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12/02/2009 06:59:21 AM · #1
I know this isn't to everyone's taste but 11 votes of 2 just seems kind of harsh. I was just wondering why. Too dark? Wrong composition?

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12/02/2009 07:05:11 AM · #2
I thought it was great and gave it one of a small handful of 9s. I thought the darkness of it suited the subject. Eleven 2s? Who knows. Trolls i guess.
12/02/2009 07:09:37 AM · #3
I dunno, I gave it a 6. I really liked the message of despair you were trying to convey. The sky is great and seemingly rotten, windowless church done in b&w sets quite the mood. There was a bit too much blackness at the bottom for my taste to rate it higher though.
12/02/2009 07:10:13 AM · #4
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

I thought it was great and gave it one of a small handful of 9s. I thought the darkness of it suited the subject. Eleven 2s? Who knows. Trolls i guess.


Thanks Clive...I usually don't even ask but sometimes I just don't get it! LOL
12/02/2009 07:12:33 AM · #5
Fifty-one 6's though...

Anyway, about the only thing I can think of would be to have a wider view, showing the church isolated and alone against the desolate sky and landscape. The figure def adds to the mood in a good way.
12/02/2009 07:18:02 AM · #6
There will always be 2's and 1's (as well as 10'2 and 9's). I heard something about making a surprise for the troll voters so they won't be able to leave a sub 4 score without commenting or something like that. that would be nice!
12/02/2009 07:21:40 AM · #7
I didn't vote on the challenge (I have to start getting better at that again...)

it's a very interesting idea, and it is a tad dark. But I'm wondering if it's just the warped perspective. Although looking at it, I can't tell if the perspective is warped, of if that side of the building is just leaning that much. But it just appears that it's a very wide angle with a skewed perspective that's visually uncomfortable. (I would have probably given it a 6)
12/02/2009 07:23:19 AM · #8
I found that this challenge had a high number of low score givers.

I gave this shot a 6

dunno why would anyone would give it a 2

heck I don't know why I had 18 3s on my shot. I did notice that my participant ratio was half a point lower on the average. Maybe some tactical trolling was going on, who knows

Your shot wasn't a 2 though.
12/02/2009 07:28:24 AM · #9
Thanks everyone.
12/02/2009 08:56:51 AM · #10
Strange score breakdown. Too dark, but not 2 dark. Don't know...
12/02/2009 09:03:37 AM · #11
left a comment :)
12/02/2009 09:11:07 AM · #12
Can't ever figure it out myself either. It's certainly not a 2 in my book. To me, a 2 is worse than the average snapshot taken by a non-photographer. Others use the scale differently is the only thing I can suggest.
12/02/2009 09:18:28 AM · #13
I'll come back and look at it a bit later on my calibrated monitor. But on this monitor it seems a bit dark. I'd bet the histogram is pretty far to the left with not much in the center and maybe a small spike to the right. Also seems to lack a bit of contrast. The warped perspective of the building is also a bit odd looking as well.

Matt
12/02/2009 09:20:56 AM · #14
I think it's a great image. It's hard to explain the 2's but keep in mind when you enter a Basic Open Challenges it's kinda like swimming in public pool as opposed to a posher setting at a nice country club. It's louder, noisier..not quite as clean and you have to put up with a little more riff raff...but it's free.

;)
12/02/2009 09:59:50 AM · #15
Originally posted by bvy:

Strange score breakdown. Too dark, but not 2 dark. Don't know...


I've taken a closer look, and I'm not sure it's even too dark. Certainly low key and somber, appropriate to the subject matter at hand. Some brighter highlights in the sky might have provided better balance, but overall a worthy, somwhat off-the-beaten path offering.

The fact that the two's fall off of the bell curve make me think they're an anomaly anyway.
12/02/2009 10:07:52 AM · #16
Originally posted by bvy:

Originally posted by bvy:

Strange score breakdown. Too dark, but not 2 dark. Don't know...


I've taken a closer look, and I'm not sure it's even too dark. Certainly low key and somber, appropriate to the subject matter at hand. Some brighter highlights in the sky might have provided better balance, but overall a worthy, somwhat off-the-beaten path offering.

The fact that the two's fall off of the bell curve make me think they're an anomaly anyway.


Saying that that image is too dark is as foolish as someone telling me a Times Square image is too cluttered or busy..."too many distractions". It's really mind boggling...
12/02/2009 10:26:16 AM · #17
People vote on a 5 second to look at basis.. maybe people saw grain in the sky and instantly hit two, maybe people saw the lack of details on the grass and background and interpreted it as a lack of technicals rather than a purposeful attempt at creating the mood and hit two.. or some poor souls couldn't see a thing with their monitors. A crispier, dpcier version of this would have taken it to the top 5 that I'm sure of.. people just appreciate instant eye candy heck of a lot more than subtler ones
12/02/2009 10:29:39 AM · #18
Its very flat. The darkness is fine I guess, but overall, its got no pop. The silohuette doesn't really do anything for me either, it looks like a cardboard cut out of a person standing there. The skewed angle isn't really helping much either, it makes it crookedish (unless the building was indeed crooked).

Not a 2, but I would go between a 4-6, closer to the 4 end.
12/02/2009 10:37:57 AM · #19
The siding on the chapel doesn't look sharp. People wanna see sharp when they see clapboards. These clapboards look like they are about-to-melt wax or something. I bet that's a lot of it, but I could be wrong; basically just dingy processing, no clarity to it, and DPC overvalues clarity and crispness. I found the processing appropriate to the image, and gave it a 6 myself it didn't thrill me but I thought it was interesting and showed some reach re: the topic. 6 from me is a good score.

R.

Message edited by author 2009-12-02 10:40:10.
12/02/2009 10:48:52 AM · #20
I am a new voter to DPC, but I will admit that I gave this a 3. I agree that if we, as voters, vote 4 or below, we should be required to comment. I apologize for not doing so. I, myself have not yet submitted anything to a challenge, and I would like to take myself out of the "Troll" category, so here are my comments. Sorry they are a bit late.

The reason I scored you with a 3 are: I felt that for a photo that seemed to want to capture SOMETHING, it lacked much depth. It seemed like it was missing something; something big. I did feel that it was a bit too dark, and though I know that people use the darkness for a purpose, it ended up taking something away. Whether it was detail or just a general feeling, I can not say. The focus, also, seemed a bit strange to me. All of these things together, in my eyes, made this photo a 3. Remember though, that one person's 3 is another person's 8. We all see and feel a photo differently.

I promise to begin to comment on photos I rate under a 5. I can see why you were upset.
12/02/2009 10:50:59 AM · #21
Thanks for all the comments and honesty. It just made me a little grumpy seeing all those 2 votes. :P

Message edited by author 2009-12-02 10:52:07.
12/02/2009 10:53:36 AM · #22
I like the shot and would've given it a starting 6. I like the originality and toning. I see enough detail in the lower part of the shot and the only section without detail is the human silhouette, which is perfectly fine. Put together that the whole challenge was pretty much low scoring and your shot is Low Key, which is usually tricky because of how people have their monitors calibrated or not calibrated to see the spectrum of shadows. Squint your eyes and I can bet some folks who voted on the low end saw the shot like that but without squinting. Also like Bear mentioned, my only nitpick is it feels like too much noise reduction was applied to the building. The grain in the sky is not a bother as it less noise like and more grain and fits the moood of the shot. Well not everyone might agree on that too though ;)

Message edited by author 2009-12-02 11:02:24.
12/02/2009 10:59:19 AM · #23
I thought it was terrific and ghave it an 8. It conveys the perfect mood for its title, and the processing is spot on IMO.
12/02/2009 11:00:02 AM · #24
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12/02/2009 11:10:01 AM · #25
Originally posted by AimeeMarie:

The reason I scored you with a 3 are: I felt that for a photo that seemed to want to capture SOMETHING, it lacked much depth. It seemed like it was missing something; something big


Ah, considering the challenge, and the title of the photograph, that was one of the reasons i think of it so highly. :)
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