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01/08/2010 02:19:47 PM · #51 |
I just looked at hoppers portfolio and the one thing struck me is that when both men pick up their cameras for entirely different reasons. I see a day and night difference in what I perceive their goals to be at the outset.
That's well worth thinking about. I mean, you might not like what Zeus was trying to do before he even did it...so, there's not point in making a judgment if that's the case. |
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01/08/2010 02:23:15 PM · #52 |
he entered the photo in a challenge in which he asked 170 people to make a "judgment"
Originally posted by pawdrix:
there's not point in making a judgment if that's the case. |
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01/08/2010 02:26:05 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by bergiekat:
... This thread does give insight as to why the artsy stuff does so poorly at DPC, but those shots also garner some wonderfully positive comments which ia far more than I can say for the more mainstream shots I do. ... |
Well, I do enjoy some "artistic" photos, for example I gave this photo my only 10 in the recent Umbrella challenge --> 
And this photo has been a long standing favorite of mine -->  :-) |
Both beautiful shots!! :)
For the record, I was not meaning to imply that anyone not caring for the photo in the OPs post was "close minded" or didn't appreciate the more artistic photos. My intent was merely to point out that there are far fewer people on DPC (it seems) that these types of shots appeal to at the moment, than the number of people who prefer the more commercial style of photograph over the more artistic. AND...there will be overlap as no one is going to be pigeon-holed into one category or the other. I highly doubt that all will 100% of the time find the "artistic" less appealing or for the others, more appealing. Thst's the beauty of individualism. :) I personally prefer the "different" and the photo being discussed is different. It's not obvious, thus it provokes me to spend more time to study and think about...and for me, enjoy. |
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01/08/2010 02:35:49 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
life's a stage
eta: I'd start by saying that I doubt many of us would not have even dreamed of picking up our cameras and taking a picture like yanko's nor view it in terms of it's title. We could start and stop there. |
Actually, I would. :-) My photo is garbage in comparison, and it was taken as part of a daily side-challenge...quality of mine aside, I would have most certainly grabbed my camera given the view that yanko had with his capture.
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01/08/2010 02:49:14 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
there's not point in making a judgment if that's the case. |
Originally posted by hopper:
he entered the photo in a challenge in which he asked 170 people to make a "judgment" |
Amen to that..
(edited for quotes readability)
Message edited by author 2010-01-08 14:50:29. |
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01/08/2010 02:56:18 PM · #56 |
There's a piece of the Human soul in each of ZZ's photos. It's not necessarily something that can be seen, but you know it's there.
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01/08/2010 03:01:38 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Actually, I was hoping someone would cough up some money and send yanko a housekeeper... |
Originally posted by Louis:
...or at least a vacuum cleaner. |
A french maid with a dyson would have been nice. :(
Message edited by author 2010-01-08 15:15:35. |
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01/08/2010 03:05:44 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
there's not point in making a judgment if that's the case. |
Originally posted by hopper:
he entered the photo in a challenge in which he asked 170 people to make a "judgment" |
Amen to that..
(edited for quotes readability) |
You also might consider that Zeus was only looking for some reaction and the best way to get views and a response is through Challenges?
Perhaps connecting with 30-50 people is all he cares about and reading those comments and reactions are all that matters to him? It should be pretty clear by now to anybody that views his work, he doesn't shoot for the popular vote. And never will.
Amen to that!
eta: I know 4-5 DPC members that love trolling (fishing)the Challenges for anonymous talent and the pearls they uncover from time to time. The front page, Ribbons, 7's, Top 10, post processing etc. couldn't be further from their point of interest.
Message edited by author 2010-01-08 16:14:37. |
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01/08/2010 03:24:45 PM · #59 |
Let me expand my vague little statement since someone thought it was worthy enough to call out in another DPC-headbutting-go-nowhere thread!
So, by closed minded, I'm talking about DPCer's willingness to take a moment to think about other styles of photography. The mindset around here is "I don't like" or "I don't understand" so I'll just vote low and move on quickly as possible and get to the "shiny-sparlkly-trinket" photos!
You don't have to like every style of photography, but a moment or two taken to see what the photographer was trying to show(or even what you, the viewer might see) might help you expand your own photography.
But, since everybody seems bent on just repeating what has been done before...
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01/08/2010 03:38:47 PM · #60 |
The trouble I have deciphering shots like this is on DPC is you know nothing about the artist (on purpose). I can enjoy "artsy" stuff if I know about the artist and get a sense of what they are like and what they are likely to be trying to convey in the shot. The "purpose" or "feel" of the shot is very important to me and that's lacking in the anonymous entry realm.
I chuckle at people who talk about how thought-provoking a piece of art is only to find out it was done by a monkey or an elephant or a seal. For every "closed minded" person there is another who is good at making BS sound important and knowledgable. (Of course that is as much a stereotype as the "closed minded" comment so it should be ignored.)
I love sounding important when I drink wine. I've found the secret is to take a deep sniff and list three things with the last being slightly odd. If you do it with conviction, people really go for it.
"I smell apples....oak....and a hint of....asparagus." |
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01/08/2010 03:44:03 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
The trouble I have deciphering shots like this is on DPC is you know nothing about the artist (on purpose). I can enjoy "artsy" stuff if I know about the artist and get a sense of what they are like and what they are likely to be trying to convey in the shot. The "purpose" or "feel" of the shot is very important to me and that's lacking in the anonymous entry realm.
I chuckle at people who talk about how thought-provoking a piece of art is only to find out it was done by a monkey or an elephant or a seal. For every "closed minded" person there is another who is good at making BS sound important and knowledgable. (Of course that is as much a stereotype as the "closed minded" comment so it should be ignored.)
I love sounding important when I drink wine. I've found the secret is to take a deep sniff and list three things with the last being slightly odd. If you do it with conviction, people really go for it.
"I smell apples....oak....and a hint of....asparagus." |
Bingo!! I was wondering how far this thread would go before someone pulled the 'people are just being pretentious' card. :) It actually went further than i expected. |
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01/08/2010 03:45:12 PM · #62 |
| Mark, I have looked at that shot several times. It looks to me like something out of a Saw movie. Other than that, I have no idea what the message was supposed to be. What is it saying to you that we closed-minded people are missing? |
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01/08/2010 03:45:50 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
the secret is to take a deep sniff and list three things with the last being slightly odd. If you do it with conviction, people really go for it.
"I smell apples....oak....and a hint of....asparagus." |
There's got to be an award for this level of B.S. It is an art form in and of itself. I smell... well you know what it smells like. |
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01/08/2010 03:47:34 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by pekesty:
Let me expand my vague little statement since someone thought it was worthy enough to call out in another DPC-headbutting-go-nowhere thread!
So, by closed minded, I'm talking about DPCer's willingness to take a moment to think about other styles of photography. The mindset around here is "I don't like" or "I don't understand" so I'll just vote low and move on quickly as possible and get to the "shiny-sparlkly-trinket" photos!
You don't have to like every style of photography, but a moment or two taken to see what the photographer was trying to show(or even what you, the viewer might see) might help you expand your own photography.
But, since everybody seems bent on just repeating what has been done before... |
I don't think you help your case by painting people here with a such a broad brush. I find your comments a bit insulting actually. |
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01/08/2010 03:48:42 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
I don't think you help your case by painting people here with a such a broad brush. I find your comments a bit insulting actually. |
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
I think someone could spit on the sidewalk and some people would call it artistic expression. |
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01/08/2010 03:49:27 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
"I smell apples....oak....and a hint of....asparagus." |
Busted. Everyone knows you don't smell the asparagus until later. |
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01/08/2010 03:50:02 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Other than that, I have no idea what the message was supposed to be. What is it saying to you that we closed-minded people are missing? |
I liked it but did not read any deep meaning from it. It was just some interesting patterns and lightplay. Sometimes an interesting picture is all it needs to be. Just like all the winning photos of water drops and wine glasses. |
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01/08/2010 03:51:15 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
I don't think you help your case by painting people here with a such a broad brush. I find your comments a bit insulting actually. |
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
I think someone could spit on the sidewalk and some people would call it artistic expression. |
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Your point?
Did you notice the word "some"? |
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01/08/2010 03:57:46 PM · #69 |
I liked the feel of it, but not particularly interesting. So it is a 6. Which is quite good.
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01/08/2010 03:59:50 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
Originally posted by pekesty:
Let me expand my vague little statement since someone thought it was worthy enough to call out in another DPC-headbutting-go-nowhere thread!
So, by closed minded, I'm talking about DPCer's willingness to take a moment to think about other styles of photography. The mindset around here is "I don't like" or "I don't understand" so I'll just vote low and move on quickly as possible and get to the "shiny-sparlkly-trinket" photos!
You don't have to like every style of photography, but a moment or two taken to see what the photographer was trying to show(or even what you, the viewer might see) might help you expand your own photography.
But, since everybody seems bent on just repeating what has been done before... |
I don't think you help your case by painting people here with a such a broad brush. I find your comments a bit insulting actually. |
You did make a very good, very thoughtful statement:
"You don't have to like every style of photography, but a moment or two taken to see what the photographer was trying to show(or even what you, the viewer might see) might help you expand your own photography. "
But you ruined it by adding the next line. Yes, people repeat things that have done before. There is nothing new under the sun. When's the last time you read a completely unique novel? Genres, plots, subtexts, they've all been done before in various degrees. Perhaps some things aren't done as often, simply because they're not particularly worth doing. You can't assume, just because a photograph scored low, that people didn't give it the consideration it was due. It's completely possible that they stopped, looked, gave it some time, and still thought it stunk. |
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01/08/2010 04:01:06 PM · #71 |
Did you know he entry was also part of a team side challenge?
Not only did he have the cajones to enter a shot like that, but his team won.
Message edited by author 2010-01-08 16:02:07. |
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01/08/2010 04:04:00 PM · #72 |
I never said anything about any messages!?! I don't get any messages either...but I'm not exactly a deep thinker!
If you instantly vote a style photo low simply because you don't like that style of photo(without any regards to its merits)...then yes you're a closed minded.
Originally posted by chaimelle:
Mark, I have looked at that shot several times. It looks to me like something out of a Saw movie. Other than that, I have no idea what the message was supposed to be. What is it saying to you that we closed-minded people are missing? |
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01/08/2010 04:06:35 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I chuckle at people who talk about how thought-provoking a piece of art is only to find out it was done by a monkey or an elephant or a seal. For every "closed minded" person there is another who is good at making BS sound important and knowledgable. (Of course that is as much a stereotype as the "closed minded" comment so it should be ignored.)
I love sounding important when I drink wine. I've found the secret is to take a deep sniff and list three things with the last being slightly odd. If you do it with conviction, people really go for it.
"I smell apples....oak....and a hint of....asparagus." |
Careful. You might be describing yourself in another thread... |
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01/08/2010 04:07:56 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by hopper:
The image is bad, it got a bad score. That's it. |
Just because it got a bad score doesn't mean the image is bad. Scores are best at measuring a subject's popularity and technique more than anything else. It scored low because few can identify with the subject and he didn't break any new ground technique-wise. To call the image bad simply on that account would be ridiculous, IMO.
I dare anyone to shoot the same subject and enter it in a free study. The thing is most DPCers who are accustom to high scores would simply cheat and bury the piece of plastic in some eye candy like sticking it in front of a sunset. |
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01/08/2010 04:10:46 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Did you know he entry was also part of a team side challenge?
Not only did he have the cajones to enter a shot like that, but his team won. |
What does a side challenge have to do with it?
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