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02/01/2010 02:33:34 PM · #76
Originally posted by tnun:

Originally posted by youngnova:

Originally posted by tnun:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Fine Art Photography is the title with no description.


yes


Another yes to this one...


and there we have it


Fine
02/01/2010 02:38:54 PM · #77
Originally posted by LevT:

great suggestion Steve. would be very interesting to see how this oxymoronic excersize (populace judging a fine art competition) plays out.

BTW, recently finished Spider Awards photo competition gives a glimpse of a modern fine art photography world (only black and white, though): link


IMO, a great # of the images posted in the Spider Awards link above would do quite well on DPC, espcecially under a FA titled challenge. Lots of really thoughtful images...
02/01/2010 02:45:30 PM · #78
I liked the idea from the start, but Mark's idea adds yet another interesting dimention to the thought.
02/01/2010 02:48:58 PM · #79
Originally posted by mpeters:

Originally posted by LevT:

great suggestion Steve. would be very interesting to see how this oxymoronic excersize (populace judging a fine art competition) plays out.

BTW, recently finished Spider Awards photo competition gives a glimpse of a modern fine art photography world (only black and white, though): link


IMO, a great # of the images posted in the Spider Awards link above would do quite well on DPC, espcecially under a FA titled challenge. Lots of really thoughtful images...


' . substr('//www.thespiderawards.com/utilities/magicimage.php?img=/var/www/html/spiders_uploads/001-p-195105-bridge_to_nowhere.jpg&img_size=325', strrpos('//www.thespiderawards.com/utilities/magicimage.php?img=/var/www/html/spiders_uploads/001-p-195105-bridge_to_nowhere.jpg&img_size=325', '/') + 1) . '

Geez that's some really great stuff...

Now, I'm truly inspired.

Message edited by author 2010-02-02 08:28:19.
02/01/2010 02:53:18 PM · #80
Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by mpeters:

Originally posted by LevT:

great suggestion Steve. would be very interesting to see how this oxymoronic excersize (populace judging a fine art competition) plays out.

BTW, recently finished Spider Awards photo competition gives a glimpse of a modern fine art photography world (only black and white, though): link


IMO, a great # of the images posted in the Spider Awards link above would do quite well on DPC, espcecially under a FA titled challenge. Lots of really thoughtful images...


' . substr('//www.thespiderawards.com/utilities/magicimage.php?img=/var/www/html/spiders_uploads/001-p-195105-bridge_to_nowhere.jpg&img_size=325', strrpos('//www.thespiderawards.com/utilities/magicimage.php?img=/var/www/html/spiders_uploads/001-p-195105-bridge_to_nowhere.jpg&img_size=325', '/') + 1) . '

Geez that's some really great stuff...

Now, I'm really inspired.


That looks like a Susan Burnstine photograph to me. Another of my favourite photographers. Very inspiring.

Count me along with the Yeas for a FA challenge.
02/01/2010 03:02:47 PM · #81
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It's too soft. The man should be entering the frame, not leaving it. Why B&W? Seems to tilt. Try a deeper DOF.

Hehe, just joking. What a cool photo.
02/01/2010 05:05:39 PM · #82
i'LL BET 5 INTERNET DOLLARS THIS IS sUNDAY'S CHALLENGE.

sCREW cAPSLOCK!! GRRR
02/01/2010 11:21:52 PM · #83
Originally posted by yanko:

Can my cat enter a photo in this challenge? Does art need an artist?


The answer to both questions is no.

We will be having a separate challenge for photos taken by our pets.
02/01/2010 11:25:06 PM · #84
Not fair. I find a lot of cats enter my photos when I am not looking.
02/02/2010 05:24:17 AM · #85
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by mpeters:

Originally posted by LevT:

great suggestion Steve. would be very interesting to see how this oxymoronic excersize (populace judging a fine art competition) plays out.

BTW, recently finished Spider Awards photo competition gives a glimpse of a modern fine art photography world (only black and white, though): link


IMO, a great # of the images posted in the Spider Awards link above would do quite well on DPC, espcecially under a FA titled challenge. Lots of really thoughtful images...


' . substr('//www.thespiderawards.com/utilities/magicimage.php?img=/var/www/html/spiders_uploads/001-p-195105-bridge_to_nowhere.jpg&img_size=325', strrpos('//www.thespiderawards.com/utilities/magicimage.php?img=/var/www/html/spiders_uploads/001-p-195105-bridge_to_nowhere.jpg&img_size=325', '/') + 1) . '

Geez that's some really great stuff...

Now, I'm really inspired.


That looks like a Susan Burnstine photograph to me. Another of my favourite photographers. Very inspiring.

Count me along with the Yeas for a FA challenge.


Wow! She is good!
02/02/2010 05:34:49 AM · #86
Originally posted by zeuszen:

Originally posted by tnun:

Originally posted by youngnova:

Originally posted by tnun:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Fine Art Photography is the title with no description.


yes


Another yes to this one...


and there we have it


Fine


So does that mean there's no description?

I like zeuszen's:

Originally posted by zeuszen:


This Temple is Not for Sale
Make a contribution to contemporary art by submitting a photograph that is not "of" or "about" something but an object in its own right.
02/02/2010 07:35:34 AM · #87
Originally posted by mycelium:

So does that mean there's no description?

I like zeuszen's:

Originally posted by zeuszen:


This Temple is Not for Sale
Make a contribution to contemporary art by submitting a photograph that is not "of" or "about" something but an object in its own right.


I assume if the SC go with it, it would be their call?

I like Zeus' description as well but it might be a little too cryptic. I'm digging the general point about creating a subject/object and not merely photographing one. I'm keeping that one in my pocket, wherever I go.

Fine Art Photography works, with or without a description. Don't care, just for the whammy of it, either way. There's no real way to get it perfect and it does capture the sentiment...I'm sure. Besides if FA is a category for the honorable folks over at The Spider Awards...it should be good enough and workable for DPC, too. Unless there's something wrong with us? It would be sad if we couldn't get our heads around such a widely accepted heading. DPC's not a site for remedial learning so, why dance around something commonly known or feel the need to dumb the topic down? Don't over think it. Let it roll...

Originally posted by posthumous:

For the record, I would love a "This Temple Is Not For Sale" challenge. I like imagining a universe where dpc would hold such a challenge. The wonder of it is that such a universe is only 1 and a half inches to the left of this one.


Damn! Now it's even more cryptic. FA seems so simplistic. ;)

Message edited by author 2010-02-02 12:25:26.
02/02/2010 08:22:06 AM · #88
Cats

You just have to browse through ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' cgino port to see some outstanding non commercial photos of cats.
02/02/2010 09:15:43 AM · #89
For the record, I would love a "This Temple Is Not For Sale" challenge. I like imagining a universe where dpc would hold such a challenge. The wonder of it is that such a universe is only 1 and a half inches to the left of this one.
02/02/2010 09:20:36 AM · #90
I've just been reading in an essay a bit about the Russian Formalist Victor Chklovsky and this caught my eye...

For Chklovsky every artistic expression is built upon a process of 'defamiliarization' -- an object can be in front of us, we know it but we do not see it because we rely on an automatic perception. For the Russian critic, art removes the object from the automatism of perception, and the process of art includes the lengthening of perception which is itself an aesthetic end. That is why the form must be made more obscure

I like that definition of art (or FA). Not saying we use it or similar in the challenge, mind. I agree with others that that should be kept blank and open.

il faut obscurcir la forme

Message edited by author 2010-02-02 09:23:22.
02/02/2010 09:24:18 AM · #91
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

I've just been reading in an essay a bit about the Russian Formalist Victor Chklovsky and this caught my eye...

For Chklovsky every artistic expression is built upon a process of 'defamiliarization' -- an object can be in front of us, we know it but we do not see it because we rely on an automatic perception. For the Russian critic, art removes the object from the automatism of perception, and the process of art includes the lengthening of perception which is itself an aesthetic end. That is why the form must be made more obscure

I like that definition of art (or FA). Not saying we use it or similar in the challenge, mind. I agree with others that that should be kept blank and open.

il faut obscurcir la forme


That's one of my favorite terms! I'd love to have a "defamiliarization" challenge and then a "negative capability" challenge!
02/02/2010 12:06:36 PM · #92
I’m always delighted by threads like this one. Even though I rarely, if ever post to them, they make me think and explore.

I wandered, unsuccessfully, around the Internet looking for an easy to quote piece on Rauschenberg’s erasure of deKooning’s Chair drawing (Where Rauschenberg erased and erased, and eventually took the drawing down to its essence: a piece of paper. I wanted to use it as a point of discussion for obscuring the form of art.

Having given up on that one, I think another very simplistic way to describe Fine Art is that it can be pure Interpretation, rather than Illustration.

02/02/2010 12:40:08 PM · #93
Originally posted by sfalice:

... a point of discussion for obscuring the form of art...


The premise: read my comment beneath this image:
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02/02/2010 12:44:50 PM · #94
Originally posted by sfalice:

...I wandered, unsuccessfully, around the Internet looking for an easy to quote piece on Rauschenberg’s erasure of deKooning’s Chair drawing (Where Rauschenberg erased and erased, and eventually took the drawing down to its essence: a piece of paper....


Here it is.
02/02/2010 01:18:14 PM · #95
Originally posted by sfalice:

I think another very simplistic way to describe Fine Art is that it can be pure Interpretation, rather than Illustration.


In trying to frame this whole thing for others...or truthfully, myself in the end I'm discovering quite a lot. As I was looking at the top winners or usual Top 20 type of work, the word "encyclopedic" jumped to mind as opposed to more poetic photographic renderings of...things, whatever. Simply triggering the imagination might be a modest goal in this exercise as opposed to serving up realism.

From ZZ comments on the image posted - "Wölfflin points out that the linear and closed modes of presentation are given more to facts than to impressions, and to the fixed and explicit, rather than to the moving and metaphorical… "

It was great to hear Rauschenberg end that piece with the words "mmm...it's poetry"

Message edited by author 2010-02-02 13:20:36.
02/02/2010 01:26:50 PM · #96
I've always liked this quote:

Trust that little voice in your head that says "Wouldn't it be interesting if..."; And then do it.

Duane Michals


I agree, tapping the imagination would be a great goal for this.

It would also be nice if people didn't go out and search for a "fine art" image to mimic for this challenge. It seems to happen in so many challenges, and to instead just trust their own inklings.

Message edited by author 2010-02-02 13:27:34.
02/02/2010 01:29:44 PM · #97
' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' zeuszen (and ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_N.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Pawdrix too), your references will keep my head spinning for another day or two.
Thanks.
I did enjoy ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21.gif', '/') + 1) . ' Bassbone's comment under your image, about which he said: 'More a feeling than a photo".
02/02/2010 04:07:35 PM · #98
Originally posted by JulietNN:

Cats

You just have to browse through ' . substr('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', strrpos('//www.dpchallenge.com/images/user_icon/21_F.gif', '/') + 1) . ' cgino port to see some outstanding non commercial photos of cats.


' . substr('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/60000-64999/63398/120/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_849346.jpg', strrpos('//images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/60000-64999/63398/120/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_849346.jpg', '/') + 1) . '
02/02/2010 04:22:26 PM · #99
Originally posted by sfalice:

I think another very simplistic way to describe Fine Art is that it can be pure Interpretation, rather than Illustration.

Originally posted by pawdrix:

In trying to frame this whole thing for others...or truthfully, myself in the end I'm discovering quite a lot. As I was looking at the top winners or usual Top 20 type of work, the word "encyclopedic" jumped to mind as opposed to more poetic photographic renderings of...things, whatever. Simply triggering the imagination might be a modest goal in this exercise as opposed to serving up realism.

From ZZ comments on the image posted - "Wölfflin points out that the linear and closed modes of presentation are given more to facts than to impressions, and to the fixed and explicit, rather than to the moving and metaphorical… "

It was great to hear Rauschenberg end that piece with the words "mmm...it's poetry"


I liked this comment by Karma on the image.....

"There are those photographers that can record events as they happen. Those slightly better will capture the emotion that goes with the event. Still others can preserve joy, happiness, bliss without a human subject. The rarest of photographers can create an image that illustrates balance with despondency, angst and confusion. This image is the latter.

OR

you have a brand new camera and don't have clue how to work it."

It's taken me a while to accept that there are some kinds of expression that I just don't get.

I can stare at it, turn it sideways, or move the whole way back against the far wall to look at it, and still........nothing.

What I have learned is that doesn't make it bad, it's just a statement in a language I don't know. Maybe later......

I do know that I have been become more "linguistically skilled" in the many different ways of making a statement with imagery than I was when I got here.....I have even managed to incorporate some of what I've learned into my own work.

If only people were more understanding of votes, and comments from those of us who don't get it. I make it a point to state that when I come across and image that I don't understand. Sometimes, I even remember to go back and look for a description.

Sometimes though, even that doesn't help this viewer! LOL!!!

02/03/2010 12:27:19 PM · #100
Jeb-I think what most people "don't get" is that not every image has to be about something literal or an "encyclopedic" rendering of a subject. I'd bet if you saw ZZ's image taking up and entire wall in a Museum...10 feet on the long side it might evoke a simple feeling...or wash over you in a way. The internet absolutely robs the artist and viewer of that power...which is a crime since things need now, to be made for a compact viewing/monitor experience. I won't venture to interpret the image for you but I bet if you or anyone invests the time in something there might be a benefit...that can't be put into words. We've all seen people in Museums sit and stare at a single picture for hours...what's that all about? Sometimes the images reveals or moves something over time...???

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Is the image above about the tree branches or is it about a mood and the cool soothing colors? You can almost read the comments calling for a rejection saying "I wish there was more detail in the buildings...I don't know what to make of this..." But to the artists intent, detail would have killed the message OR mood in this case...correct?

Looking at images on the internet I'm astounded by how many people are abbsorbed by hyper sharp detail...as if it's some kind of "revelation". I have 20/20 vision. I'm up to my ears in detail so, in terms of photography, art I find I'm craving something different. Bugs eyes, feather details, cows noses, bursting balloons are about as exciting to me as Pizza, these days. Go to SmugMug and Search "Eagles" and you'll see anybody...thousands of folks can take a sharp shot of them with minimal practice. Producing a feeling is a real Challenge and more worthy of all the fancy equipment we buy, these days...IMHO.

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