. Even if you played with the colors in PS and applied the rule of thirds, added vignetting etc., not very imaginative, I'd say. Create something with the camera. Don't photograph something...create something.

So, if you have reality on one side...

Realistic use of the camera <---------------------> Imaginative use of the camera

I would drive to the right side BUT try to use the techniques in-camera or PP in a meaningful way. IMO there should be a purpose to using techniques. Throwing them around without meaning doesn't carry much weight.

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These aren't pictures of subjects but in their entirety, they become objects unto themselves.

I think Bear would disagree with me here...which is perfectly cool but I don't consider this image also by AJHopp to be Fine Art Photography...

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It's certainly Art and you could certainly find it in a Gallery, brick and mortar or online. This particular image makes an attempt to look like an old Dutch Master (Vermeer... Golden Age maybe?), it's beautiful and the lighting is amazing but IMO not that imaginative in terms of camera use...which is a big thing for me. DeSoussa's image posted before, falls into the same category for me. Very artistic...beautiful, Gallery worthy without question BUT not FA Photography, IMHO. Again you all can define this for yourselves. I'm just putting up some of my thoughts.

Message edited by author 2010-02-21 13:52:57.
02/21/2010 10:20:51 AM · #144
Originally posted by pawdrix:

To me it (the FA concept)goes well beyond a subject and hitting it with blur, grain, or a B&W treatment etc. As I define it for myself, I would look for imagery that uses the camera itself, in an imaginative way or that communicates something in an imaginative way. If it's a feeling, an emotion, a dream, a message...the image should call on the viewer.

The camera has the ability to show us things realistically, true to life, honest reproductions, like the macro's and sharp images of animals etc. which isn't all that artistic, if you think about it. Even if you played with the colors in PS and applied the rule of thirds, added vignetting etc., not very imaginative, I'd say. Create something with the camera. Don't photograph something...create something.

Dude, why the heck do you have to be so far away? I can't take any of your classes 'cause the commute'd be a b*tch! LOL!!!

I will prolly pretty much suck in the FA challenge, but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna try, and look at the entries closely during voting/commenting.

Though I have a reasonable eye for some things, I have to say that I'm really not a creative guy. It's frustrating, but it is what it is.

Question is.....can I learn to be??????
02/21/2010 10:44:07 AM · #145
Originally posted by NikonJeb:



Question is.....can I learn to be??????


I'm sure I will suck at it too, fwiw.

I don't know if you can learn it but I do think this type of stuff needs to flow form within for it to be good. I suppose you really need to have something to say because if you don't, it will all seem contrived or forced.

Whether you're looking at ZZ's work, AJHopps or the amazing images in this link you can sense their genuine honesty.

Message edited by author 2010-02-21 12:15:27.
02/21/2010 10:48:14 AM · #146
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Question is.....can I learn to be??????

Originally posted by pawdrix:

I suppose you really need to have something to say because if you don't, it will all seem contrived or forced.

I'm screwed! LOL!!!
02/21/2010 11:29:13 AM · #147
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Question is.....can I learn to be??????

Originally posted by pawdrix:

I suppose you really need to have something to say because if you don't, it will all seem contrived or forced.

I'm screwed! LOL!!!


I personally believe that such learning is possible. I also believe that you have something to say.
02/21/2010 11:43:32 AM · #148
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Question is.....can I learn to be??????

Originally posted by pawdrix:

I suppose you really need to have something to say because if you don't, it will all seem contrived or forced.

I'm screwed! LOL!!!


I personally believe that such learning is possible. I also believe that you have something to say.


Second that, with one modification; I don't think it's as much a matter of learning as it of *un*learning. I think to be an an artist means learning to let go of filters and see with an open eye. "Not form rock, not object rock, but the light that *is* the rock..." is one example of this sort of approach. It's a quote from Wynn Bullock.

R.
02/21/2010 11:51:52 AM · #149
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Question is.....can I learn to be??????

Originally posted by pawdrix:

I suppose you really need to have something to say because if you don't, it will all seem contrived or forced.

I'm screwed! LOL!!!


I personally believe that such learning is possible. I also believe that you have something to say.


I remember debating this topic a few decades ago, on another continent, with artists, writers and curators. The camps were hopelessly split on this one, with convictions on both sides. My own take is, that, yes, of course, much is possible, when there is a need (as opposed to a desire, a wish), when we are driven and hungry.

Motivations can be diverse, but when all faculties are involved, something inevitably gives.
Then there are muses to contend with, too. Fickle girls they are, though...
02/21/2010 11:57:56 AM · #150
I think there are certainly ways to access creativity a little easier. To let it flow better. There are a whole bunch of interesting techniques when it comes to creative writing that really help i find and those can certainly be applied to photography. Concepts such as Psychogeography and the 'Dérive' i find hugely helpful and i often spend a couple of hours going off on a 'drift' with or without the camera. It's a way of communicating with your environment in a fuller way, of having a conversation with the city or country. I might start by jumping on a train and going to a random station i haven't been to before and getting lost. Maybe i'll choose a direction to go in by the toss of a coin, and then keep walking and looking and listening. I really treat it as a conversation with the environment and everything from bits of graffitti, snippets of overheard conversation, found items etc will dictate which direction i go in, what mood or direction any writing or photography i am creating will take me. There are quite a lot of techniques like that i play around with and i feel they all help me become more creative as a whole.
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