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12/17/2009 10:32:04 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by IndigoButterfly:
Here's my twenty-odd cents worth... I love this site. Sadly, I'm not much of a participant because, well, my life has become significantly busier than when I initially joined, but every now and then, I try.
FOR ME, I renew every year (my secret indulgence), relishing the anticipation of what I'll discover throughout the year.
I love stumbling across a photo that moves me so much I can only stare in amazement and emotion. There are some photos, that while judging them, I can accurately guess who the photographer is. It's even more fascinating when the photographer chooses to explains their process, does an interview or reveals something that makes it even more meaningful. I'm
I love that every challenge offered up makes me see my world differently forcing me to admit that without the challenges, so much would go unnoticed.
I love that there are some fun, wild and crazy characters here. The words 'woodies', 'burn a village', 'umbrella man' and 'red head' all mean something to me, and in this global village, I think of them fondly as my oh-so-distant cousins that I hope to someday visit.
I enjoy the quirkiness of the forums, and the more serious, professional aspects as well. Every improvement to my photography can be directly linked to DPC, as it's the only online membership I have. Also, regarding forums, sure there are the rants and flame wars, but for me (a bona fide lurker), that's par for the course. The SC has done a great job, IMO.
As for the members, I get sentimental when I think of those that passed away throughout the years that I've been here. I admit to sometimes missing others that got booted (with good cause), and am unreasonably proud of those who I've watched succeed. I realize that unlike other sites, there is no central 'master of ceremonies' but that's yet another thing I love about this site.
I'm always encouraging my friends to join, because frankly, it's a bargain! What I've learned far exceeds the cost. I'm not just reminiscing about the good old days, I happen to think these days are just as splendid.
Advocating for change is good, and I'm all for it, but it does sadden me to hear that there are those who don't find a value in DPC as it is today. Adding more features may work for some but for others, it's like too many options on the camera (I end up just using a few of them). The creativity, generosity and community of DPC keeps me coming here every time. I hope that my ramblings have contributed to the discussion in some way. That said, I'm back to lurking. :)
Thank you! |
Well put, and I agree. |
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12/17/2009 10:41:27 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
One of the most common "complaints" we hear is from people who didn't get to participate in a challenge the last time it ran, so that's one reason we get repeats (another is that certain topics are especially popular or challenging). |
Well since new people sign up all the time I'd imagine you're right about the most common complaint but it doesn't serve those who stick around for a while.
As for the second part (they being popular) is that really the case? I don't see any of the challenges that have had the most entries and votes appearing on the front page very often with the exception of the free studies of course and the recently ran macro without bugs or flowers. If popularity is a strong factor here then Nude challenges should be running almost weekly but those have to be begged for.
What is lacking are challenges that challenge the seasoned DPCer/photographer. It's become pointless to suggest them since they constantly get ignored year after year.
Message edited by author 2009-12-17 22:46:40. |
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12/17/2009 10:45:26 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by yanko:
What is lacking are challenges that challenge the seasoned DPCer/photographer. Every time they are suggested they are promptly ignored by the powers that be. |
Care to back that up? |
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12/17/2009 10:47:42 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by yanko:
What is lacking are challenges that challenge the seasoned DPCer/photographer. Every time they are suggested they are promptly ignored by the powers that be. |
Care to back that up? |
Do I really need to list a bunch from the site suggestion forum? I believe I did that the last time this subject came up. |
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12/17/2009 10:50:51 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Do I really need to list a bunch from the site suggestion forum? I believe I did that the last time this subject came up. |
Yes, that would help. Langdon runs a variety of topics, including frequent new ones. So when you suggest that all all topics that might challenge a seasoned DPCer are promptly ignored, I'd like to know which concepts you're referring to. |
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12/17/2009 10:58:28 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by yanko:
Do I really need to list a bunch from the site suggestion forum? I believe I did that the last time this subject came up. |
Yes, that would help. Langdon runs a variety of topics, including frequent new ones. So when you suggest that all all topics that might challenge a seasoned DPCer are promptly ignored, I'd like to know which concepts you're referring to. |
Come on, Shannon. Clearly, Langdon is phoning in these challenges lately. Even  Melethia is frustrated by them.
This is a real simple fix. Appoint a challenge committee to pick challenges. I volunteer. |
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12/17/2009 11:02:21 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Langdon has to make a living. assuming he's a top notch programmer, he should be making around $100,000 to $125,000 per year. I know this because I run the web operations for a 10,000 employee company, and that's what I pay for good .NET programmers. |
Dang, can I work for you?? |
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12/17/2009 11:03:26 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by Simms:
lets all compete in the same thing, lets all contribute to the same discussion on the challenge for that week, lets all vote for the same challenge, lets all comment on the same images. |
sounds like hell on earth. |
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12/17/2009 11:05:36 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Langdon has to make a living. assuming he's a top notch programmer, he should be making around $100,000 to $125,000 per year. I know this because I run the web operations for a 10,000 employee company, and that's what I pay for good .NET programmers. |
Dang, can I work for you?? |
depending on where you live, those numbers are not unreasonable at all for a senior level software or computer engineer/computer scientist. |
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12/17/2009 11:05:54 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Come on, Shannon. Clearly, Langdon is phoning in these challenges lately. Even Melethia is frustrated by them.
This is a real simple fix. Appoint a challenge committee to pick challenges. I volunteer. |
I'm just asking what topics are promptly ignored. Looking at the recent challenge history, it appears that about half of the non-FS topics are new and some of the repeats are popular staples or seasonal (Landscape, Bug Macro, Halloween). What would you like to see? |
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12/17/2009 11:07:04 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by Steef:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Langdon has to make a living. assuming he's a top notch programmer, he should be making around $100,000 to $125,000 per year. I know this because I run the web operations for a 10,000 employee company, and that's what I pay for good .NET programmers. |
Dang, can I work for you?? |
depending on where you live, those numbers are not unreasonable at all for a senior level software or computer engineer/computer scientist. |
yes, but these be hard times |
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12/17/2009 11:10:23 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Come on, Shannon. Clearly, Langdon is phoning in these challenges lately. Even Melethia is frustrated by them.
This is a real simple fix. Appoint a challenge committee to pick challenges. I volunteer. |
I'm just asking what topics are promptly ignored. Looking at the recent challenge history, it appears that about half of the non-FS topics are new and some of the repeats are popular staples or seasonal (Landscape, Bug Macro, Halloween). What would you like to see? |
I've put ideas in the challenge suggestion threads. They are routinely ignored. |
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12/17/2009 11:20:50 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I've put ideas in the challenge suggestion threads. They are routinely ignored. |
You're the second person to say that, while others are saying their topics are used. Again, what was ignored? Name them. |
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12/17/2009 11:26:54 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by yanko:
Do I really need to list a bunch from the site suggestion forum? I believe I did that the last time this subject came up. |
Yes, that would help. Langdon runs a variety of topics, including frequent new ones. So when you suggest that all all topics that might challenge a seasoned DPCer are promptly ignored, I'd like to know which concepts you're referring to. |
Here are a few doing just one keyword search. If you need far more let me know.
Innovation
Zero Editing
Original Masters Emulation
One In 7 Billion
Film Noir
Masters of Photography Series
Poetry
So basically...
- more technical challenges that are beyond the basic.
- more genre/styles (there are a lot out there that you wouldn't know existed if you just lived at DPC)
- more conceptual, again beyond the basic.
- more minimal and expert editing challenges.
This past year I only saw a few challenges that I thought spoke to what I'm talking about (i.e. Three Techniques, Light on White, Action Shot, Pet Portrait and Ansel Adams). We get far too many scavenger hunts and challenges that all you have to do is swap out props in your setups and you're golden.
Message edited by author 2009-12-17 23:36:19.
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12/17/2009 11:32:19 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by posthumous:
I've put ideas in the challenge suggestion threads. They are routinely ignored. |
You're the second person to say that, while others are saying their topics are used. Again, what was ignored? Name them. |
Shannon - are you having a rough day today? Suggestions are being made all throughout this thread that do have some merit, but you seem, in general, to want to shoot them down. It's not like you.
If you look at this Thread you will see lots of Challenge discussions. Heck, here are some of mine:
07/02/2008 11:55:51 PM
Door/portal – photograph an entrance or exit of a structure
Window – either inside looking out, or outside looking in
Grass – just, well, grass
Tree – short or tall, one or more trees
Fence – Mind your fences and photograph one or more.
Road – they come in all sizes and shapes. Make yours appealing.
Sidewalk – little ones, big ones, cracked, smooth. They all have interest. Find it.
Stone/rocks – on a mountain, in a terrarium, or in between.
Hill/mountain – make a mountain out of a molehill if you have to.
Anything Glass – anything glass works for this one.
Cup & Saucer – fancy, plain, whatever. Just make it interesting.
Telephone - So many ways to represent this little device.
One piece of furniture – anything that qualifies works in this one.
Six books – not seven, not five, six.
Running water – you choose the source.
Antenna – Ever think how hard it is to photograph one. Show us how.
psychedelic - make us all blind, photograph something in psychedelic colors
school – one room school house, university or in between
Textiles – Find a textile and photograph it
Maps – they come in all shapes and sizes. Make one look interesting
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12/17/2009 11:35:29 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Shannon - are you having a rough day today? Suggestions are being made all throughout this thread that do have some merit, but you seem, in general, to want to shoot them down. It's not like you.
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Actually I find it to be just like him. I've made many comments in the past as to how he comes across in the forums.
Matt
Message edited by author 2009-12-17 23:40:41. |
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12/17/2009 11:38:41 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by posthumous:
I've put ideas in the challenge suggestion threads. They are routinely ignored. |
You're the second person to say that, while others are saying their topics are used. Again, what was ignored? Name them. |
Sorry, Lucy, I'm done with that football.
But  yanko's off to a good start. |
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12/17/2009 11:49:26 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Shannon - are you having a rough day today? Suggestions are being made all throughout this thread that do have some merit, but you seem, in general, to want to shoot them down. It's not like you. |
No not at all, and I haven't shot down ANY suggestions in this thread. None. Some are quite good and even include a few I've championed.
I asked Yanko and Posthumous what challenge suggestions they claim are promptly ignored. It was an honest question. Yanko listed some good ones, although they weren't necessarily ignored. One was run under another name, one was more of a ruleset than a challenge topic (and I'd like to see more Minimal challenges myself), and yet another was only suggested a few weeks ago. I'm sure some of those will run and noted that about half of the recent topics have been original. I suspect Langdon might be leaning towards "safe" repeats partly because of the negative feedback that often results from some of the more unusual topics. |
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12/17/2009 11:51:14 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by sfalice:
Shannon - are you having a rough day today? Suggestions are being made all throughout this thread that do have some merit, but you seem, in general, to want to shoot them down. It's not like you. |
No not at all, and I haven't shot down ANY suggestions in this thread. None. Some are quite good and even include a few I've championed.
I asked Yanko and Posthumous what challenge suggestions they claim are promptly ignored. It was an honest question. Yanko listed some good ones, although they weren't necessarily ignored. One was run under another name, one was more of a ruleset than a challenge topic (and I'd like to see more Minimal challenges myself), and yet another was only suggested a few weeks ago. I'm sure some of those will run and noted that about half of the recent topics have been original. I suspect Langdon might be leaning towards "safe" repeats partly because of the negative feedback that often results from some of the more unusual topics. |
SC = Infallible |
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12/17/2009 11:56:11 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by ericwoo:
SC = Infallible |
... and of course you would have some empirical data to support this rather broad based assumption?
Ray |
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12/17/2009 11:58:10 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by ericwoo:
SC = Infallible |
Okay, THAT one I'll shoot down:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
The directory currently lists 1963 members. Doesn't that mean that each of these people paid $25 within the last 365 days? |
Hmm... good point |
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12/18/2009 12:02:13 AM · #97 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by sfalice:
Shannon - are you having a rough day today? Suggestions are being made all throughout this thread that do have some merit, but you seem, in general, to want to shoot them down. It's not like you. |
No not at all, and I haven't shot down ANY suggestions in this thread. None. Some are quite good and even include a few I've championed.
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Okay, I will look forward to more of your positive remarks in this thread, then.
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12/18/2009 12:12:38 AM · #98 |
| Man! He even shot down Alice's suggestion that he was having a bad day! The man is a menace I tells ya! :P |
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12/18/2009 12:33:42 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Okay, I will look forward to more of your positive remarks in this thread, then. |
No thanks. I'll bow out of this particular dunk tank, as Justine and GeneralE probably already have. |
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12/18/2009 12:55:17 AM · #100 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by sfalice:
Okay, I will look forward to more of your positive remarks in this thread, then. |
No thanks. I'll bow out of this particular dunk tank, as Justine and GeneralE probably already have. |
So you're saying your remark tank is positively empty?
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