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01/28/2010 02:55:50 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Too many 'wrongs' for this one to go 'right' out and buy it.
No multi-tasking? HAH.
An iPhone OS? meh.
No flash. Pass.
It's just a glorified gadget that, because it's Apple, will have people going ga-ga over nothing. |
Mark this day on your calendar. I agree with you.
No flash. ROFLMAO. What were they thinking? It can surf the net but only sites made before 1997. :) It's an anti-youtube device. Most or all video on youtube is flash now right? |
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01/28/2010 02:57:19 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Too many 'wrongs' for this one to go 'right' out and buy it.
No multi-tasking? HAH.
An iPhone OS? meh.
No flash. Pass.
It's just a glorified gadget that, because it's Apple, will have people going ga-ga over nothing. |
Mark this day on your calendar. I agree with you.
No flash. ROFLMAO. What were they thinking? It can surf the net but only sites made before 1997. :) It's an anti-youtube device. Most or all video on youtube is flash now right? |
You tube works just fine, just like it does on the iPhone. Apple converts it form flash to a different video format. |
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01/28/2010 02:58:36 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Too many 'wrongs' for this one to go 'right' out and buy it.
No multi-tasking? HAH.
An iPhone OS? meh.
No flash. Pass.
It's just a glorified gadget that, because it's Apple, will have people going ga-ga over nothing. |
Mark this day on your calendar. I agree with you.
No flash. ROFLMAO. What were they thinking? It can surf the net but only sites made before 1997. :) It's an anti-youtube device. Most or all video on youtube is flash now right? |
You tube works just fine, just like it does on the iPhone. Apple converts it form flash to a different video format. |
ahhh then the flash thing is a mute point. Does your iphone do that to all flash content? What format does it convert an ad too?
Message edited by author 2010-01-28 15:00:07. |
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01/28/2010 02:59:19 PM · #79 |
delete me please.
Message edited by author 2010-01-28 14:59:41. |
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01/28/2010 03:03:10 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Too many 'wrongs' for this one to go 'right' out and buy it.
No multi-tasking? HAH.
An iPhone OS? meh.
No flash. Pass.
It's just a glorified gadget that, because it's Apple, will have people going ga-ga over nothing. |
Mark this day on your calendar. I agree with you.
No flash. ROFLMAO. What were they thinking? It can surf the net but only sites made before 1997. :) It's an anti-youtube device. Most or all video on youtube is flash now right? |
You tube works just fine, just like it does on the iPhone. Apple converts it form flash to a different video format. |
ahhh then the flash thing is a mute point. Does your iphone do that to all flash content? What format does it convert an ad too? |
I was only refering to you tube. It does not support flash ads. I don't recall the format it converts flash video to, H.264? Something like that.
Message edited by author 2010-01-28 15:04:40. |
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01/29/2010 02:38:34 AM · #81 |
On the flash stuff:
Adobe on Flash and the ipad
"Considering the Nokia N900 runs Flash 9 extremely well on a 600MHz ARM Cortex A8-based TI OMAP 3 processor (and the Palm Pre, which uses the same chip, will be able to run Flash 10.1 when webOS 1.4 comes out) we don't see any reason other than politics that the iPad can't do it on that fancy new 1GHz dual-core Cortex A9-based A4 chip."
One of the people who react on this has it right I think:
"It conflicts with their multimedia sales business. How many people would buy episodes of their favorite TV shows from iTunes when they can just stream it from one of the hundreds of available sites online for free? Would you buy apps from iTunes when you can play an equivalent game online for free? On top of that, users could theoretically design Flash applications designed to run almost exclusively on the iPad which means Apple loses control of the application market as well.
Of course, all of these activities would be fantastic for the users, but I don't think that matters to them."
I-Pay. How much of that insanely huge profit would remain if you can opt out of the app store, i-tunes, i-books and whatever and choose to shop somewhere else or use free flash game content.
You can say a lot about Microsoft, but they don't force you to buy all the media content from them.
Message edited by author 2010-01-29 02:41:34.
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01/29/2010 08:20:18 AM · #82 |
| Good point Azrifel. Has Apple made a booboo? Limiting their customers is just plain bad business but the Apple consumers will ignore this and flaunt their ipad to no end. A shame really. Can't wait for HP to come out with a model that includes flash and everything else Apple opted to not include. It'll blow the ipad away. Come on Google, you can do it. Microsoft should get in on this too. |
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01/29/2010 08:23:46 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Good point Azrifel. Has Apple made a booboo? Limiting their customers is just plain bad business but the Apple consumers will ignore this and flaunt their ipad to no end. A shame really. Can't wait for HP to come out with a model that includes flash and everything else Apple opted to not include. It'll blow the ipad away. Come on Google, you can do it. Microsoft should get in on this too. |
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01/29/2010 08:49:06 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Good point Azrifel. Has Apple made a booboo? Limiting their customers is just plain bad business but the Apple consumers will ignore this and flaunt their ipad to no end. A shame really. Can't wait for HP to come out with a model that includes flash and everything else Apple opted to not include. It'll blow the ipad away. Come on Google, you can do it. Microsoft should get in on this too. |
Just like the numerous "iPhone killers" have blown iPhone away. Google recently released one too... the only catch is that it's made by HTC - whom already made a few iPhone killers that nobody wants. Let's see if the Google branding can help them - lol |
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01/29/2010 10:03:03 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
On the flash stuff:
Adobe on Flash and the ipad
"Considering the Nokia N900 runs Flash 9 extremely well on a 600MHz ARM Cortex A8-based TI OMAP 3 processor (and the Palm Pre, which uses the same chip, will be able to run Flash 10.1 when webOS 1.4 comes out) we don't see any reason other than politics that the iPad can't do it on that fancy new 1GHz dual-core Cortex A9-based A4 chip."
One of the people who react on this has it right I think:
"It conflicts with their multimedia sales business. How many people would buy episodes of their favorite TV shows from iTunes when they can just stream it from one of the hundreds of available sites online for free? Would you buy apps from iTunes when you can play an equivalent game online for free? On top of that, users could theoretically design Flash applications designed to run almost exclusively on the iPad which means Apple loses control of the application market as well.
Of course, all of these activities would be fantastic for the users, but I don't think that matters to them."
I-Pay. How much of that insanely huge profit would remain if you can opt out of the app store, i-tunes, i-books and whatever and choose to shop somewhere else or use free flash game content.
You can say a lot about Microsoft, but they don't force you to buy all the media content from them. |
Adobe makes the plugin, and they have some serious issues.
The flash plug in for the Mac is a nightmare.
Fact.
It crashes, it's slow, it maxes out the processor, it causes machines to over heat.
Fact.
The flash plug in is a proprietary piece of software developed by a third party, not by Apple.
Fact.
So - and I'm going out on a limb here - maybe if Adobe FIXED the plug in, made it work better, it would be welcomed.
Conjecture.
But Adobe aren't even trying, at least not in public. I don't want my iPad to crash everytime i hit another spank the monkey advert. I've got click2flash installed on Safari, safari no longer crashes. Youtube works just fine, and the video quality is massively superior to the flash version.
So ADOBE - fix flash. What Flash can do is great, the potential is fantastic. That it's an unstable piece of crap on all but top end wintel machines is Adobe's issue, not Apple's.
Also - who is to say that this thing can't run flash, and SJ simply blocked it to make a little statement?
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01/29/2010 06:24:51 PM · #86 |
OK, here's where I think the deciding factor will be in the iPads success or failure:
Will you be able to vote on DPC using it? |
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01/29/2010 06:53:14 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
[quote=Azrifel] On the flash stuff: |
And Adobe claims that Apple isn't giving them access to the apps or is otherwise blocking them. He said she said he said she said....
I am not anti-Apple, just expected a lot more from them. Especially when for some time you see competitors with tablets that have all kind of options (for example the 800 grams 5 hours battery life widesreen 1080 HD support Archos 9 with camera, USB, etc, etc, for 500 euro) but not running OSX. It is a bit disappointing from a trendsetter. If they had brought out a 900 dollar OS-X running device with at least a webcamera and a USB port to easily connect to my camera (for example for remote control and getting the images on the tablet) I would have bought it instantly (even if it is only 16GB, because I believe NAS / online storage is the future).
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01/29/2010 07:38:55 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
[quote=Azrifel] On the flash stuff: |
And Adobe claims that Apple isn't giving them access to the apps or is otherwise blocking them. He said she said he said she said....
I am not anti-Apple, just expected a lot more from them. Especially when for some time you see competitors with tablets that have all kind of options (for example the 800 grams 5 hours battery life widesreen 1080 HD support Archos 9 with camera, USB, etc, etc, for 500 euro) but not running OSX. It is a bit disappointing from a trendsetter. If they had brought out a 900 dollar OS-X running device with at least a webcamera and a USB port to easily connect to my camera (for example for remote control and getting the images on the tablet) I would have bought it instantly (even if it is only 16GB, because I believe NAS / online storage is the future). |
That's called a MacBook. ;-)
Tablet computers are out there now that do all that, too.
I think people are expecting this thing to be a notebook/netbook replacement. Maybe it will be, but I don't think that is the way Apple envisions it. I think they are trying to create a new category of personal device. I think more needs to come out about applications for it, practical and entertainment uses, enterprise uses, etc.
As for Flash, it really isn't that big of a deal to me. Even in the best of conditions it's buggy and unstable and a memory hog. Adobe is risking a lot by not taking the security risks their products present seriously. Adobe PDF forms, as well as Flash, are constantly being exploited. We are ready to throw Adobe forms completely overboard at work because of Adobe's lack of timely patches for well known exploits. Many corporations are excluding them altogether. Adobe need to get on the ball.
I think HTML 5 is far more promising, and believe it or not, Silverlight from Microsoft, although it is another proprietary technology too.
Anyway, I'd wait and see what comes of it before dismissing the iPad. Could bomb, could be really huge. Too early to tell.
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01/29/2010 09:07:08 PM · #89 |
I have an i-Touch and think it is a neat little tool to check the news, my mail, weather, stocks and the like. I would love to say I'm all in with the new i-Pad but ...
INHO Apple is making a big mistake by continuing to be so proprietary in there products. Take for instance a simple thing like syncing with my desktop. As a PC user I have to use iTunes. Using i-Tunes is just not as convenient or as robust as using Windows Media Player on a PC. As for transferring photos I would just as soon drag and drop right from my HD and not have i-Tunes do it's own conversion. Not being able to link directly to my PC (without the aid of i-tunes) sucks. Not being able to use a simple USB cable to connect my camera without there adapter sucks. Not being able to view the video I want because it does not support something as universal as Flash sucks.
Look, I'm not bashing Apple to bash Apple. They make some beautiful products and I'm even willing to pay the price for them. I just hate being so limited with a device that is supposed to be more than a PDA. I think Apple is missing the boat of converting PC users by locking down their products the way they do. Seems like a bad marketing plan to limit your customer base. |
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01/29/2010 09:17:20 PM · #90 |
I'm trying to imagine where this kind of device might 'fit in' with the average user.
If I'm walking out the door and need to grab a device to show photos to someone or listen to music on, I'm more likely to use my smartphone - I'm bringing that in my pocket anyway, and the iPad isn't small enough to fit into my pocket, it'd be like carrying a netbook around with me.
If I need a way to quickly get online and check something, I'll fire up the iMac if I'm at home (I leave it in standby mode, so boot time isn't an issue), the laptop or netbook if I'm in another room in the house, or the smartphone if I'm away from home. The advantages with the laptop/netbook is that they have a real keyboard, which is faster for typing on.
For someone who has a smartphone, a laptop/netbook and a desktop - I can't see when they would ever find the need to use this device. In fact, for someone who only owns a smartphone and a desktop, I still fail to see where it would fit in. I tongue-in-cheek mentioned sitting on the apartment floor drinking coffee... but that's about the only use I can see for it right now!
It *might* be a netbook replacement if it had a real keyboard and the ability to run some flavor of windows or at least OSX. But Steve Jobs himself said that he doesn't intend this to be a netbook replacement.
What is it?! |
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01/29/2010 09:27:38 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by JH:
I'm trying to imagine where this kind of device might 'fit in' with the average user.
If I'm walking out the door and need to grab a device to show photos to someone or listen to music on, I'm more likely to use my smartphone - I'm bringing that in my pocket anyway, and the iPad isn't small enough to fit into my pocket, it'd be like carrying a netbook around with me.
If I need a way to quickly get online and check something, I'll fire up the iMac if I'm at home (I leave it in standby mode, so boot time isn't an issue), the laptop or netbook if I'm in another room in the house, or the smartphone if I'm away from home. The advantages with the laptop/netbook is that they have a real keyboard, which is faster for typing on.
For someone who has a smartphone, a laptop/netbook and a desktop - I can't see when they would ever find the need to use this device. In fact, for someone who only owns a smartphone and a desktop, I still fail to see where it would fit in. I tongue-in-cheek mentioned sitting on the apartment floor drinking coffee... but that's about the only use I can see for it right now!
It *might* be a netbook replacement if it had a real keyboard and the ability to run some flavor of windows or at least OSX. But Steve Jobs himself said that he doesn't intend this to be a netbook replacement.
What is it?! |
Kindle/portable gaming device/email client/movie player (one with a screen you can actually see)/e-news paper reader/photo viewer (one with a screen you can actually see)/ . . .
What it's not? Laptop/netbook/full blown computer/iPhone |
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01/29/2010 09:32:00 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Kindle/portable gaming device/email client/movie player (one with a screen you can actually see)/e-news paper reader/photo viewer (one with a screen you can actually see)/ . . .
What it's not? Laptop/netbook/full blown computer/iPhone |
This for me is the big plus of the iPad. The screen is a size that actually makes it useful to use for web / email / photos, all the stuff that I've tried from time to time to do on my iPhone but just don't bother because it's irksome on such a small screen.
I'm not sure how useful it will be at home as I love my Macbook Pro, but I rarely take that out with me unless I have a specific reason. This is where the iPad will fit in nicely for me. |
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01/30/2010 08:53:09 AM · #93 |
those sizes originally thought for doctors in hospitals.... business people in fields... now because apple wants to compete with Kindle, they want us to READ more... which is not a bad thing. If you want to take it to the bathroom and keep reading whatever you're reading, iPad/Kindle is perfect, it won't even fit into the whole if you drop it.
I don't even know how those things can be protected in a regular household use. The whole screen is open for damage by kids, pets accidents... I think there will be some inventions to put those into bookshelfs soon.
I watched Steve job's video clip for the new iPad... it is very difficult to impress people these days. Every new gadget seems like "been there done that". I mean aren't most of the digital cameras now have the same "rotate and view" option on their LCD viewer? Tablet PCs with touch screens. I mean those gigantic "Electronic Touch-boards" news people using on TV these days...
As I said, it's not easy to impress people these days... |
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01/30/2010 10:46:22 AM · #94 |
I personally hate reading books/long documents on a bright LCD display. I much prefer the Kindle/Nook e-ink display for long term reading.
I can see the appeal of the iPad for other things, but not for reading. |
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01/30/2010 12:31:25 PM · #95 |
If I wasn't a starving artist (har har) I would pick one up in a heartbeat. I think it would be awesome for meeting with clients :) Looks nicer than whipping out a laptop imo.
I have gear I want to buy first though ;) |
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01/30/2010 03:37:49 PM · #96 |
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01/30/2010 03:54:53 PM · #97 |
| On today's episode Wait Wait Don't Tell Me Tom Bodett predicts that Apple's next product will be a larger version (perhaps targeted at older people) called the MaxiPad ... :-) |
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02/01/2010 10:34:11 PM · #98 |
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02/11/2010 11:13:48 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
On the flash stuff:
Adobe on Flash and the ipad
"Considering the Nokia N900 runs Flash 9 extremely well on a 600MHz ARM Cortex A8-based TI OMAP 3 processor (and the Palm Pre, which uses the same chip, will be able to run Flash 10.1 when webOS 1.4 comes out) we don't see any reason other than politics that the iPad can't do it on that fancy new 1GHz dual-core Cortex A9-based A4 chip."
One of the people who react on this has it right I think:
[i]
"It conflicts with their multimedia sales business. How many people would buy episodes of their favorite TV shows from iTunes when they can just stream it from one of the hundreds of available sites online for free? Would you buy apps from iTunes when you can play an equivalent game online for free? On top of that, users could theoretically design Flash applications designed to run almost exclusively on the iPad which means Apple loses control of the application market as well.
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The reason I've seen mentioned for the lack of Flash support on the Apple iPhone mobile digital device and the Apple iPad device is that there's no technical reason for Flash, and Apple would rather encourage HTML5 and javascript (keeping the platform used the Safari web browser, instead of Flash). Of course, it could just as easily been something less pure, as was pondered above.
Unrelated, I do recommend the N900 if you're looking for something more than a phone (both in terms of features and size). |
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02/11/2010 01:28:58 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by sillygoat:
If I wasn't a starving artist (har har) I would pick one up in a heartbeat. I think it would be awesome for meeting with clients :) Looks nicer than whipping out a laptop imo.
I have gear I want to buy first though ;) |
Agree, even when using my iPhone to show off certain ideas to clients it looks kinda sweet, with a larger screen it would be great.. Its all price dependant though, the UK prices havent been announced yet AFAIK. |
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