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02/01/2010 11:24:51 AM · #51
Been tossing the idea of fine art-ness around for some hours now and am leaning towards the idea that the term has become an antiquated label...the anti-craft term for those that want to elevate their own work somehow? If we are to pick terms/labels to use, I like non-traditional, uncommon, adventurous, progressive, inspired much more than "fine art" etc...but that may just be me...maybe not...

02/01/2010 11:48:24 AM · #52
Wikipedia's entry illustrates the problem of defining fine art photography. They offer multiple definitions and cite sources that further muddy the waters, but offer no definitive replacement term.

Message edited by author 2010-02-01 11:49:07.
02/01/2010 11:53:10 AM · #53
Oddly, I vote no. Why? Everyone will spend an inordinate amount of time arguing about what Fine Art Photography is, and a landscape will win anyway.

That, and I'm in a crabby mood.
02/01/2010 11:56:12 AM · #54
Originally posted by Melethia:

Oddly, I vote no. Why? Everyone will spend an inordinate amount of time arguing about what Fine Art Photography is, and a landscape will win anyway. ....

Haha, so true. I hope you don't mind that your crabbiness made me smile.
02/01/2010 12:00:13 PM · #55
Originally posted by citymars:

Wikipedia's entry illustrates the problem of defining fine art photography. They offer multiple definitions and cite sources that further muddy the waters, but offer no definitive replacement term.


I agree with all of the last 3 posts (eta: except Debs lolol). I chose FA Photography for lack of anything better and I still can't think of anything better that doesn't open up the flood gates and pretty much, includes everything under the sun.

I agree with you all but am willing to roll the dice with the term.

"non-traditional, uncommon, adventurous, progressive, inspired..." are all good but don't really drive the point anywhere direct either. For example, I said "Take some risks this week and present a subject in a unique way..." which I like but still might not be understood by many.

I'd hope if there's 150 entries and somewhere around 225 votes there will be enough people that put in the effort to learn, paired with those who have some clear idea where FA generally stands to level things out in the end. Enough so, where we don't have an "eye-candy" winner, one would hope. I believe the voters likes and dislikes will be spread far and wide amongst the entries without much concentration on any particular images although a few images will undoubtedly garner a slight majority. Who knows...?

I'll bet people would stare and think about the images for a few seconds longer in this Challenge which would be a great victory in itself...

Message edited by author 2010-02-01 12:14:24.
02/01/2010 12:29:11 PM · #56
Originally posted by pawdrix:

There are techniques and a certain look that is very closely associated with FA Photography


yuck. art is not a look. art is a way of looking.
02/01/2010 12:33:16 PM · #57
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by pawdrix:

There are techniques and a certain look that is very closely associated with FA Photography


yuck. art is not a look. art is a way of looking.


Ok..ok..I get it.

Let's stick to Bubbles and Hotness.
02/01/2010 12:38:30 PM · #58
Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by pawdrix:

There are techniques and a certain look that is very closely associated with FA Photography


yuck. art is not a look. art is a way of looking.


Ok..ok..I get it.

Let's stick to Bubbles and Hotness.


Ah, he's just paraphrasing Avedon: "The art of seeing is the beginning of art."

R.
02/01/2010 12:38:38 PM · #59
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by pawdrix:

There are techniques and a certain look that is very closely associated with FA Photography


yuck. art is not a look. art is a way of looking.


actually, I think art is a way of feeling.
02/01/2010 12:40:13 PM · #60
Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by pawdrix:

There are techniques and a certain look that is very closely associated with FA Photography


yuck. art is not a look. art is a way of looking.


Ok..ok..I get it.

Let's stick to Bubbles and Hotness.


Don't give up. I think it's the words you're getting bogged down in. You're looking for a specific style, but I don't think FA really fits what you're looking for.
02/01/2010 12:47:05 PM · #61
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by pawdrix:

There are techniques and a certain look that is very closely associated with FA Photography


yuck. art is not a look. art is a way of looking.


Ok..ok..I get it.

Let's stick to Bubbles and Hotness.


Ah, he's just paraphrasing Avedon: "The art of seeing is the beginning of art."

R.


actually I'm stealing from John Berger, Ways of Seeing.
02/01/2010 12:51:41 PM · #62
Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by pawdrix:

There are techniques and a certain look that is very closely associated with FA Photography


yuck. art is not a look. art is a way of looking.


Ok..ok..I get it.

Let's stick to Bubbles and Hotness.


Don't give up. I think it's the words you're getting bogged down in. You're looking for a specific style, but I don't think FA really fits what you're looking for.


How about Artistic Interpretation?
02/01/2010 12:59:32 PM · #63
Originally posted by alans_world:

Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by pawdrix:

There are techniques and a certain look that is very closely associated with FA Photography


yuck. art is not a look. art is a way of looking.


Ok..ok..I get it.

Let's stick to Bubbles and Hotness.


Don't give up. I think it's the words you're getting bogged down in. You're looking for a specific style, but I don't think FA really fits what you're looking for.


How about Artistic Interpretation?

Artistic Intent
02/01/2010 01:03:50 PM · #64
Originally posted by posthumous:

...actually I'm stealing from John Berger, Ways of Seeing.


Jejeje™

R.
02/01/2010 01:05:34 PM · #65
this discussion is making a no-lose proposition sound like a no-win proposition. Who cares if different people interpret "fine art" differently? It'll still be a great challenge with a great variety of photographs.
02/01/2010 01:08:43 PM · #66
Originally posted by posthumous:

this discussion is making a no-lose proposition sound like a no-win proposition. Who cares if different people interpret "fine art" differently? It'll still be a great challenge with a great variety of photographs.


100% agree. But I think Steve would agree that the discussion itself is an integral part of the process. Whenever you get people who usually don't discussing "art" and what it is, that's a definite plus, even if their various interpretations may seem borderline ludicrous. It all depends on where you're at, I think :-)

R.
02/01/2010 01:11:14 PM · #67
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

even if their various interpretations may seem borderline ludicrous.


Hey! Did you just insult me? ;P
02/01/2010 01:13:25 PM · #68
Can my cat enter a photo in this challenge? Does art need an artist?
02/01/2010 01:16:31 PM · #69
Originally posted by tnun:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Fine Art Photography is the title with no description.


yes


Another yes to this one...
02/01/2010 01:28:14 PM · #70
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by posthumous:

this discussion is making a no-lose proposition sound like a no-win proposition. Who cares if different people interpret "fine art" differently? It'll still be a great challenge with a great variety of photographs.


100% agree. But I think Steve would agree that the discussion itself is an integral part of the process. :-)

R.


Discussion is great. However it is a "no-lose" proposition and no matter how we word it we'll still wind up with an interesting set of images that will not be the usual norm for the site. I also don't believe a landscape, a frog, an eagle, a waterdrop or a tiger will win in the end.

The results might not be 100% what many of us would hope and for this type of thing, no matter where it's run, how it's worded...juried, whatever it should be interesting and I say we let the cards fall where they will. The results might very well piss me off but it will definitely bump the site into an interesting place for a few weeks...right or wrong?

Originally posted by yanko:

Can my cat enter a photo in this challenge?

No, your cat can't enter and I'll insist that that be specifically added to the descriptions wording! eta: Unless he's a paid member

Message edited by author 2010-02-01 13:35:02.
02/01/2010 02:20:06 PM · #71
The Museum of Non-Primate Art
Elephant Art and the Elephant Orchestra

Message edited by author 2010-02-01 14:27:13.
02/01/2010 02:21:30 PM · #72
Originally posted by pawdrix:

...it will definitely bump the site into an interesting place for a few weeks...right or wrong?...


I'm all for it.
02/01/2010 02:27:09 PM · #73
How about running the challenge and then 'volunteer' :) Steve to put together a small jury to judge the entries and give out awards to the top 3,5,10 images? I'd be all for seeing the results from the voters placed against a juried ranking. Let's do it!
02/01/2010 02:28:58 PM · #74
great suggestion Steve. would be very interesting to see how this oxymoronic excersize (populace judging a fine art competition) plays out.

BTW, recently finished Spider Awards photo competition gives a glimpse of a modern fine art photography world (only black and white, though): link

02/01/2010 02:30:10 PM · #75
Originally posted by youngnova:

Originally posted by tnun:

Originally posted by posthumous:

Fine Art Photography is the title with no description.


yes


Another yes to this one...


and there we have it
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