Best of 2009 - 100% Commenting and Voting...

01/24/2010 05:31:25 PM · #101

Originally posted by Ja-9:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I just don't know.......this is a LOT of images. I'll plug away, but after a while I run screaming from the room.

You have commented on 45 of 445 images (10%) in this challenge.

come one Jeb I know you can do it

Well, here's where I'm at now.....we'll see from this point whether it's worth the risk.

You have commented on 111 of 445 images (25%) in this challenge.

Heck, I don't even know if I'm one of the offending commenters for sure.

01/24/2010 05:37:58 PM · #102

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by Ja-9:

Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I just don't know.......this is a LOT of images. I'll plug away, but after a while I run screaming from the room.

You have commented on 45 of 445 images (10%) in this challenge.

come one Jeb I know you can do it

Well, here's where I'm at now.....we'll see from this point whether it's worth the risk.

You have commented on 111 of 445 images (25%) in this challenge.

Heck, I don't even know if I'm one of the offending commenters for sure.

I will have to say that after having received your comment on this challenge that is well done...I have NO complaints...your through and well thought through...NO ONE could possibly complain...With 4 more days left to leave comments...do what your can...

I only started this to encourage members to give it a try...for me...it's a journey, and if I say anything to offend anyone else...sorry...it's not meant that way...I often bugger things up or I don't see what your seeing...but I always try to be constructive...which I think that is the overall general object here...

Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS

01/24/2010 05:47:59 PM · #103

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:
I want less "What I would like to see with this image" and more "I wonder why you chose to do with this image what you did".

That's a fairly narrow distinction, and truth be told, once it gets to that point, my inclination is to not make any further comments.

If I spend more time trying to make sure that my comment could not possibly be taken in a negative connotation, I'll not get very far at all, not to mention be fairly unlikely to be able to convey the impression that the image left me with in the first place.

When the style, or wording of commentary starts getting criticized, it kind of makes me surprised that anyone would even want to try and comment.

I don't feel that I'm particularly qualified to leave anything in a comment except what it is about the image that appeals to me, doesn't appeal to me, or how it makes me feel. If I think I have to be super-careful how I word my impressions, it just makes more senmse not to comment at all and that way I know that I won't offend anyone.

Now now, don't pull a Jeb and over-react to a simple suggestion.

I already said that 'that's life' and I'll live with whatever comments come in, I'm just making a call for a bit of thinking, is all.

bvy

Sigma DP1x

01/24/2010 05:51:23 PM · #104

Let's all sing a little song, shall we?

...2, ...3, ...4

vawendy

Sony Alpha 1

01/24/2010 06:09:56 PM · #105

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by kaiser_chief:
Knowing my lack of time, and that I cannot leave a 5 word comment on an image, I gave up any chance of giving 100% comments before the challenge even begun.........50 or 100 more detailed comments is better than 400+ 5 word comments anyday.

Having said that, I am being quite picky, and was also the same when I voted too. This is the 'Best of 2009' where people are meant to submit their best image. Hence, I would expect them to have spend time to look into the details in their image, their processing and choices. With 12 months of images to chose from, there are a lot of possibilities.

If anyone has questions regarding a comment I made from them, I am happy to receive a PM regarding it, preferably after the voting closes, and provided the OM is written in a nice and non-abusive way, I will respond to it with further details.

It doesn't matter if it's a "Best of" or not, when a person starts looking for reasons to NOT like a photograph, there's a problem, IMO.

ETA: Please don't confuse this with simply not liking a photo. If you don't like it, you don't like it. However, I have a major problem with people that go around nit-picking the tiniest things as if it's some kind of all-encompassing photographic rule or standard that completely destroys an image. It's especially frustrating when you know the only reason that it's even being mentioned is so that it 'fills out' someone's comment to make it look a little more involved.

However, I'll live with such things, I just wanted to make people think a little bit more about what they're saying and why they're saying it. I want less "What I would like to see with this image" and more "I wonder why you chose to do with this image what you did".

Get it?

I also get a little unsure when I read a post like this. I'm not going for the 100% comment, but I am commenting on some images. When I nit-pick something, it's to explain what I think would make the photo better. I got a comment like this from

andrewt on one of my photos. It's hard, at first, to get that type of comment, but after reflecting on it, he was absolutely right. I made the changes to the images and it has been excepted into the Elk River Art Show, a show that's very important to me.

I do wish they had a check box of "I didn't like the comment, it wasn't useful, go away." If people get irritated at suggestions, then I'd rather not do it. But that's the type of comments that I like receiving, so that's the type of comments I give.

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/24/2010 06:15:20 PM · #106

Originally posted by vawendy:

I do wish they had a check box of "I didn't like the comment, it wasn't useful, go away."

Wow - really? I'd be rather hurt if someone checked that box on one of my comments. I'd rather they just don't check the comment as useful, then I could at least delude myself into thinking perhaps they didn't see it.

Besides, we have no idea who the photog is when we comment in challenges, so how would that help anything?

01/24/2010 06:18:38 PM · #107

Ok, look. Honestly. I'm just making a suggestion. Take it as you will. If you don't think it's worthy, comment as you've always done. It's not like I'm some supreme being that makes laws and forces everyone into things they don't want to do.

If you're honestly considering stopping commenting because one person has asked for a little bit of an attitude change now and then, well, what can I say? Should I be flattered that I carry that much power? LOL.

Don't over-react, don't act like you've been insulted somehow, please, and just take it like I'm trying to mean it. A simple call-out for a little thought. Don't care for it? Ignore it. No skin off my dingles.

Message edited by author 2010-01-24 18:19:23.

01/24/2010 08:07:56 PM · #108

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Ok, look. Honestly. I'm just making a suggestion. Take it as you will. If you don't think it's worthy, comment as you've always done.

If you're honestly considering stopping commenting because one person has asked for a little bit of an attitude change now and then, well, what can I say?

How about nothing if it's not constructive or helpful in the thread that is encouraging people to vote and comment?

Hate to break it to you, but it wasn't just you, neither were you the first.

Invariably, in one of these threads that's started up for the purpose of being upbeat and urging people to participate, a few people feel obligated to bitch.

Why??? You know what this thread's about, why do a few of you feel obligated to do the same thing you whine about.....nitpick?

Take your own advice.....you don't like the comment, then don't mark it helpful, and let it go.

Don't just post to the thread where people are being encouraged to participate for the express purpose of whining.

It really didn't come across as a suggestion when it's worded like this:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Some people trying to do this, need to stop trying to do this, right now :D

You're starting to get WAY too picky and over-analytical

That's just bitching.

Pentax FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited AF

01/24/2010 08:10:18 PM · #109

Originally posted by vawendy:

I do wish they had a check box of "I didn't like the comment, it wasn't useful, go away." If people get irritated at suggestions, then I'd rather not do it. But that's the type of comments that I like receiving, so that's the type of comments I give.

At one time, it was discussed that we have a block to check if you don't want comments.

I'd like to see that, then the people who just don't seem to get them as they see fit can just eliminate the headache and save those of us who try our best to do a nice thing.

v5planet

Pentax K7

01/24/2010 08:13:44 PM · #110

Well, I managed 100% voting, but I think 100% commenting is beyond me on over 400 images. Though there were quite a few great ones out there! Tried to leave quality comments on all the ones that spoke to me (and there was no shortage of those, way to go dpcers!)

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/24/2010 08:20:12 PM · #111

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Ok, look. Honestly. I'm just making a suggestion. Take it as you will. If you don't think it's worthy, comment as you've always done.

If you're honestly considering stopping commenting because one person has asked for a little bit of an attitude change now and then, well, what can I say?

How about nothing if it's not constructive or helpful in the thread that is encouraging people to vote and comment?

Hate to break it to you, but it wasn't just you, neither were you the first.

Invariably, in one of these threads that's started up for the purpose of being upbeat and urging people to participate, a few people feel obligated to bitch.

Why??? You know what this thread's about, why do a few of you feel obligated to do the same thing you whine about.....nitpick?

Take your own advice.....you don't like the comment, then don't mark it helpful, and let it go.

Don't just post to the thread where people are being encouraged to participate for the express purpose of whining.

It really didn't come across as a suggestion when it's worded like this:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Some people trying to do this, need to stop trying to do this, right now :D

You're starting to get WAY too picky and over-analytical

That's just bitching.

This is my last word on the subject, but yes, that WAS just bitching, and tongue-in-cheek, and nobody had anything to say about that really. It's when I responded and expanded to someone that replied to me, AGREEING with me, that the 'stuff hit the fan' as they say.

I have long seen a correlation to threads requesting 100% commenting, and comments starting to come in that are less than great. I finally decided to speak out about it. It's a wonderful intent, it really is, but like many things, the reality of it is that people start trying too hard, a lot of the time, and quality suffers. It's unfortunate.

My point, and request, remains. I would like to see people focus less on leaving more, and more on leaving less, WITH more. If that makes any sense.

I think it's wonderful that people want to make efforts, but don't lose sight of what you're trying to do by trying to do too much. This doesn't apply to everyone, or even most, it's just a little thing I feel I need to say.

Citadel

Nikon D7500

01/24/2010 08:26:49 PM · #112

I have to say that the quality of the comments I've received so far is pretty darn good. I understand where K10DGuy is coming from but thus far, most of the comments I've received aren't just the fluffy "nice picture" variety. (There are some but not from the people trying for 100% comments)

01/24/2010 08:27:57 PM · #113

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

My point, and request, remains. I would like to see people focus less on leaving more, and more on leaving less, WITH more. If that makes any sense.

I think it's wonderful that people want to make efforts, but don't lose sight of what you're trying to do by trying to do too much. This doesn't apply to everyone, or even most, it's just a little thing I feel I need to say.

Well, how does one know in what manner one should comment?

Like I said before, all I can do is to give my impressions. I have long since given up trying to make any suggestions or comment about any technique specifically.

I'm not a photography instructor, nor even well schooled.

All my knowledge is empirical, so I'm completely lacking in correct knowledge.

How do I know when my comments are no longer appropriate? How do I fix that?

Pentax FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited AF

01/24/2010 08:29:43 PM · #114

Originally posted by Citadel:

Well, color me confused.......it's okay to leave a fluffy comment if you're *not* trying to do 100% commenting?

BTW, just for the record, I stated that I don't think I will be able to do 100%.

ETA: here's a comment I left on one image:

A truly exquisite work.......10

It blew me away, and I really don't have anything further to add in the comment on an image that I gave a 10 to and faved. I'm sorry it isn't more, but it's just the way I felt......awed, and full of admiration for a truly fine image.

Did it require more than that?

Message edited by author 2010-01-24 20:33:53.

v5planet

Pentax K7

01/24/2010 08:34:04 PM · #115

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

I'm not a photography instructor, nor even well schooled.

All my knowledge is empirical, so I'm completely lacking in correct knowledge.

Correct knowledge? I think commenting on your impressions is precisely the point. Unless the photo is only intended for an audience with supreme technical knowledge.

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

01/24/2010 08:35:21 PM · #116

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:
My point, and request, remains. I would like to see people focus less on leaving more, and more on leaving less, WITH more. If that makes any sense.

I think it's wonderful that people want to make efforts, but don't lose sight of what you're trying to do by trying to do too much. This doesn't apply to everyone, or even most, it's just a little thing I feel I need to say.

Well, how does one know in what manner one should comment?

Like I said before, all I can do is to give my impressions. I have long since given up trying to make any suggestions or comment about any technique specifically.

I'm not a photography instructor, nor even well schooled.

All my knowledge is empirical, so I'm completely lacking in correct knowledge.

How do I know when my comments are no longer appropriate? How do I fix that?

You comment how you want to, and if you're happy with the way you comment, you don't take what anyone else says personally. I know how hard that is for you, try it sometime.

scooter97

Canon EOS-6D

01/24/2010 08:36:42 PM · #117

Stats: You have rated 180 of 445 images (40%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 50 images (11%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.0222.

I'm working my way through these images. It will be Thursday before I get to all of them. I will leave those 'fluffy' comments most of the time since I do not feel I am in a position to be very critical of others work.

Sigma 18-250 f/3.5 - 6.3 DC OS HSM

01/24/2010 08:40:23 PM · #118

Originally posted by scooter97:

good for you...

NathanWert

Canon EOS-90D

01/24/2010 08:50:38 PM · #119

I was forced (by

redjulep) to enter...and every challenge I enter I vote 100% (or try to). I may not comment on all of them, but I try my hardest to vote.

I'm currently sitting at a 5.4845 for my own score and I have rated 295 of 445 images (66%) in this challenge.

bmartuch

Nikon D7200

Nikon AF-S DX Nikkor 35mm f/1.8G

01/24/2010 08:53:22 PM · #120

Still plugging away.

You have rated 206 of 445 images (46%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 206 of 445 images (46%) in this challenge.

You have given an average score of 6.3544.

Sigma 18-250 f/3.5 - 6.3 DC OS HSM

01/24/2010 08:56:52 PM · #121

Originally posted by NathanW:

I was forced (by redjulep) to enter...and every challenge I enter I vote 100% (or try to). I may not comment on all of them, but I try my hardest to vote.

I'm currently sitting at a 5.4845 for my own score and I have rated 295 of 445 images (66%) in this challenge.

try to comment on what you can...it's a learning experience...and it really makes you study the pictures as to what you do or do not like...and I have found that conveying that usually (not always) is appreciated. but you yourself grow alot in your own photography because you catalog all those things you like and dislike...believe it or not...

NathanWert

Canon EOS-90D

01/24/2010 09:00:06 PM · #122

I've actually rated one photo a "10" that makes me want to go back and change the 19 other photo's I've currently given 10's to 9's.

Covert_Oddity

Nikon D700

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/24/2010 09:01:17 PM · #123

Just to weigh in on the "how to best comment" debate. If someone takes the time to say ANYTHING about my image, I appreciate it. If they want to say "Great shot" then great, if they tell me why it's great then that's up to them, and I appreciate it. If they want to say "It sucks" then great, I know my image didn't appeal to certain people, if they want to say why it sucks, then even better, it tells me if it's something I'm doing wrong or if it's just personal taste. If someone wants to write a book on my image, then wonderful, but I want a split of the profits :)

Fact is, people will comment they way they want to comment, if they choose to push themselves to do 400+ comments and that means they leave 4 word comments, then that's their choice and I don't think it's up to anyone to tell them they should do more or less, people should just be grateful they took the time.

Personally, I like to tell people what I see in their image and what I like or don't like. Sometimes though, I just won't have much to say about a shot, so I won't force myself to type stuff just to fill space. If you like or don't like something I said about your shot, you're welcome to PM me to discuss it.

And finally, my progress in this challenge, well, I'm slowing down, I've found I have a lot to say this morning but still aiming for that revised comment target of 200!

You have rated 136 of 445 images (31%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 125 images (28%) in this challenge.

01/24/2010 09:05:48 PM · #124

I'm done for the day......worked hard doing housework and commenting. I'm beat.

You have commented on 145 of 445 images (33%) in this challenge.

Back to work tomorrow, so I don't know how much more I'll get done.

I'm not allowed to play on DPC at work any more.