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12/18/2009 01:33:33 AM · #101 |
The bottom line is the framework of the site has stagnated.
Site council rarely changes and appears as a detached and somewhat elitist group equating to little more than a rabidly partisan "clique". The premise is decent, functional and the volunteerism is appreciated but in no means should it be a harbor for those who feel immovable. The entrenchment of many council members has become stale.
This site is defined as a "bubble gum" photography website. Many of the same images come out on top over and over and over again. How many remakes of your favorite song do you need to hear before you hate the song? It gets very boring ..... for those who do not get wowed by the same recycled compositions anymore. It almost becomes offensive.
There is very little here to inspire a photographer who has progressed beyond a "learning site". They are forced to leave otherwise they'll go mad unless they migrate to the forums. There are many more expert forum participants here than there are advanced photographers.
DPC is a one room apartment that needs to expand or it will perish as the members will pummel each other because of boredom. Though we are reminded how beautiful these four walls are, they are still the same four walls even though we are reminded we are not appreciating the value of only four walls. Any photographer wishing to grow will simply go elsewhere to learn. They must go elsewhere because this place is not for advance education.
Its too bad for those who want to stay but find no further value in the current structure.
I have come to recognize this site is not a business but rather an uncontrollable beast which was once only a hobby site. If it is a business, it is poorly run.
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12/18/2009 01:44:50 AM · #102 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Okay, I will look forward to more of your positive remarks in this thread, then. |
I've been wading through 4 pages of this thread looking for a positive remark ... from anyone.
In case you've all forgotton, SC members have no control over what topics are posted as challenges -- since may of us often enter (contrary to "popular opinion") it would be unfair for us to know the immediately upcoming challenge topics in advance.
For a similar reason, I'm often a bit disappointed when I see a challenge posted which was just suggested/discussed in the week or two prior, as having such a discussion, posting of examples, etc. seems to me to diminish the "challenge" aspect by having the topic be less of a "surprise." I think this actually happens quite often, certainly more often than would be inferred from some of the comments in this thread.
Of the twenty most recently-completed challenges, plus those currently in the voting or submission phase, at least these ten are taken from user suggestions posted within the past six weeks:
Challenge (date suggestion posted)
Urban Decay (11/7)
Rural Decay (11/30)
Puzzle Macro III (12/1)
Powerlines (11/22)
Tilt-Shift (11/15)
Polka Dots (11/19)
Spirit of a Country (11/11)
Enthused (12/1) (plus Bored is the obviously-inferred companion challenge)
Painted Face (10/27)
Macro Without Bugs ... (12/1)
It seems to me that Countre-Jour, 47 Steps, 3-Techniques, and Animal-People Interactions were also recent suggestions, but I couldn't find the exact dates right now.
Considering that almost every challenge topic is taken from a user suggestion, I think the charge that the site "routinely ignores challenge suggestions" is not quite in complete conformity with reality ...
Message edited by author 2009-12-18 01:51:13. |
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12/18/2009 01:56:28 AM · #103 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
The bottom line is the framework of the site has stagnated.
Site council rarely changes and appears as a detached and somewhat elitist group equating to little more than a rabidly partisan "clique". The premise is decent, functional and the volunteerism is appreciated but in no means should it be a harbor for those who feel immovable. The entrenchment of many council members has become stale.
This site is defined as a "bubble gum" photography website. Many of the same images come out on top over and over and over again. How many remakes of your favorite song do you need to hear before you hate the song? It gets very boring ..... for those who do not get wowed by the same recycled compositions anymore. It almost becomes offensive.
There is very little here to inspire a photographer who has progressed beyond a "learning site". They are forced to leave otherwise they'll go mad unless they migrate to the forums. There are many more expert forum participants here than there are advanced photographers.
DPC is a one room apartment that needs to expand or it will perish as the members will pummel each other because of boredom. Though we are reminded how beautiful these four walls are, they are still the same four walls even though we are reminded we are not appreciating the value of only four walls. Any photographer wishing to grow will simply go elsewhere to learn. They must go elsewhere because this place is not for advance education.
Its too bad for those who want to stay but find no further value in the current structure.
I have come to recognize this site is not a business but rather an uncontrollable beast which was once only a hobby site. If it is a business, it is poorly run. |
I agree and I disagree.
Yes, there are and have been very similar types of images that frequent the main page (ribbon winners) However one has to remember that it is the voting community, not the individuals who put those images there. If you do not care for what is on the main page, do what I do, vote. Another thing I do is I try to submit something out of the norm. Not always but most times I try to do something special. Is it well liked.... normally no. With 188 challenges and a 4.9 average received.... not very well for the most part. However if you look at my top 5 they are 6.2+
One of the reasons I have come back is to be re-inspired. I even opted for the membership instead of just being registered. I have had a difficult year, very little actual photography has been done. Also even with my Love/Hate relationship with this website, I find myself back.
There is a wealth of information on this site. One only needs to 'search' the forum topics for it, or even ask and others will point you to the previous forums if there is no new and/or updated information. There are still in my point of view, many wonderful people on this site. And as always there are jerks. Ignore the jerks and get out what you are willing to put in.
Put it this way, if you have a technical question about how to capture an image, you do not have to submit a ticket and ask the SC. No you ask the Users. If you have questions about equipment, it does not matter if the eq section of the website doesn't work, you ask the users. If you have questions on learning materials of particular nature, or even most recent magazines..... You ask the users.
In my opinion, which I keep stating and it keeps being walked on.... SC is admin. Let them do their thing and all will be well. If you feel you are not getting enough out of the site, Participate. Ask technical questions. Hell start a side challenge with a degree of difficultly like I had with the 30 forking Days side challenge. Now, if taking a picture of a fork, once a day for 30 days does not get your creativity flowing nothing will. I actually re-uped those images, Here if you want to check out what I did.
There are tons of ways for the users to find inspiration and stuff. Just have to remember, it will not be handed to you on a silver platter. In the same boat no one here reads minds. Well if they do, it really is not worth it to. You, the users, have to speak up and let everyone know. Speak up and be creative, start a side challenge.
I remember the Leagues as being one of the most popular items on the site. Why it hasn't gone anywhere I don't know. But it does not stop the users (where it started) to do it on their own. We call can complain about time this busy that. Bottom line is, if you want it you make it happen. Get a spread sheet start keeping track. it is not all that difficult just takes time and dedication.
Bottom line, if the users want it better, the users need to make it better. Ask questions, make a tutorial, start a side challenge, tell a story about one of your days out shooting. Participate.
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12/18/2009 03:33:29 AM · #104 |
Just read the first post and no time for all the other stuff at the moment, but I fully agree with the general sentiment of Mark's post. It was a lot more fun with only one challenge a week.
I hope to have more time later this weekend to read more.
Message edited by author 2009-12-18 03:34:00.
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12/18/2009 03:39:15 AM · #105 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Come on, Shannon. Clearly, Langdon is phoning in these challenges lately. Even  Melethia is frustrated by them.
This is a real simple fix. Appoint a challenge committee to pick challenges. I volunteer. |
LOL! Who told you? (OK, OK, I was bemoaning "Love/Hate" and another macro challenge, but that's because I don't like 'em. Not to say that they're not good challenges!)
I think there's been a decent balance of the mundane and the kinda-out-there lately. We tend to bitch because it is human nature. And no one says you can't stray outside the box if the more rigid adherence to the guidelines doesn't appeal. For instance, I may shoot the "ring in the book" shot for Hate somehow... (OK, probably not.)
I do like the idea of a challenge committee - but they'd have to provide like ten weeks worth at a time to Langdon, so they wouldn't have advance notice of what is occuring when (since they'd all still be participants, I'm assuming.) And some challenge topics will never appeal to some people - that's just the way it goes. Were it up to me, all challenges would be monochrome, for instance, but color photography still has its admirers, or so I hear. :-) And I begrudgingly must admit that Lensbaby shots do not appeal to all. That's cool, too.
And really, now that I think about it, the challenges I DON'T like are ones I really should shoot for. Not for scoring opportunities, but for the chance to step outside my comfort zone or some such. Yes?
I have been pleased to see a return to more photography-related discussions. The front page has moved away from the nonsense/rant stuff a bit, which is good. The nonsense/rant stuff has a place - it is a social environment here - but I do like it better when the focus moves more towards the photo stuff.
As for leagues - I think they suit the competitive types very well and were very useful in refining selection processes, learning new processing skills, getting ideas. Unfortunately, some will always think cheating is going on, but there were some steps taken to prevent that if I recall. Not sure I'd play again were it come to pass again, but maybe.
I do ask that when considering changes, that if the site's appearance gets an update, not to put forums on black. I try to read some of the other sites where they do that and I can only take about five minutes at a time before my eyes go all fuzzy. |
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12/18/2009 08:39:11 AM · #106 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by sfalice:
Okay, I will look forward to more of your positive remarks in this thread, then. |
I've been wading through 4 pages of this thread looking for a positive remark ... from anyone.
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there have been many positive comments |
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12/18/2009 09:28:59 AM · #107 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by sfalice:
Okay, I will look forward to more of your positive remarks in this thread, then. |
I've been wading through 4 pages of this thread looking for a positive remark ... from anyone.
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there have been many positive comments |
I thought I had some. |
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12/18/2009 10:29:36 AM · #108 |
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12/18/2009 11:55:27 AM · #109 |
Go grab a second cup of coffee :)
I've been giving this thread some thought, and wanted to express a couple opinions of my own, while at the same time hoping not to get all in a huff about things (I really don't want to destroy any shred of Christmas spirit I might be building toward :P )
I read the original post, and I have to admit that there is some good thought there and I agree with a bit of it. In particular, I can agree with and understand the idea of wanting to back off the number of weekly challenges. Here's an analogy for you. When the show Who Wants to Be a Millionaire came out, I really looked forward to seeing it every week. For a while, it was THE show that everyone talked about, and I set aside that night to watch it.
Well, after a while, the show was so popular that they decided to add another day of the week... and then another, and before you knew it, it was on practically every day of the week. So at this point it was always on, and I didn't really get excited about it or set a particular day aside to see it any longer. And apparently that's what happened with a lot of people because its popularity went downhill and eventually Regis went back to doing whatever else Regis does outside that show.
I felt the same way about the challenges here, much like  Simms had explained. The more there are, the less "special" they are as a whole, and the less I tended to concentrate on them. When I joined the site, I entered around 100 challenges in a row before missing one (I don't recall the exact number, but it was in that vicinity). Now I have to motivate myself to enter more often, and I find that I have lost my motivation in entering nearly so often.
B-U-T... I can see both sides of this (and many other) issues. Offering additional challenges gives extra perks to paying members, and I do like the idea of offering alternatives so if people don't like one challenge, they have other options.
Of course, as a Site Council member, I feel a bit annoyed by statements in the original post that suggest that Site Council members don't participate, photographically, in the site. People join this site and participate in the site in all sorts of different ways, and submitting photos... or commenting... or voting are just some of those ways.
That's one of the things I find interesting and exciting about the site. There are many different ways people can participate and get out of it what they want. For some people, merely reading the forums is worth paying for the membership. There's so much knowledge that has been shared here; I know that I have learned tons of things by reading the forums alone. A person doesn't even need to contribute to the forums to learn from them.
I personally learn a lot by voting. I love looking at the challenge images each week to see how people interpret the challenges. I enjoy occasionally entering, but not as much as I used to. Those are ways that I learn from the site.
I can also understand how people want to see new, exciting things thrown into the mix, but I have to question how well some of these things would really go over in reality. Just like the addition of more challenges has somewhat diluted my enthusiasm for entering, tossing in more leagues, groups, committees, etc., will honestly probably wind up diluting the focus of the site further in other ways, in my opinion.
There are those who say they want to see the design of the site updated to something fresh and new. In so many ways this is much like asking a web designer to go murder their family, frankly. So many people say they want NEW NEW NEW! And then when NEW is offered, they freak out. Look at how many people flipped out when the presentation of the challenges was changed on the home page a couple months back. Think about the firestorms on Facebook every time they make a change. People freak out at new changes.
Heck, a few months ago Ikea changed the font they use in their advertising. People freaked about it. It's a font for heaven's sake... but some people acted like it was the end of the world.
My point is, any design change or addition of a new feature is a major thing. There is simply no new design that would ever satisfy everyone. People don't like to admit it, but they hate change of any sort. I'm not against change, but I honestly believe that any new changes that are implemented need to be done with great thought and consideration, and with the expectation that half of the people are going to go berserk because they hate it, while others are going to like it.
I think that Landgon does a good job of taking new changes into consideration and dropping new things into place. I don't know much about "where he sees the site in two years," but I'm sure I'll still be here because I recognize its value for me, and I know that it is what I make of it.
Message edited by author 2009-12-18 11:58:46. |
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12/18/2009 12:16:30 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
There are those who say they want to see the design of the site updated to something fresh and new. In so many ways this is much like asking a web designer to go murder their family, frankly. |
"Murder your darlings" is old advice for writers, encouraging them to throw out what they are most attached to in order to get something much better. Seems to fit here.
After having followed this thread in its entirety, agreeing here, being suitably shocked there, the thing that most stands out for me is this issue of the presentation of the site. It really, really is outdated. It truly is. It could be so much better. It may be true that some find dramatic change difficult, but for people like photographers, presentation is everything. Currently, the presentation is stale, and in my view, it really needs an overhaul. Even 1x.com, a site much newer than DPC, has gone through some pretty significant revision, just to keep it in line with what users expect out of an interactive, presentation-centric image site.
It's just something to think about, and it needn't be an all-or-nothing scenario, where a dramatic change in appearance or functionality occurs from one day to the next. But moving away from the oft-voiced nineties look to something more in line with the expectations of visual (dare I say it) artists is probably a good thing. Someone should seriously consider it. |
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12/18/2009 12:25:19 PM · #111 |
| Just don't put light text on black, 'k? Anything else to spice the place up, well have at it. Just leave text as dark on light - some combination thereof. Danke! |
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12/18/2009 12:29:35 PM · #112 |
 :-) No, I agree, of course the site should be most readable. |
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12/18/2009 12:31:22 PM · #113 |
| Seriously, though, that's one reason I don't visit the forums at 1x at all - I can't read them for more than a few minutes at a time. Even reading the comments under the pictures results in a period of time with lines floating in front of my eyes. Pics look great on black, though! |
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12/18/2009 03:53:16 PM · #114 |
Thought I'd bring up some cool things going on in the present... not all is gloom and doom!
KarenNfld's Photographer of the Week is a wonderful idea. I do wonder how many of you seriously go look to see the portfolio of the spotlighted photographer - or do you just go look to see if it is someone you know? Go look through the portfolio - take a little time. Leave a comment or two. Go back through the list (she provides a link, I believe) and take a look at those photographers you DON'T know. It's a great way to see some work you may not have seen before, or perhaps to come across one you recall from a challenge and now you get that "ah ha!" moment of linking it to a site participant.
paulbtlw has taken it upon himself to comment extensively on Free Study entries that don't quite fit the "eye candy" mode. What a delightful thing to do, and from all accounts, he seems to really enjoy this and has learned a bit along the way. As someone who has received a few of those comments, I'm very grateful for that little bit of extra time he takes to see what may have otherwise been skipped over.
K10DGuy was for a while there commenting on pictures he found by browsing newly uploaded files. He'd do five a day. (Not sure if he's still doing this or not.) This is something everyone could take a stab at. Comment on maybe 2 or 5 shots a day - choose from recently uploaded, from the middle of the pack in recent challenges, or pick a couple from an ongoing side challenge perhaps. Find a gallery that interests you (did you know DPC has galleries?) and randomly pick some shots to study and comment on.
Anyway, there are some rather good things going on now - thought I'd point out a few.
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12/18/2009 04:04:17 PM · #115 |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Just like the addition of more challenges has somewhat diluted my enthusiasm for entering, tossing in more leagues, groups, committees, etc., will honestly probably wind up diluting the focus of the site further in other ways, in my opinion. |
I can't agree that adding more photography-based leagues, groups, committees, or whatever could dilute the focus of a photography-based website. The WPL, then DPL both were loved here and huge successes. The only argument that I have really seen against them is buddy-voting, but you guys seem to have that well controlled now. Besides, 5 or 6 votes does not change the outcome of the challenge. We've established that time and again.
Originally posted by alanfreed:
So many people say they want NEW NEW NEW! And then when NEW is offered, they freak out. |
Agreed. People do tend to freak out with change, but more interest from other potential customers is also generated with change. Also, site stagnation only leads to current customers eventually losing interest. We've already seen that, haven't we? Up above there is mention that site membership is down 25% from its peak. I'd tend to lean toward the same-ol', same-ol' as the prime suspect for that.
Originally posted by alanfreed:
I don't know much about "where he sees the site in two years," but I'm sure I'll still be here because I recognize its value for me, and I know that it is what I make of it. |
I imagine that I'll be right here with you, though I would like to see some changes and an idea of where Langdon wants this site to grow. Even still, neither of those are enough to make me walk away right now. We finally got reasonably-sized challenge allowances, so that alone is enough change to keep me around for a bit longer.
Thanks, Alan, for the thoughtful post, and for not reacting to the generalized questioning of the SC. Your thoughts are very much appreciated! |
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12/18/2009 05:01:14 PM · #116 |
Originally posted by ericwoo:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by sfalice:
Shannon - are you having a rough day today? Suggestions are being made all throughout this thread that do have some merit, but you seem, in general, to want to shoot them down. It's not like you. |
No not at all, and I haven't shot down ANY suggestions in this thread. None. Some are quite good and even include a few I've championed.
I asked Yanko and Posthumous what challenge suggestions they claim are promptly ignored. It was an honest question. Yanko listed some good ones, although they weren't necessarily ignored. One was run under another name, one was more of a ruleset than a challenge topic (and I'd like to see more Minimal challenges myself), and yet another was only suggested a few weeks ago. I'm sure some of those will run and noted that about half of the recent topics have been original. I suspect Langdon might be leaning towards "safe" repeats partly because of the negative feedback that often results from some of the more unusual topics. |
SC = Infallible |
This is getting a little troublesome...there are complaints that SC don't participate in challenges and forums. That they don't listen to complains. You have SC in here who are actually ACTIVELY doing what you say they don't do...participate in forums, but every post they make, you attack them.
Simms clearly stated that SC doesn't participate...SC simply showed evidence otherwise. There are posts that SC doesn't put in new challenges...they showed otherwise. Yet no matter what they say you don't want to hear it. It's almost like people are just searching for someone to point the finger at.
If Simms wants to call out SC as not being participatory (and this is not an attack on SIMMS) he should make sure he knows that they aren't participating. If he believes he's an active participant, they have shown that they have been just as active if not more.
If people are saying that they don't post new challenges, isn't SC allowed to prove that they have been or are they supposed to accept that they haven't? I posted challenge ideas and they were picked up and used in two different weeks. I didn't get a chance to enter them, but that's not SC's fault...it's mine for not taking the photos.
Some challenges do need to repeat...and has anyone thought that those repeats come from SUGGESTIONS??? Meaning that SC is listening to our suggestions? You aren't going to get a new challenge everyday. Repeats are actually good because you enter the first time..and maybe didn't do so well...but you have a better understanding...so you enter it the next time and you can see how you've grown in that challenge. I think having some repeats are a great idea...and it also helps those who didn't get to enter. |
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12/18/2009 05:06:50 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by kandykarml:
Originally posted by kleski:
Why wait to make a change, be the change...Ask not what DPC can do for you, but what can you do for DPC! What does this site mean to you and how can you help make it better? If you are just here to get a virtual ribbon you're missing what I think the original intention was... |
Well, #1, and this is just for me... I'm not here to take on a personal quest to fix anything anymore.. Quite frankly, I find posting in the forums usually only gets me into trouble with certain members of the community who look for reasons to argue, so the only thing I have left on this site is the challenges..
NOW, I also have a full time job, a part time job a 3yr old & a 20 month old a husband and house to take care of.. I don't want to work at this.. When I have to ask myself What do I do for DPC, as to what does DPC do for me, then quite frankly, I AM DEFINATELY NOT GETTING ANYTHING FROM THIS SITE.. I came here to learn and to ENJOY MYSELF.. Not fix anything.. I don't have the energy or the time to sit around contemplating new challenge topics.. If I had time to do that, then why would I bother with this site..? I could just write that down on a piece of paper, post it on my desk and work towards getting that great shot all week.. I'm here so DPC can come up with great challenge topics.. And, clearly, I'm not here for the virtual ribbon.. Otherwise I would have given up long ago..
And, I get it.. No one can please everyone 100% of the time.. Maybe this is just a down cycle between me & DPC.. Maybe I'll start finding it interesting again, WITHOUT me having to do any of the work.. Seriously, do you walk into the grocery store and walk around while buying items asking yourself what you can do to improve the store YOU PAY to shop at.. LOL... NO, you sure as heck don't.. If someones spilled milk all over the floor, you expect someone who works there to come along and clean it up.. Why is DPC any different then any other vendor we pay money too ??? |
Actually why do you think all those retail stores, grocery stores, department stores or whatever send it's valued customers surveys on how to improve the store? They look for feedback and that helps them with their improvements. You can't espect SC to do ALL the work..because then you get complaints from everyone (like this thread started) saying that they don't listen. There is an entire forum for challenge suggestions....You don't have to rack up a whole bunch of ideas, but you can post one. If you came up with a good one, you can go to get a shot for yourself or you can compare it others and see how their ideas can bring you out of the box with stuff you didn't think about. You want to get something out of the site you have to put something in. If you don't provide any ideas to support what you want to see...then you can't complain about it. If you don't vote (political example) should you complain about who is elected? SC can't read your mind on what you want...you have to give them an idea. |
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12/18/2009 05:09:44 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
As for leagues - I think they suit the competitive types very well and were very useful in refining selection processes, learning new processing skills, getting ideas. Unfortunately, some will always think cheating is going on, but there were some steps taken to prevent that if I recall. Not sure I'd play again were it come to pass again, but maybe.
I do ask that when considering changes, that if the site's appearance gets an update, not to put forums on black. I try to read some of the other sites where they do that and I can only take about five minutes at a time before my eyes go all fuzzy. |
The cheating accusations occur no matter what..they accuse it from the league...accuse it from side challenges...accuse it from free study marathons. People just like complaining. |
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12/18/2009 05:15:35 PM · #119 |
I think we should have a monthly Potato-Sack-Race.
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12/18/2009 05:18:35 PM · #120 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by posthumous:
I've put ideas in the challenge suggestion threads. They are routinely ignored. |
You're the second person to say that, while others are saying their topics are used. Again, what was ignored? Name them. |
Shannon - are you having a rough day today? Suggestions are being made all throughout this thread that do have some merit, but you seem, in general, to want to shoot them down. It's not like you.
If you look at this Thread you will see lots of Challenge discussions. Heck, here are some of mine:
07/02/2008 11:55:51 PM
Door/portal – photograph an entrance or exit of a structure
Window – either inside looking out, or outside looking in
Grass – just, well, grass
Tree – short or tall, one or more trees
Fence – Mind your fences and photograph one or more.
Road – they come in all sizes and shapes. Make yours appealing.
Sidewalk – little ones, big ones, cracked, smooth. They all have interest. Find it.
Stone/rocks – on a mountain, in a terrarium, or in between.
Hill/mountain – make a mountain out of a molehill if you have to.
Anything Glass – anything glass works for this one.
Cup & Saucer – fancy, plain, whatever. Just make it interesting.
Telephone - So many ways to represent this little device.
One piece of furniture – anything that qualifies works in this one.
Six books – not seven, not five, six.
Running water – you choose the source.
Antenna – Ever think how hard it is to photograph one. Show us how.
psychedelic - make us all blind, photograph something in psychedelic colors
school – one room school house, university or in between
Textiles – Find a textile and photograph it
Maps – they come in all shapes and sizes. Make one look interesting |
Um...these challenges have not been ignored...many of these have actually been done.
Windows and doorss (//www.dpchallenge.com/challenge_results.php?CHALLENGE_ID=60)
Trees (Trees)
Grass - I consider this to be included in Flora
Fence - (Fences) - not 1 but 2
roads - roads
I can continue going down the list but it's getting time consuming. I actuallly think almost all of these challenges hav been done. |
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12/18/2009 05:18:45 PM · #121 |
Originally posted by littlegett:
I think we should have a monthly Potato-Sack-Race. |
Flaming-Potato-Sack-Race
or the
Naked-Potato-Sack-Race ? |
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12/18/2009 05:25:09 PM · #122 |
Okay..I maybe going off on a tangent today instead of editing photos like I should be doing.
But again, i think the low participation in challenges has to do with the number of side challenges. People don't see the challenge they want that week so they go to a side challenge. I think the side challenges should be eliminated and people will be forced or obligated to step out of their comfort zone and work for the challenges that are presented.
That's what I liked about the site the most...it gave me the practice of shooting for clients...given an idea and making it happen. Not choosing what idea I want to shoot. Lets get back to the CHALLENGE aspect of the site...stop voting on all the side challenges and work on the challenges presented.
If all those side challenges were challenge suggestions, then maybe they would come up and the whole site would be working towards them with the scores. |
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12/18/2009 05:26:39 PM · #123 |
Originally posted by ralph:
Originally posted by littlegett:
I think we should have a monthly Potato-Sack-Race. |
Flaming-Potato-Sack-Race
or the
Naked-Potato-Sack-Race ? |
I vote for a Naked without a potato sack race.
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12/18/2009 05:27:27 PM · #124 |
I think my post might have been misinterpreted as focused on one person. It was not my intention. I was merely trying to point out something very obvious about all of the complaints...If you don't contribute in a positive manner why do you expect someone else will?
For example...
One of the issues that I see every week is that people get scored low and they have no comments to let them know why. So they go to the scoring thread and talk about how they wish they could get a comment from those voters. Instead of complaining about it go out and comment on shots you scored low! I have been given plenty of low scores and how many people have given me a reason for that, not too many. But I make it a point that if I give low scores I will make a comment to let you know why I did.
My point is quit waiting for something to happen to make things better, step up and be a part of what you want to happen. Everyone's positive contributions (big or small) make a difference!
BTW, I have a button on my page that says DPL. It's been on here for at least three years. I finally read the information contained in it..."It allows for something normally very independent (DPChallenge) to become a team effort and creates camaraderie among fellow DPChallenge users. It is a fantastic way to break out of your comfort zone and meet new people on the site and in turn create friendships. It also stimulates the learning factor that the entire site is all about." Sounds like a good thing... |
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12/18/2009 05:28:57 PM · #125 |
grrr...I hope this is my last post for the next hour..I'm never going to get this models photos done...
Again here is a side challenge that may be taking people away from voting and commenting on other challenges (sorry to call this thread out and is not meant as anything bad against the people involved)
December whatever images
This challenge is already on the front page...it's called FreeStudy. Yet during voting everyone is going to complain that there aren't enough votes or comments...and that's because they are all commenting on this thread instead. |
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