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11/21/2009 10:35:04 PM · #1
Not so much a web site suggestion, but an observation that might be addressed at some future point in time. I switched to Mac for personal stuff about a year ago, and Safari is my regular browser. I don't want to switch to Firefox. Since coming back to the site, I've noticed that, unlike in all other browsers, including Firefox and Explorer, Safari displays the site in excess of 100% of the window frame, so that the site scrolls horizontally, with a horizontal scroll bar. The site size is about 25 pixels or so larger than the window frame size.

In addition to being a cosmetic anomaly, this becomes an issue when I use my fancy new Magic Mouse. When scrolling, the mouse acts kind of like a trackpad, and can scroll in all directions, so that it's easy to move the site contents around in the window frame in an annoying manner, i.e., about 25 pixels on the left are regularly cut off from view, and one has to scroll around to position properly in the site.

I was also surprised to learn the site still uses tables for layout. Holy cow! I viewed the source to see if anything was obvious, and it could be all the 100% table widths being used together with some peculiarity of Safari. If there's a site design in DPC's future, I humbly recommend to the developers and designers to seriously consider using only <div> for layout, as is the standard now.

Anyway, as stated, not a suggestion so much as an observation, and I was wondering if anyone else notices/cares about this.
11/21/2009 10:46:33 PM · #2
Hmm....interesting...I just purchased a new iMac for my wife and it has the magic mouse. She has some vision problems so had to lower the res to get the screen to a comfortable viewing solution as well as adjust the mouse for proper scrolling. Before or after - as in out of the box or after customization - we did not have this problem/situation. DPC using Safari on her system looks just like it does on mine using Firefox as far as format.

Adjust the window size? I just tried it on her system and then again on mine (both Macs but at different screen resolutions and sizes) and both work/displayed fine with no scroll bars.

Message edited by author 2009-11-21 22:52:24.
11/21/2009 11:04:52 PM · #3
Same here- no horizontal scrolling even if I switch to a 17" monitor resolution unless I increase the font size above "normal."
11/21/2009 11:11:39 PM · #4
no scrolling here either

os 10.6.2 safari 4.0.4:

iMac 27.5" wired mighty mouse
iMac 20" wired mighty mouse
MacBookPro 15" trackpad

os 10.5.8 safari 4.0.4
iBook 12" mighty mouse

Message edited by author 2009-11-21 23:31:03.
11/22/2009 01:56:57 AM · #5
No scrolling here either. I use Safari on both my Mac Pro and Mac Air without any problems.
11/22/2009 02:02:10 AM · #6
I use Safari on my PC and love it.
11/22/2009 01:19:46 PM · #7
Damn. What's going on, I wonder. My Safari isn't special. I think. :) Maybe I'm special.

Here's a screenshot of this page showing that interminable scrollbar, which I see everywhere on DPC. Resizing doesn't change it. The site is always larger than the window frame.


11/22/2009 01:43:52 PM · #8
Originally posted by Louis:

Damn. What's going on, I wonder. My Safari isn't special. I think. :) Maybe I'm special.

Here's a screenshot of this page showing that interminable scrollbar, which I see everywhere on DPC. Resizing doesn't change it. The site is always larger than the window frame.



Boom! I can confirm the symptom (on all computers I listed in my original post here). Why it appears now and not before is a mystery to me. Stop hacking my network, Louis! :)

Message edited by author 2009-11-22 13:44:32.
11/22/2009 03:25:13 PM · #9
Yes, it's weird. Happens for me on Safari too on OSX.

Fine in Firefox, fine in Chrome.

ETA: Actually, the horizontal scrollbar only appears on pages where the vertical scrollbar appears. It's as if it's adjusting for the 25 pixels which the vertical scrollbar takes up.

Message edited by author 2009-11-22 15:27:51.
11/22/2009 07:40:34 PM · #10
Originally posted by JH:

Yes, it's weird. Happens for me on Safari too on OSX.

Fine in Firefox, fine in Chrome.

ETA: Actually, the horizontal scrollbar only appears on pages where the vertical scrollbar appears. It's as if it's adjusting for the 25 pixels which the vertical scrollbar takes up.

Absolutely right! Thanks for noticing this. Doesn't happen on pages that don't extend beyond the lower portion of the window frame (ie not on pages that don't also scroll vertically). Still a Safari on OSX thing only.
11/22/2009 08:54:01 PM · #11
copy that! horz scroll on this site only?
11/22/2009 08:55:31 PM · #12
Originally posted by blad:

copy that! horz scroll on this site only?

...on pages with vert scroll, and not appearing in any other browser but Safari, yep.
11/22/2009 10:18:58 PM · #13
Ever so slight here, too.
Snow Leopard...15" Macbook pro
11/22/2009 11:06:38 PM · #14
It happens here too on a G5 with OSX v 10.5.8 and Safari. It's not a big problem for me, I never thought anything about it.
11/22/2009 11:22:52 PM · #15
pull the corner so that the window fills the screen and if that doesn't work take the batteries out for a min or so and then turn the mouse off and back on, if wired unplug, shut down and restart
11/23/2009 12:16:08 AM · #16
Originally posted by sonyalphausr:

pull the corner... and if that doesn't work take the batteries out for a min or so... shut down and restart


lol
11/23/2009 12:34:24 AM · #17
Now mine is doing it, too. Weird— I definitely didn't have that problem with Safari yesterday.

Message edited by author 2009-11-23 00:34:33.
11/23/2009 12:37:16 AM · #18
Originally posted by scalvert:

Now mine is doing it, too. Weird— I definitely didn't have that problem with Safari yesterday.

Soon my plan will come to fruition....
11/23/2009 12:38:53 AM · #19
I have not seen it before. It wasn't there yesterday when I checked, but lo and behold, this morning it is very much in evidence.
11/23/2009 01:01:58 AM · #20
Oh No! Our Macs have the "Scroll Bar Virus" LOL.
11/24/2009 12:50:13 AM · #21
Try pressing CMD+0 (zero) this will zoom the window to 100%. If that doesn't work, I am not sure what to say.

EDIT: I'm on a macbook, and I can see the whole screen on my [relatively] tiny (13in) screen.


Message edited by author 2009-11-24 00:56:16.
11/24/2009 12:54:54 AM · #22
The only place I use safari is on my ipod touch and I don't really care for it much. It works alright but it is lacking.
11/24/2009 12:59:07 AM · #23
And of course right after I posted my last post, I have that scroll bar. I am really not sure what to say now. It wasn't there right before I posted... I even have the screen shot to prove it.
11/24/2009 01:00:16 AM · #24
Originally posted by ssturges:

Try pressing CMD+0 (zero) this will zoom the window to 100%. If that doesn't work, I am not sure what to say.

EDIT: I'm on a macbook, and I can see the whole screen on my [relatively] tiny (13in) screen.

The horizontal scrollbar appears when there is also a vertical scrollbar. Your cap is of a page that isn't scrolled vertically, so that doesn't show it. Try it with a long page, like this one.

Incidentally, zooming either out or in has no effect. Even zoomed out completely so that the view is the smallest it can be, the site extends beyond the window frame, and the horizontal scroll bar shows up. But, as stated a few times, ONLY on pages that also scroll vertically, i.e., long pages.
11/24/2009 01:03:43 AM · #25
This thread is a virus created by Windows 7 to get even with Apple for those Mac vs PC commercials.

Originally posted by ssturges:

And of course right after I posted my last post, I have that scroll bar. I am really not sure what to say now. It wasn't there right before I posted... I even have the screen shot to prove it.
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